AEW Full Gear Review: Swerve's HUGE Return, New Champ

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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_02]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only way to cry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sunday morning, episode 402, a top room nation here to talk AEW full gear, all the big news coming out of Newark, New Jersey last night, most notably the surprise return of Swarve, Strickland, and we got plenty and we had a new champion, obviously some Moa Joe gonna talk all of that, just enjoy it and how you doing this morning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody watching the video can see I have a new temporary background and that is because the wife is out of town.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I took my boys to my dad's house.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I have the house all to myself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if coming out of the show, the question was, who's house?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's my house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like a totally different location, but he's still there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still in his headquarters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, how are you doing this morning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That first sip of coffee that we all took, that was my first sip of the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was heavily ADHD last night, so I apologize in advance because I was honestly more worried about getting people into our discord than I was about full gear at times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was odd because I was like doing so many things at the same time trying to invite people, trying to keep up the tabs on the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The discord is going very well, though, you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you'd like to get on the discord, I'm going to put something on the screen right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hold on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I made this correctly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got so many windows open again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, look at the top right of the screen right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you can get in our discord if you're on the video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So head on over to toprovenation.com slash discord and that will put you through and join up at a good group of people are we just started less than 48 hours ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's 40 some people in it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So going pretty well so far and yeah, lively bunch last night talking AEW full gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll start out with our grades.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll throw it to Justin first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A through F. What did you think of full gear last night?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean an incredibly eventful show, legit for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Damn, you're almost six matches that would be hovering around that four star range.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there was necessarily a match of the year candidate, which I know the three of us kind of like to use that as a parameter for getting into that a range.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, to have six matches in the four star range with all the news coming out of the show, all the title changes, it feels like an incredibly significant show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't go any lower than

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[SPEAKER_00]: okay, so I have to be contrarian to one of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be the one of us is going to be the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I go with what I thought about last night or do I change it just because In spite of all of the nitpicking that I'm probably going to make at some point in time, I'm going to go a minus two and the reasoning being was exactly what Justin said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think if you were to reorder some of this match card, I probably would have thrown this at an A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be honest in spite of the fact there was a couple of things I did not like but I can't completely poop who this show was a whole for a couple little things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so if our patrons have listened to it yet, I did the VR show last night and the audio dropped for a patrons last night at, I don't know, 1230 central, something like that, TRA and extras, some of you have maybe already heard my thoughts on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had so much running through my mind, that was like, you know, I'm gonna jump on the show with the guys this morning because, you know, sometimes if I do the BR show, I don't do the next day because I'm kind of doubling up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But today I wanted to, because this is a pretty note worthy show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I gave it a B plus on the show last night on BR.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was mostly due to the match layout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like there were some walls from the crowd that I thought that they could fix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm right there with you guys like B plus A minus kind of on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, the match layout, there was two different stretches in the show where I was kind of stunned that they lighted out that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say it here for the main few listeners, you know, the two blood baths back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of shocked that Tony would lay him out that way, you know, because it kind of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you get Riley moxley just bathed in blood like I said and then you follow that up with fletcher and brisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got those two back to back and then the crowd was really gasped and even you know for that six man with the bucks and Alexander gets Omega and Jurassic Express.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're pretty quiet and you know this is a Kenny Omega match isn't work that much anymore and he was working hard I thought Kenny was looked really good out there before the injury angle at least he was moving around really quickly kind of look like the old Kenny Omega and then his selling was outstanding in that match but the crowd really was with him and then you got to statlaner Mercedes and the crowd was really that really really dead for that match huge match and the story of that match was that statlaner had supposedly injured her arm

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like they did that right after they did the Kenny Omega, like almost match-long injury with his foot where he jumped to the outside and that kind of you twisted his leg and he was selling that throughout the whole leg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those two matches were somewhat similar and one of the top people on the six man and then obviously the champion and stat later they're both doing like injury angles throughout the whole match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was kind of odd that those were laid out together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely shed one or two matches between the brisco-fletcher match and O'Reilly Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That took away from it a little bit for me because we were even in the discord talking about the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these AW shows are always really long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not really an excuse to be out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And most of these crowds, we go these four and a half hour paper views there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're jacked throughout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was definitely a law in Newark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I certainly on our Twitter page, I attacked, I attacked the crowd in Newark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And see, you got to do better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we're done with the, this is the third paper view in Newark, New Jersey.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to, sorry, uh, we're going to, I mean, we'll always have, you know, beaten us over the head about the, the length of a W shows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not the length.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's how late they go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just the difference here in the central zone, if it had ended at 1030 instead of 1130, it doesn't seem like much to a lot of people, but it is to us old dads.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That makes it pretty huge difference getting the bed at 11 or getting the bed at midnight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's people talking about our group last night that, you know, they are in the routine of watching the last three matches in the morning, Jesse mentioned that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd prefer to do that if I wasn't watching the, they're doing the BR stuff immediately afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the better way to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when they start in the afternoon, it's much better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony did mention this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It came up in the, in the press scrum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that he probably wouldn't do a very late Sunday night show again on the East Coast at least, because they've done this where on the Sunday paper views are school the next day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They run past midnight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is a Saturday show they ran past midnight, but he also said which I thought was interesting that their paper views are contracted to go at least three hours and 45 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have to be that long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that that came out in the scrum last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that he said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had so much caffeine throughout the day yesterday because I mentally was preparing to possibly host this morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I need to be really on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the time, I think the Omega match came on, I go, oh man, I'm like, what do I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: eat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I eat, I might fall asleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was literally just sipping water, just trying to concentrate, and then with everything else that was going on, it just became a little bit difficult, like just nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the old dad and me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot job wise, I hope it for in the morning, like three days a week, and this just completely throws me off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Much respect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it is easy now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just wish that, I mean, just for, for my son's purposes, that I would could actually get up a little bit later and work, but fortunately, I can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of that, we didn't even do what's in the glass this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you show off that beautiful mug you got, just let me maximize the screen here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really good light roast coffee from Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, you got anything?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My old go blue mug.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Michigan was my grandma's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Starbucks, Verona, one of their dark roasts that normally I don't spend the money on Starbucks, but it was on sale.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So put the heck, treat myself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to an espresso.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of their boosted ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's pretty good extra caffeine this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I got it in my

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used this almost every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about breaking out my e-dino hornets coffee mug that was given to me from a client because they won their first stay football championship in 47 years on Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was at the game too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a US bank?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: still not been there some day some day beautiful beautiful stadium that whenever the Chicago bears get their new stadium bill that should be the model that is one of the coolest looking stadiums out there for sure one important thing before you get started shot out those two new

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, as far as headed next, we got two new patrons already from the discord and wanted to shot them out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate that and then Eric Napier who I believe is a Minnesota Jesse you said that is correct met him at the dynamite in November of 23 very nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish it would have won in a landslide vote, but that was not the case, but I'm happy it won nonetheless.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is incredibly, incredibly important show for me that probably played a major part me being a lifelong professional wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have a vote for Patrons every month to determine our classic show and Justin was really, really pulling for that one at once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be going back to November 1991 here in the next couple of weeks and getting that out for a Patrons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse's got T-R-N unplugged drop in every single week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I mentioned, T-R-N extra went up last night for Patrons, which was my immediate thoughts on full gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk about our thoughts now that it's had a chance to marinate a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got Swerve Strickland coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This dude was absolutely jacked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked like Hunter in the garden back in 2000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He walked out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New theme song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, should mention, of course, you know, he came out the conclusion of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, hangman page lost the title to Samoa Joe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a kind of an odd match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They bled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was only 14 minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there was interference spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Course from the ops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we thought maybe if you thought Swar was coming back, you might have thought he's going to come out and save him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he retains the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was the title change after the muscle buster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that was, that was the finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't that most of the Worcester?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, there's this beat down spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hook comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hook joint is with the ops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, the lights go out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the presentation of this was so cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So up, it was like his house on flames.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you're thinking in your mind, oh my God, is he gonna turn on hangman?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because you're the reminding you about the house going up in flames, and then non-aus out there, and it's a totally new theme song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you're wondering, is he healed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The change in the whole presentation, and he slowly makes his way to the ring, and they kind of sell with the camera work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a great shot of Hangman laying on the mat, close up, right in front of you with this bloody face, and then sort of getting in the ring on the opposite side, and he's staring him down, and you think, oh, maybe he's going to attack Hangman too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then he ends up attacking the ops and he just fights off everybody and Jo ends up walking up the ramp with the belt looking stunned, of course, and Hangman and Swarver standing there in the ring next to each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Assuming we ready to team up against the ops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean a lot to discuss here, the return of Swarve, Hangman dropping the title, which we've actually said this on the show for a couple of weeks if you guys have been listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I brought it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to give Jay credit because I think he put this in my mind initially that you know maybe they do move the title to Joe and it's a short title run because they have been kind of light at the top of the card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe to shake things up a little bit, you know, bring your interest in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we told you this could happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think almost anybody thought this title would change hands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, the fightful select report last night said that they had been told that hangman page almost certainly was going to retain the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyone reading Fightful Select was probably shocked too, but, you know, we, we said this might be a possibility and it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, I, I threw a lot out there, thoughts in general on the main event, swars return, the floor is yours.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, talking about our grades for this show, if you would ask me,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Last night, immediately after the show, I probably would have given it a lower grade just because I was pretty down on Samoa Joe winning and that's coming from someone who loves Samoa Joe and it's mostly just because

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, last spring, we would often talk about, you know, who should to throw in mocks for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that would eventually lead into a discussion about, like, plotting out the next couple years of who would be your A.E.W.

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[SPEAKER_03]: world champions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the name that never came up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: was Samoa Joe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so in my mind, it was just like, man, they just have so many other guys, I would have rather seen with the world title than, you know, two time A, W, World Champion Samoa Joe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a little weird to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, the more I thought about it, you know, you're 100% right that I think the main event seen needed to be shaken up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, not necessarily because Hangman's reign is stale.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But to your point, we've brought this up before is that they just didn't have a whole lot form in the ways of opponents after he won.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't mind that regards.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do hope it is a short rain for Joe, but you know, it's the main thing with these paper views is, does it make you want a tune in for the next show?

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[SPEAKER_03]: In this 100% made me want a tune in to dynamite on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wearing my t-shirt in support of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big joe guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like Justin though last night very disappointed way more disappointed in I'll use this this is the only reference I'm going to use that other promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This would be like JD McDonough coming into the ring, clocking CM Punk and giving Dominic Mysterio his first world championship win with hook turning and joining the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just that bad for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely despised it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has the definition of expo-heat in terms of like just get off of my television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Taz Mark, but your kid,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just hasn't done anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't grown in the last five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in terms of the main event scene, it does make sense because this is a very heel-devoided top of the card in spite of the fact that there were a couple of results last night that you could have thrown a couple of

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[SPEAKER_00]: and kept this rain going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally would much rather have hang man go until AEW Revolution myself, but heavily distracted by a child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with the AEW Revolution, again, coming around the corner in the next five months, I think there were still some notable challenges that you could have thrown his way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think from a television perspective, this is a solid way to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear my youngest make her appear on the podcast, right there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Little hi, yeah, that's my youngest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's never been on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I 100% agree with you on hook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's a guy I saw this on extra last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's someone that needs to go to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he could really benefit from that system over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, he's one that you should throw in NXT right away and get those reps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if he's gonna

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[SPEAKER_01]: stay the course, which I'm sure he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the direction for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was kind of exciting when he started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been interested in anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been doing for three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, for him and that spot, I agree with the Jesse that was not the greatest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not the greatest of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't work in these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of, there's still a decent chunk of AW performers that that work in these and get better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like look at Megan Bane for example, that woman's traveling the world each week to get better and it's showing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why aren't more of these talents doing this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's one in particular who's looking to be a free agent the next couple of months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's only done one, one tour of Japan and that's it over the course of five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: become much that that person has grown since then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just for that little minimal snap shot and then it's just

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[SPEAKER_01]: out the window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell my energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and when she went over there, you noticed the difference immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why would you keep doing it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah, I think to Justin's point, the one thing that we have been talking about on our text threads, just us, but also on the shows, is that AWS has been putting on fantastic wrestling, but the storyline, reason to tune in, maybe has been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've given them, you know, a bit of a pass

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I've been, well, I'll be totally, honestly, I've been watching Dynamite sometimes 48, 72 hours later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not an immediate thing and I slowly kind of work my way through it throughout the rest of the week, part of the reason for that is I'm doing the Bears podcast on Wednesday nights too, so it's on at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I haven't felt like the draw till that really pulling me to tune it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know when I watch, it's going to be a really good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there hasn't been something really pulling me that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now to Justin's point, there is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really interested on what's going to happen with Swerve in the title picture, you know, and everything happening here on Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jesse's screen just went out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Swerve's going to make an appearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His camera just went black.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, he's coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just took over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what did you guys think of the new presentation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I you know, swirf is one of those guys with the iconic themes on with the dance and everything But I really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that theme is awesome and I like the freshening up of his presentation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You too, Justin

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's essentially the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They kept the important part, you know, the call and response.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but yeah, I dug it for what little of it I heard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely a big fan of the presentation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been offered three months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was forbidden door was his last appearance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was, yeah, I was under the impression it might not be to world's end, so actually it is definitely a needed shot in the arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get back to our world champion and give him the kudos for wrestling a match with a ginormous gash right in the center of his forehead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that thing looked deep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you recall this Jesse, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: months and months, maybe even like a year ago, I think in our text message thread, I just happen to ask like, Joe ever bled, like it just seems like you never see him get bloody in matches and boy, he really made up for that comment, because I think they're changing the name of the mood of scale to the Joe scale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe, are you out there listening?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you want to prove Justin wrong?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could believe, I could bleed watch this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was, it was to the point that it was actually kind of, you know, I think more than you guys, I'm a pro-the-goer in violence and professional wrestling, but it was even pretty distracting to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, that's a match I'm going to have to re-watch to really get a feel for it, because it was just, I was kind of grossed out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, man, if Phil Schneider puts on another wave of the blade book, I have the books going to be the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, although, you know what, speaking of which God, who was it of some, I think it was tape, tape machines on Blue Skyd mentioned that, you know, one of his favorite shows of all time was StarCade 85, which was a pretty bloody show with multiple matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it did kind of feels like a spiritual successor to that, which is not a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at great American bash 86, we covered in July and all the bleeding that took place in that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, and it felt warranted, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't feel like just blood for blood sake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like every match that it appeared in, it made sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause these are, you know, brutal feuds that are going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was especially like, I might be more pro than other people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably my second favorite match on the card was mocks in Kyle O'Reilly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was just fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else in the main event because I'm going to ask you as a question is probably going to turn our conversation a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just heavily interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what was your match of the night?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we might differ on this just in your match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just said your second favorite.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my second favorite would be Mox and Kyle O'Reilly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My third would be Fletcher in Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And number one is the tag match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you guys know I'm a sucker for tag team wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think it's even a question that FTR is the best tag team in the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they've sent me into themselves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the best tag teams ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It hurt me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: to watch that because I'm such a brodito fan, but the match was absolutely incredible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little worried that the only reason for the title change is to get the tag titles on Copen Christian in the year of our Lord 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that's the greatest of ideas considering some of the other awesome tag teams, but yeah, tag team match was it for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's one of those Tony Con, you know, wrestling nerd like all of us kind of things once Edgen Christian on his lineage of tag team titles, you know, I think he's not a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, sort of smiling when you're talking about FTR, you'll enjoy this Justin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my oldest child, every time she comes in the room and FTR is on the TV, almost every time without a beat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She looks at the TV and she says, Justin really likes them, almost every time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the, I think it was the Wrestle Dream sale on AWS.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I bought three shirts, Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brody Dough and FTR yeah, I might be buying something tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see because they got this 25% off going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a top rope nation sale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a big time sale might even do a Patreon bonus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if I can do a sale on our Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get a few people to sign up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, Jesse, you're matched with the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's two matches I want to go back and watch because they would definitely be up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Briscoe Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I devalued it a little more in the moment because it followed O'Reilly and Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, stat lander in Mercedes, I definitely need to go back and watch that cause the crowd took me out of it and how quiet that it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will eliminate those two for now from this discussion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pack and Darby Allen tugged at my effing heartstrings so much like that is the wrestling that I love So I'm putting that at one B because the tag match rule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is I can't dispute that those four are so good My only concern now with bro Dito and it's it's half concern half joyous occasion

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[SPEAKER_00]: is both of those guys get thrown into the C2 and this thing is the greatest C2 was so far in the last three years, because I want them to stay together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My match tonight for sure is the tag team match 2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Loved every second of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had me biting on all those near falls at the bandito was terrific in the near falls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you know, Brody obviously the hard hitting stuff was outstanding throughout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was my match and then I'm looking

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[SPEAKER_01]: Briscofeature is the top one as of now, but it's got like a 9.12 and then the tag is a 8.8 one, so it's pretty, it's pretty close, but yeah, that would be my number one, no question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew when the show went off the air last night that was my number one, I'd probably go briscofeature next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I liked the women's match to the crowd definitely heard it for me a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to rewatch some of this before I put our star ratings on Patreon, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that that was a really good one too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was some question going into the women's match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would win?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought all the long-statt lander would win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when she came out and they had her coming out of a crash spacecraft, I thought immediately, there's no way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can't do that and have her lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that was the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jessie, you've been taught.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my defense discord again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, you've been talking about how you thought this might begin her kind of slow slide starting to lose some of these belts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but obviously you think probably the right decision they're Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do absolutely I think there was there's a couple of people that were pretty confused about about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wondering if Mercedes was actually going to win this and continue the streak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I know I think this is the start of the downfall for her right decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This really summons Chris that lander as your your it woman right now and rightfully so I mean this match was fantastic as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, it's one of those where maybe in the empty arena crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that might have been like ding near match of the night like back in covid covid days, but yeah, because they did minimal until Mercedes hit the amount of suplexes that she has for championship belts 14 pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll be interesting to see who they transition to feud, you know, with these two moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you got like Willow and Athena out there is obvious, you know, answers where you could have maybe Willow defeat Mercedes down the line, and maybe maybe it's Athena against

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's another reason to tune in though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know where they're headed in the women's division, but they got some exciting names out there that are coming up the cards.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's exactly the reason why you know this was the right result because it's more interesting than the alternative than Mercedes just having another belt that does just wouldn't mean as much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This really I agree with Jesse this immense stat lander a lot stronger as your

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, some thoughts on, did we lose Jesse here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get him back, his camera's bugging out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some thoughts on Kyle O'Reilly and that moxley match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So moxley is going through this period right now where he's losing more than he has in quite some time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kyla Riley's a guy who we've always been fans of as far as like he's a really great technician in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always liked him for a personal reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one diabetic like I am and I think it's awesome that he's able to wrestle, you know, with type one diabetes, manages, blood sugars and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've always kind of had a saucepot for Kylo Riley, but there's no question that he hasn't been, like a serious figure on AEW TV for the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been doing some of the comedy stuff, where he does these facial reactions backstage, kind of off to the side based on what everyone else is saying, and not really him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're trying to build him back up as a serious threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, beat John Moxley in this, no hold,

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[SPEAKER_01]: really really bloody match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, some people were questioning that, like, oh, Kyle Riley's a comedy figure now, but, no, I think, you know, you got to have him win this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He beat Moxley a few weeks ago, about a month ago, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to really put him over as a threat moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to have him win this match if you're going to start building him back up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is somebody that you could recover and make him a serious threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think Justin?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's always been a believable ass kicker when it comes to in-ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the maybe lack of crowd response last night is just because to your point he's either been injured or a midcard goofball for a long time and that's going to that's going to take a lot longer than just a few weeks to remedy, but I certainly think they can in there is a history of him getting to the or at least close to the main event scene of everywhere he's gone, you know, it's like he got to the top of ring of honor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was right when he was, you know, leaving to go to NXT and he was a big deal in NXT.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just he was probably overshadowed by Adam Cole a bit there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They can do something with him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to take a little bit more time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, your thoughts on, we got Jesse back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts on Pile Riley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be the biggest fan of O'Reilly in this group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quite possibly, because like Justin said, I've seen it on internet lore everywhere, where a couple of people I really trusted said that like 2014, 2015, he was the best North American wrestler in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, North American wrestler, he was just that good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he has charisma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when he plays that arrogance hard,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can cut a promo too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can get invested in this guy pretty quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you watch him in the ring, and he's trained in jujitsu and MMA, like the guy can work as a perfect style for AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm impressed by the fact that John Moxie's like, I want to put this guy over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's up to Tony Khan to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where you go with the guy like this, if I recall hearing this, is that Tony Khan said that he's not

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[SPEAKER_00]: medically cleared to work the C2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what does that mean for Kyle the Riley moving forward?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did hear that I did see that headline that he was probably not going to be medically cleared.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But wait, who?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Kyle Riley won't be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in story terms, Kyle Riley, yes, he's not medically cleared to work the C2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said then the press brought last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, this is two is shaping up to be a hell of a tournament though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My god.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I'm not that interested in the callous family, but when they did that backstage segment with no Fletcher and Ocata and Keesta and all three are going to be in the C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I love the C2.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wish they gave it at one week to breathe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of starting it this Wednesday, use this Wednesday to announce the participants to make it feel a little bit bigger than just going straight into it after a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my only issue.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just that's a minor complaint.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm stoked for the C2 last year's was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another guy that got a big win last night, who've talked a lot about on the show where he's been having these terrific matches now the last couple of years as a single, but not really winning the big one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time he'd get to the big match, he wouldn't win and that's Mark Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he's been a singles champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been the ROH World Champion last year, but never had a singles title in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Briscoe, defeating Kyle Fletcher and what we said is probably a top two or three match last night, I'd have it probably my number two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also the correct decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're what three and three now versus each other and I think yet he just had to put this title on brisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's come up short so many times Fletcher's a guy who he's ready for the world title scene to the two our points of having all this curiosity of where they could go in that direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's another guy that could factor into that in the next several months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was happy to see brisco when the title and I had no question

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[SPEAKER_01]: and y'all throw it to Jesse first here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're take on Mark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, uh, Kyle Fletcher in a good way is above the TNT championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of those examples to where I said if Hangman had retained last night Fletcher's probably the next guy at Worlds and you maybe make that decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you crowd him then?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, they're gonna throw them in the C2 and perfectly fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, brisco is a very well-respected veteran that video package in the beginning got me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tremendous stuff there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that match had ended on that froggy bow off of the table or through the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That match should have been over right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wish that that barbed wire table had came out and you put them through it and called it a three count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the match needed to go any longer than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fletcher sold his ass off, and that guy is a legitimate, he's, he's the next thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's not already the thing now, so Kudos to Mark though, congratulations, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say this was going to be a win-win scenario for me just because I was a little curious how Marc Briscoe could fit into the Don Calls family.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that actually could have been pretty entertaining and you know, maybe they can go back to that at some point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, this was nothing but a feel good moment for somebody who's been through the ringer and totally deserve this moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say I was super excited about this national title when they revealed it because you know a lot a lot said about Yeah, you know I'm going you know a lot said here about you know W too many titles W of ye too many titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a problem across the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It don't give me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not just a w But the Tony con you bastard

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get this title belt made that is nearly identical to the old NWA TV title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fully in now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What a beautiful belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God, it looks so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll look for a screenshot of the screen here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, you're guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you said right from the beginning, it's going to be ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He makes the most sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to defend across multiple promotions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've already heard that CMLL, I want some to work down there, New Japan, want some to work over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are going to be must-watch matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No question about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said this on tier and extra last night, it makes sense for it to be a heel holding the title because if you go

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're inherently, you're supposed to be a heal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like you're going in there from a totally different company defending their title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a heal spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought Ricochet was a no-brainer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people thought maybe Lashley would have a shot going in, but Ricochet won right decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as far as the casino gone, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a huge fan of those matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Typically, I thought it was our right, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, your guy won Saltor II first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's the right holder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can unleash some like 2015 to 2019 Ricochet overseas and just magic's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be so fun, but I listen to your extra last night and the character work that guys doing is tremendous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are gonna give somebody a traveling championship let it be him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he's earned this, it's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In turn, the 2025, there aren't many people that have elevated their games like that much from character perspective than Ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So super excited there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As for the match, I'll try to keep this to the 20 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not like the all the lying around on the outside peeking, waiting for their turns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The hurt syndicate, as soon as they both got in the ring, everybody just all of a sudden shot up and just got thrown around the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the very last thing I want to say is I think the only other guy I wanted to win that match, especially with how he opened it was Claudio Casmeoli.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how awesome if he would be a tremendous, I think, A.W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: National Champion, let him travel the world and let him work as style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that European uppercutty through in the very beginning and how imposing he looked on like, dude, give him the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So congrats Ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually love the casino gauntlet matches, but this one was a little bit more obvious in the guys just sitting around not doing anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I legit forgot the hurts in the kit we're in the match until they pop back up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not a good look, but generally I do like that matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's usually a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: it's, you know, after seeing, I was right there with you, Ryan's like, oh, fuck another title, Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of over at this point, but once I saw that belt, it's like every person that came out, it's like, oh, I'd like to see them wearing that belt, you know, I was like, I thought orange would there, it is, oh, what a beaut.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I was like, Orange Cassidy would be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was right there with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I was like, Claudio would be a fantastic national champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to see him with that title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it kind of works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It worked in the same way as Ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Get that heel traveling all over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the match was fun and annoying simultaneously here's what i'll say about you know i said i'm using out of and i think it's kind of overdone you know like they started as called the casino gauntlet because it's like the double or nothing match and i feel like it's kind of become a crutch where they just kind of bring it out

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather it be a little more special so that that's why I'm agreeing now when they announce it I'm kind of like oh another one of those like it's kind of played out you know the rules where I can end any time and you never know when the competitors are done coming out That's kind of interesting but yeah, it just feels like it's kind of gotten played out over the years

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[SPEAKER_00]: back to the last couple of matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see thumbtacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see tables.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see barbed wire for months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thumbtacks have been over done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Forks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't want to see those either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: John Moxley, you're not a dual the butcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, at some point you reach diminishing returns where you want to see some difference, so yeah, those have definitely been the I guess crutch for a latch of a lack of a better word as when it comes to these violent matches you always get the thumbtacks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give it some time to read for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we're going to go next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the tag match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the women situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've said pretty much all the way through Tony and Mina are picks to win that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't waver from that at all the way that this tournament has developed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have any deep thoughts on that four-way tag if you guys have anything you want to say on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't, I only have one thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think with Tony amino winning last night, I think a telegraphed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going Megan Bane and Marina Schiffier winning the eight of you women's tag team titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, hmm, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some speculation that Marina could be the person to turn on Moxley and kick him out of the death rioters if he keeps losing, because there was this TV shot of her, like kind of looking disgusted with him after he lost last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna bring that up when I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not only her, but it was kind of from a distance, but Pack had a look and then Claudio also looked a little annoyed as to what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, you know, to to our point, this entire show, it makes you want to tune in on Wednesday to see where it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pack and Darby Allen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one, I think everyone was pretty high on when they, well, they open the show technically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did the deal where, you know, the last match on the kickoff show or the tailgate brawl went into the opening of the show, which we said last month, I liked that when it happened, because it was unique.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it every month, so it wasn't happening every month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they did it again and was like, okay, it was unique last month, well, this should not be a routine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they did that again, but then the first full match was packed in Darby Allen and Justin, let me give you the, give you the floor here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Look, man, we have to appreciate Derby while we got him because he's a special special in-ring talent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the way he wrestles is incredibly unique to him and very dangerous and probably won't make for a long in-ring career, at least at this level.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And boy, you can

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's just no chance this isn't going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just zero chance with these two guys beating the ever living crap out of each other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that press slam from the apron down to the floor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My god, Darby's one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he's a, he's a cactus jack.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's a Mick Foldy with the way he wrestles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's because when you watch his match, I think you, you will start to feel physically hurt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Jeremy who said he was T-32 years old, Darby is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe so, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, yeah, that guy's going to have the body of a 45 to 50 year old here in the next year to if he keeps this going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want all of these young wrestlers out there to watch Darby and pack and Darby and we'll ask, Ray, because those the transitions in those matches, that's how you make this style look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were no interruptions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything just looked incredibly crisp like I was glued to my television watching that pack has not had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a horrible singles match on paper view in six years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy is just test the time awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the other guy I said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you kick Moxley out of the group, you throw him into the world title picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You let him go on a wrong and he could be an opponent for hangman as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there were a couple of opponents left, I think, for hangman to go through the gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like I said in the beginning, one B for me in terms of favorite matches of the night,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if moxley gets kicked out of the group, but it'll be interesting to see who they would make the leader of the group, would there be a leader of the group?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you can make the argument for pack, but also Claudio, I think, could be in that role too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's intriguing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the match was just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how this guy walks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know how.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A press lamb to the floor is just absolute insanity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to take the little details where pack was pulling off the bandages and scratching

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Alan was working from underneath at one point, the crowd was chanting, you can't kill him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm using, you packets have big clothesline, darky kicks out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great and here fall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I think in the end, based on the trajectory of the deathwriters, I think it was important to have Pac win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you had the interference with Uda and everything in the bat, but, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that was the right call, but the match was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to opening matches on a WPP reviews, it's got a rank right up there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did finish to not bother me at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pac is still kind of fresh on his return.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want him losing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Derby is at this point kind of bulletproof, but he is coming off of that big win against Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So giving Pac the win, but with shenanigans was the right way to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if we not, well, we haven't talked really about the bucks match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's the only, I mean, we referenced Kenny a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the story of that match was that, well, I was entering the bucks one, but then they did this post match be down spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you get the bucks and Kenny reuniting as they fight off the Calis family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and some people were fans of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other people were not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no problem with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes sense to put those three back together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did the way it was shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did all the tropes with, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should we go back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should we not as they're walking up the after the walking up the ramp and they end up like throwing down the money bags and heading back to the ring to help out Kenny the box did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it's always done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match was again pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one though where the crowd response was hurting it a little bit, but I thought Kennedy was Kenny was outstanding in this match in particular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Feel free to jump in either of you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it was I was pretty distracted during that match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't totally invested in and the elite reuniting doesn't bother me, but I don't really also care all that much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The the books and Kenny's melodramatic are a bit much for me sometimes bit over the top.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, it's one of those things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, of all the things that happen on the show, it's probably the thing on least curious about, you know, going forward, but there still is at least a little curiosity, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How a Nick and Mac gonna support their families, their broke, don't call us, took their money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that can't happen, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on camera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't take their money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rest this man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Money, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, that actually be a cool storyline on Wednesday to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, we're, yeah, we're getting 333,000, 333 dollars each from you, because you took it from us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We earned it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'd be a kind of a fun story line to go away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe TK can show some security camera footage in the back again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That the trolls online, what's up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did Dawn Cales go with those money bags?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to show the security footage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a non-annoying way, is the elite kind of reminds me of the bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, we're reuniting again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of lost for five, six years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the focus of the shows, like the bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I see what you mean, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the things that's kind of always there in the background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, they're like story number seven in this company right now after we've just rolled through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That good, good for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means when they created this company, they've done their job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've elevated talents from the start to get to a certain point to where they're now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like kind of in the middle and background characters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well done, E. Well done, boys, well done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean elevating talents what you're supposed to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not relying on the 45-year-olds?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, is that, that case?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jenny's 40.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Jackson's 40.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're, they're fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do have a 46 year old champion right now though, so, but hopefully that, uh, I'm sure the next couple of months, somebody that's a little bit younger is going to take it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could have that introduction message that Tim put in the discord last night, because his profile picture is hotter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shitty wrote, I'm Paul, like bottled water hammers shovels for not that, that, that elevating wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the great Tim Jets and Lies of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, imagine when A E W started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'd be doing a show in a few years where the elite is like the seventh storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it isn't the top focus of the TV shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kenny is just one of those guys where I feel like right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time he actually works, I just want to appreciate being able to watch him wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we don't know how much longer he has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's basically working on a wrestle once a month, schedule right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty yeah, I mean, I'm looking at his match history, you know, he worked Ocada obviously at all in and he worked once in August at forbidden door, once in September on dynamite once twice in October, I guess, two dynamite matches, but they're tags and then here at the end of November, so you know, we're not getting him out there that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I always want to enjoy seeing Kenny Omega, you know, one of the greatest of this generation and we'll see where the storyline takes them, but I'm just appreciating him while we have them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's a pretty much the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we covered everything did me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did selfishly, this will not happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, wouldn't mind throwing can you Omega in the C2?

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[SPEAKER_00]: His body can't take it though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, yeah, I wish that'd be great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe another reason I was a little bit bummed about Joe winning the world title is he wants again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll avoid going into the C2.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone I would have liked to see in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else we got?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a couple of minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else you guys want to throw out for the good of the cause before you wrap and get ready for Well Justin's gonna watch the end of the soccer game and just yeah, I'm pretty distracted right now actually I thought we could Going into today of that, you know, maybe if there's time we could talk about the Tony and Ariel Hawani interview I don't think we have time to really break it all down

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Tony did a good job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't been on the best terms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, those two for years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so because of that, AW talent doesn't appear on the Hellwani show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this will probably open up the door to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the AW talent that has been on the show in the last month is going to had to open the door to Tony coming back, because Darby Allen and Ricochet made appearances in the last month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was like an edict for a while that I think nobody could do go on the show because of how Tony felt when they had their kind of spat back and forth a couple of years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, now they've opened the doors and out with Tony in studio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a huge fan of the interview style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the way he was asking him the questions, came off combative, but I thought that Tony did a good job in answering them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very rapid fire out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want he's very successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not gonna attack him personally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just me as a listener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of random when these questions just come out of right field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't like a lot of flow to some of those questions I felt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he covered pretty much everything to his credit that people would want to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he brought up the stuff with punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everyone knew he'd probably bring it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He brought it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony was a little more open in the way he answered the questions this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last time they had talked and this kind of led to the heat between Tony kind of refused to answer stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how want to get frustrated with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was more open in answering the questions this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, any gave you a big hint on who's likely going to stay in the promotion and who's going to leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not directly, but I think just the way that he answered the questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also made it seem like really the doors open for anybody to return to this company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even the people that left, he's like, yeah, they did good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wish we could have worked together longer kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he acknowledged that collision was kind of a deal to keep punk in the company and it just didn't work out and, you know, he thought they could still do business, and that wasn't the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's it's definitely worth the list and I it was I was in the whole thing it was I was entertained by it despite my nitpicks about the interview style yeah uh one other A W note before I know Rhine you mentioned you bought the book I listened to the audio version of the AEW book that just came out a couple of weeks ago and I did enjoy it to me to give you just a kind of behind the scenes a look yeah it's a really cool cover and everything so

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if you're a poor wrestling fan, it's it's worth your read or worth your listen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't put it in the top tier, but definitely just something that kept my attention for the what was it four and a half hours I listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the way it is put together just like the design and the photos and everything is really cool, like it's it's almost like one of the has a lot of text for sure, but like if you can see that just the layout in the book almost has that coffee table book kind of, you know, feel to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read the whole thing yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've mostly been kind of piecing through it, but I enjoyed the photography and it I like the outline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the way it's set up and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'd say it's worth picking out personally if you can get it out of good price.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've enjoyed what I've, what I've read.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, especially this coming week with everybody and their uncle with sales and things black Friday, small business Saturday all the way to Cyber Monday, you can probably catch us at a pretty good price.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and you know, punk is in here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're wondering, they don't let's skip over that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a whole page here on his feud with two pages with, um, I'm JF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all punk and I'm JF there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like WWE where they erase history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they, they don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, punk's everything, all the punk title stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all in here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, here's

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's more as you can see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's cool, you know, to their to their credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'd recommend picking it up personally if you're an AEW fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't know the electricity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I paid for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are, we're going to roll.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got some football to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, I hope the Vikings can beat the Packers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be rooting for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too, the Packers have a tendency to play down and keep things interesting, not that the Vikings are an awful team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just one of the most bizarre teams I've seen in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are capable of winning this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say Packers by four, watch me be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're definitely capable of winning it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Green Bay is very tremendously overrated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're beatable for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be watching the spare bears today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Pittsburgh would be a very winnable game until the injury reports started coming out this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Six starters on the defense are not playing, including all three linebackers and Pittsburgh goes to their tight ends a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not super confident in this game now, but... Nice to meet you all behind center though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that been announced this morning?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I figured Rogers would play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it really matters that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is out, I see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they go to Darnell, Washington, so much, who they're just gonna be tossing it over the middle of the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And our linebackers are probably not gonna be older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cover, but at least it's a non-conference game if we lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really want to lose to Aaron Rogers again, so I guess I'm glad that he's not playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to beat him when I thought we were going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping he would be out there, but now I'm not so confident.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does look like we might get Jalen Johnson back for the Eagle's Game Next Week, which would be huge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played one quarter this year, he's the best guy in our defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So his recovery has been pretty miraculously fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys, here's our football talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We kept it to the end of the show tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get you to tune out early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people like pro football check out Bears Overbears.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I host that podcast Wednesday nights at Second City Credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Employee Mall for Justin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good luck to Tottenham.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, you spurs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's all we got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this has been episode 402 of Top Rope Nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Support us on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, you'll have an unemployed job and probably in the next few days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got classics come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can listen to my extra from last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join the discord, talk to about that at the top of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will see you all next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you have a great week, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We in the money, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hold down for me.

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[UNKNOWN]: Hold down for me, baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[UNKNOWN]: I think that the world will belong to you Watch them and pay for this can't lead them on the wire Stay in the reach of great times The way black stocks are left here With a gun in the left side right Will be blown down when the gun is just right I'll be blown down when the gun is just right I'll be blown down when the gun is just right I'll be blown down when the gun is just right