AEW Revolution Review: Did MJF & Hangman Go Too Far?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're back episode 408 of Top Rope Nation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a Monday afternoon, Ryan Drossie, Jesse Velasquez.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here to talk AEW Revolution, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse has been a while since we've done a flagship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How you doing, my friend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am quite excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time I feel like since we've been on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I joked about it even said we were averaging one show a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That has changed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's better than zero, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we've only done a couple of episodes here in the new year on the flagship at least.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's been content dropping on our Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse has been speaking into the void doing his solo show unplugged pretty much every single week, once in a while, more than one episode a week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been doing the extras here and there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to extra drop with my revolution review late last night for our patrons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have got the instant reaction if you're a Patreon supporter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, we still do a top-rotonation classics here and there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll have one coming up here in the next couple of weeks in effect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, a good time to get on the Patreon bandwagon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, we don't have just enjoying it with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We really wanted to put out a show, but we didn't want to wait too long to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin also was really invested watching the Oscars last night, so hasn't really been able to deep dive as much on revolution as Jesse and I have so we're kind of just like, all right, you know, I'm on spring break this week, why not just dive in here in the afternoon, you had some time open and so this is it we had to talk about what went down at the former staple center in Los Angeles, California last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Jessie, I think we'll just go right off the bat with our grades A through F as we often do here on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those of you that are joining us live, you can hit us with your thoughts on revolution or anything that's on your mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the chat, of course, super chats are open.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As always, if you really want to support, make sure you're coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's featured in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jessie, give me your grade for revolution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before I do that, I also want to talk to the pay urge to the people out there just about the fact that Ryan Justin and I in our group chat really haven't been talking much pro wrestling in the last month, so we're going to be going in blind today for them really excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that Justin was here to hear this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A minus is the final grade for AEW Revolution and I almost think this is harsh because I have been looking at feedback all day long and people are calling this an all timer and I said Do we watch the same paper view?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see I Didn't see a negative match per se.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I there was a lot of matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt there was four

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[SPEAKER_00]: that I rated like four stars cost board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I had anything higher than four, no, I had one match higher than four in a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, that constitutes in a show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am nitpicking a little bit on a couple of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's a match at your a little bit higher on the NIM and but nonetheless, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that four and a half hours, I think it was four and a half hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They balanced it out extremely well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they had a lot of caffeine, and I wasn't wearing down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the main event came, and I was still feeling good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, usually I told you, I said, if we hadn't been doing this, this is three hours of me watching it, I'll watch the next hour, the next day, when I have time to do it, and I feel fresh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt fresh the whole night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did a really good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crowd was very good too, so A-minus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that was one of my big takeaways watching it live to was just how well past it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause Jeremy and I talked about this on BR last night, how sometimes, you know, it's the main event starting after 11 central midnight Easter time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this time, I think the main event started about 11 45 10 45 central, which is better than they've done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like, as we'll talk about, there was matches on this show that did it need to go 15 20 minutes, that they had end under 10 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not something that AEW often does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They always give performers a chance to show out, even when it's like to the detriment of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, you know, maybe this one didn't need to go 18 minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But last night, I felt like the matches that needed to be tight were tight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was past very well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't feel as long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the main event did go about an hour, a little less than that I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it got time and ended up being a pretty long show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it didn't, it didn't feel like it to me because it wasn't like, I where I'm sitting around just waiting and waiting for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for that made of it, slot, to finally begin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So from that perspective, I really like the pacing of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought to kind of improve matters there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give my greatest second couple chats here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Noah, our friend, checkin' in, says, been a while, yeah, has been a while since T.R.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Flegges been on the air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: AEW's on Freakin' Fire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a legendary run-up paper views since 2024.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alan, our good friend, gave it an A minus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, he docked it a little bit because of Rhonda Rowsie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to Rhonda Rowsie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, I'm out of A on this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a really strong outing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just went through and did my star ratings for our patrons on every match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to do that for a couple of years on the Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And...

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was, there was a paramatch as I kind of flipped their ratings one I was a little bit higher on in the moment I dropped it down a little bit and another one I raised a little bit but for the most part I was kind of where I was at last night and I'm looking down at the list right now I mean all together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had four matches over four stars last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was a phenomenal show, book ended by an awesome opener and a great finish as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just come away thinking revolution and you've talked about this on Unplugged.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's becoming one of their signature shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it wasn't like the first one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, it was of the core first four paper views they had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the last one they came up with in the early 2020.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it's becoming that yearly show that just oftentimes show of the year in the discussion like last year that in in my star ratings two of the top ten matches of the year and last year's revolution with Mariah and Tony and Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Osprey in the cage on Revolution last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But top to bottom just a phenomenal show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You go back to 2022 when you had punk and MJF in the dog collar match, which they called back to the house using punk's name last night during the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We called back to the PTSD maybe that MJF had because of the dog collars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you go back to 2020 the first one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was at that show covering it as a member of the media when you had that awesome tag between the bucks and Kenny and Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: revolution always delivers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're going to get a solid outing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think when we get to the end of the year, we'll be looking back on a few of these.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that it will win match of the year because Osprey was on this show, but he didn't wrestle on the show, and I assume Will Osprey is going to have some match of the year, contenders this year, and probably have a huge year when all things are considered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that a match from the show will win match of the year, but I think there'll be at least one or two matches from the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of in that top 10 discussion at the end of 2026.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I am, I'm at an A on this and I think on our Twitter poll, I don't have it handy here, but it was like overwhelmingly people were given an A. I see on Cage match, the show has a 9.46 out of 10 rating, that's out of 149 votes right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's really high for a show on Cage match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 9-1 when I looked at 10 o'clock this morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's jumped up since then, and then real quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2023 at MJF and Danielson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I heard me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman and Moxley, Texas death, which was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2024, of course, who could forget it, things retirement match ended up blowing it away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of my favorite matches of the last handful of years you mentioned him, Osprey, Takeshita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his debut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, home run at home run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess the big point of view or the big point here, Jesse, is we need to attend a revolution life again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It may no matter where it is, it will be worth traveling to if these past editions are any proof.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a Match it if you go back and look at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's either the it gets a second highest rated match in the history of cage match.net

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's start right from the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to talk about the main event first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I assume a lot of the people that are clicking on this video, that's what they want to hear about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the thumbnail on this show is

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[SPEAKER_02]: on YouTube is, did they go too far with the main event?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of, you know, I'm going to call it a couple of Justin slots on this, because he's been in the discord, given his thoughts, even though he's not on the show, today with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Justin was kind of vocal, they'd be thought the main event was too long, and it kind of took him out of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually had the direct opposite experience with that main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I wasn't gonna like it very much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just felt like a weapons match, not a lot of thought to it, just spot after spot with the weapons getting pretty gory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, ooh, you know, we have the syringe spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, did they go too far with that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stickin' a syringe, literally through hangman's cheek from the inside out that was pretty gory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then as the match went on,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the psychology part of it started to build a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got invested.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a rare circumstance to me where it was a really long match, but I started out not liking it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end, I really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I had the opposite reaction as Justin, I ended up thinking it was outstanding match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not the best Texas death match they've done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think hey man, I'm moxley last year at all and it was a better match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I gave that the full five stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was an outstanding match with a lot of memorable spots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's little nitpicks on the production here and there that maybe you could go after the Jeremy did on the show last time at BR.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also things I really liked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of them I took a screenshot of and put on our Twitter page where they were on the ring apron with the dog collars on and then they had a low camera angle shot looking up through the barbed wire on the tables.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was such an awesome perspective.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was great directing and production.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That I really liked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but overall, yeah, I mean, I ended up liking a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Give me your thoughts before you get into, you know, the winner and kind of long term ramifications.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the opening video sequences were great but hangman and then uh mjf with the Terry Funko Maj was might have been the thing I popped about the most I think of the entire match and it's by the fact and how good it was I felt overall and you're right that it started slow and mjf didn't want to participate in what he called this indie garbage don't don't he's trying to uphold his image the best he can but there were good hokey moments like mjf running

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Shibani says, El Cabong and then paying man with just, it almost sounded like the Steve Austin Vince McMahon bedpan to me from 1898.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I laughed pretty hard for about a good 45 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that's a sweet spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like in spurts, it became a little bit more of a wrestling match, the one thing that I am a little concerned about for Texas death matches moving forward is the nine counts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'll get into the polar opposite of the nine counts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think later on in the show, I think you have an automatic instance that this match is not ending.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, nobody's like, they're getting up at nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting up at nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting up at nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of delaying the inevitable eventually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know when the ending is coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with the end, by the way, that ending was almost as good as Moxley getting choked out at all in last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman getting choked out, but then I just the perfect stumbling of off the apron head first into the camera falls over bloodstained right on the camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that you almost couldn't have drawn it up any better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I bet TK was just

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[SPEAKER_02]: You stay out of that camera.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at the portal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My god, the blood is smeared right across this pool perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just, you know, they stayed on that camera longer than they had intended just because of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, I bet he was just losing his shit backstage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I bet that is a top two Texas death match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think visual that you'll definitely remember forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they even brought out light tubes for this one, which I think I've only seen on an AEW dark death match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Moxley and Chanel broke out the light tubes one year, but you haven't seen them ever since.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're a staple in GCW and some of the other Indies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was interesting with Tony Shavani says, that's not a lightsaber, it'll be one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, you know, Brian made the point of commentary that we need a break from Texas death matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they should kind of retire this match for a couple years now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've had a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was there were sequences in the match where I'm like, if this isn't the finish, what is going to be the finish?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when you do a dead eye through a table on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Should that not be the finish, you know, like a pile driver through a table on the outside and then they still get up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, what is possibly going to end this, you know, they did the belt shot at the end and I was thinking like that, this cannot be the finish, you know, if if that dead eye through a table on the outside didn't end it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly I belt shot cannot end it, but yeah, but then when they ended up doing, you know, page gets hit with the dynamite diamond and then it gets hanged over the top row.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was pretty clever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It worked out perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said on the the pro wrestling daily show on Friday over on bleach report that I expected MJF to win despite the stipulation and I just felt you couldn't take the title off a max right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, businesses moving in the right direction have been selling more tickets, TV ratings are up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just we all have hangman around here, but I just felt like now you keep it on the strong heel right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's too early to take it off of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the stipulation may people question it, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's going to get a shot at the world title again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They made a point in the post show that it was like a handshake agreement.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And our friend, Jason Smith's called this out to me last night and I'll use it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They kept saying he cannot challenge for the AEW world title, but it doesn't prevent somebody from giving him an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I assumed down the line maybe that's a direction they could go is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you might have made that handshake agreement with MJF, but I want to fight you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm whether it's a swerve world champion who I got to say, I got to find out once and for all and they rekindle the feud or a baby face match with Will Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I want you in the title match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know you have that stipulation, but you're not challenging me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm challenging you kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that, that's how they could get around it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not worried in the way that, you know, when they did it with Cody,

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[SPEAKER_02]: at the very beginning of AEW and late 2019 and they never even like hinted really at him getting a world title shot again, which I think booking wise everyone acknowledges was a mistake to kind of take him out of the world title picture that early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly as his run with AEW went on and I was talking with Frank about this earlier today, front of the show Frank Petty Annie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As his run with AEW went on, the fans got tired of the Cody stick and they totally turned on him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of different reasons for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think just booking-wise, it was a mistake to take Cody out of the title picture at the very beginning of the promotion when he was clearly, maybe the top star in the promotion, if not, top two or three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just to kind of kneecap as booking, as they did there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think that that's a concern here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you have a situation where

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[SPEAKER_02]: This roster is absolutely stacked, and this gives you a logical reason to take page out of the world title picture for now, because they got other stuff to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can't keep waiting on Will Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to become World Champion this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've delayed it for so long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When Will Osprey returned last night, we'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's clear, he is the guy, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the guy in this promotion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they got to go that direction in the next few months, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wasn't surprised by the finish at all here in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up liking it a lot more than I thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty gory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they went too far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what AEW does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if that's not your cup of tea or cup of coffee as I sit for my mug here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they still have good wrestling on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you're more of a Matt wrestling person, they have that in show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A.W.

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[SPEAKER_02]: gives you a little bit of everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a stagnant promotion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a variety.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if this is what you're into, you walk away pretty happy last night of the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The syringe spot might have been the only spot where they went a little bit too far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like through the cheek.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see it just squirting out of the... Oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: even the skewers weren't that bad though like they were with Darby and Moxley I thought that was a little bit cringe worthy to couple of times I got fooled once when they broke out the dog collars I didn't realize they were dog collars at first I saw the edge of the chain and I said oh no I think swears going to come out and he's going to cost hang man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that was one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then another time, which would have been an interesting ending was when they went through the table in the towards the entrance and the electrocution or just like a whole bunch of pyro just kind of flew up and like electrical sparks and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost thought they were going to double count them out, which would have been a way to

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, good job on the teasing parts of that from Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, overall, I felt this was the best match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In spite of the fact that it went 45 minutes because it broke off in logical legit segments, had a little bit of everything for everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a Goar fan, you got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got some really good psychology in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, the only nitpick would have been just the tons and tons of nine counts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's some production stuff, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of like crowd reaction shots, which was very kind of a WWE ask, you know, how they always are looking for the shocked fans in the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a WWE doesn't usually do that, but they did it a lot last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of my theories on this last night on B.R.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the venue itself played into that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is the former Staples Center with the Lakers play in L.A., it's now called the Crypto.com arena, which is one of the worst names for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just saw it stupid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to call it Staples Center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the Staples Center is famously, and I asked Jeremy about this because he's a California guy, and he's been there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's famously an arena that doesn't translate live to being very loud, and one of the reasons is the way it's set up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you got that lower level bowl, but then they have, I think it's like three levels of sweet, slug tree suites, and then you get the upper level or the rest of the fans are, and they're really, really far away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of these arenas that was built, you know, early 2000s or whenever late 90s, where they were starting to prioritize more the big spending fans, you know, the luxury boxes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite musicians is Bruce Springsteen, and he famously almost never plays the Staples Center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He'll always play the LA forum because he likes the feel of that venue as a rock star better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's louder, the fans are closer to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I bring that up is, I did see people online last night on Twitter commenting that it didn't seem like the crowd is very lively to them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could tell the crowd was into it, but other times people were like, oh, they sound kind of quiet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's because of the setup of the Staples Center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I felt like the fans are really engaged the whole night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if A, W, recognize that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, all right, we need to like show the looks of the people's faces more throughout the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't even just the main event they did at other points, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe just to show that they were engaged because they felt like the sound wasn't getting across.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just one theory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do know as a fact that someone like Springsteen doesn't like playing there because it's not loud and he prefers to play the forum because everyone's closer to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you watch the show, you can kind of see how far away the fans are just the way they constructed that arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, and that brings up a whole other point, just and obviously wasn't happy that the show was on at the same time as the Oscars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't have run the staple center on Saturday night because the lake was at a home game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they could have ran the forum, which is a place that's about the same size and capacities where the lake is used to play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've renovated the place recently, so it's in pretty good shape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's further from outside of downtown, unlike the staple center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but also they could have ran there on Saturday night and we wouldn't have to do this show on a Monday We could have done a Sunday morning show at Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just I wish AEW would get back to the Saturday evening paper views Because they kind of pioneered that in recent times WWE is ran with it and AEW's gotten away from that and they're constantly running

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Sunday night shows again most of the time, which I just really don't like for a variety of reasons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to travel, it's hard to go to the shows because then you got to take off a day of work on Monday to get home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to take your kids, you're going to be up to midnight and it's a school night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just, or even just have your kids watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I think it's just better all around to run these on Saturday and I wish they would lean into that more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: some of us got lucky like you that spring break started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for each and a circumstances there, but I could not agree with more than everything else that you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also with those close ups, didn't they seem almost hyper close to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that where it's off on TV?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that looked really bad to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think it was Tim Jensen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He sent me was at in our snapchat group But about like the Wayne's world extreme close up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was joking about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, but I mean look overall Main event really enjoyed it It ended up I liked it more by the end than I thought I was going to all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's let's flip this around now Jesse

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll start from the beginning of the show and we'll talk about, well, I don't really want to talk about the pre-show too much, but I will mention something that happened because it bled into the main show proper, and that was Jack Perry winning the 21-man blackjack battle royal to win the national title from Ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that with Perry winning it, you know, basically in his hometown here and if you haven't seen it, just and sent this to us earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Watch the post show scrum when Jack Perry talks about what this meant to him ends up talking about his father.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, Luke Perry and you know his father's death, but also how he wished his dad could have been there to witness it because he says kind of like the last time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was in that arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was walking on the con course as a little kid with his dad and it's a really really kind of touching moment in the post show So I would recommend people check that out if you haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Happy for the guys comes across as a really genuine dude and I think it was the right move here

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the summer slam that Luke Perry was featured and they had his kids in the front row, not knowing that Jack Perry was the- Yeah, that's the far one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh wait, or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been even later than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say I could be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was somewhere that we're in between 11 and 14.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I recall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember the clip though that, you know, he was there in the front row with his dad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you have rather have seen him win it to know one-on-one confrontation as opposed to a 21-man battle royal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could go either way on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll have like a real strong feeling on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was fine here, though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming they will do some singles matches, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because one of the, with the final four that we're left Chompos, another one that you can go, hey, automatically throw another belt on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the next, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already, I think his character is coming across on TV very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got one of the top probably five entrances in the A and A W right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think already just with the yeah with the shadow knows my story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's it's great and you're seeing a richovinated character here as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, I think it was, it was the right decision and then Justin showing us that video playing homage to it as well and who knows what they'll do with with Ricochet and I know that they're going to continue to feature this on the independence a little bit here and there and I'll ricochet defended it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in Japan, maybe Jack Perry goes to Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think yeah, just keep keep that theme going with this with this title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I found that screenshot from Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put it on the screen here for the video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a look peri with a young Jack peri at Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Summerslam 2009.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess would have been 10 looking at that logo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there to the same venue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wild.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we can talk about now because I wanted it before otherwise I might forget, but speaking of this title and it got me thinking about what they're going to do this summer with a possible forbidden door, do they ditch the forbidden door, pay per view, because they're going to have that long gap between double or nothing and all in, do they do a forbidden door show again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's kind of played out with New Japan for right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see them doing a CMLL for bitten door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: CMLL has been really hot in the wrestling world among hard cores.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, last year, last June, they ran that dynamite at Arena Mexico, which was probably one of the most memorable TV shows of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see it, especially if they didn't Mexico, after Arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much value it would actually have on paper, you might be worth a shot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, boy, if they could get CMLL on that new MyAW service though, that would be a gold mine because CMLL is one of those companies that I've really wanted to follow more, but it's like 30 bucks a month on YouTube to watch all of their shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a high price point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So other reviews for my AEW were pretty high last night, and, you know, if they can build a streaming platform that has CMLL, New Japan, AEW all on it internationally, that's going to be a huge thing for them moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I continuing to possibly broker that partnership with CMLL and running forbidden door with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think would be the way to go if they want to do it this year rather than a Japanese angle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously, if they do that, I think this title will play into the picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But do you have any thoughts on forbidden door as a scheduled paper view again this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, uh, especially with Gabe Kid's comments in the press room, they should do a way with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have you seen what Gabe Kid didn't said?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw the quotes, but, um... Whoa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's kind of in character for Gabe Kid, but he just completely trashed New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, toll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how she'd have foth at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, CMLL is red hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you said amongst the hard course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of trios, there's a lot of trios and eight man tags also in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, well, just just the way stories are told in Mexico and Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just a ton of tags, six man's and eight person matches and you get singles maybe once, maybe twice a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and in Claudio winning this title, by the way, I'll get a little off topic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's defended that title a lot more than hit the predecessor Ultimo Guerrero hat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, from what I had seen, he'd only been defending the title maybe every four or five months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's not that important of a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the middleweight won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the, the one that, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mystico held that MJF took from him and Mystico got back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is really just more important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's cool that maybe Claudio is going to bring a different lineage to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess out long and short answer long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: CMO would would be the way to go, but I would just say maybe do a way with it for a year or two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, be interesting to see what they do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If they have that gap in the schedule or not, you know, they didn't have kind of a gap here, though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was

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[SPEAKER_00]: their last paper view is world's end and that was two and a half months ago so they had a pretty big break here I love the gap yeah everything is more important hmm sure and every other month i think would be ideal if you want to throw that special one in there for seven do that but seven i i believe is the sweet spot yeah yeah for sure

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so the main event or the story, the main show proper, open with the bucks and FTR.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of a nice touch with the bucks face again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They come on Lakeers' colors, add the families with them, how kind of a cool little opening video for their entrance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you know, you get FTR who have no ties to Boston really, but they came out in the Boston Celtics inspired year to get the heat with that big rivalry historically between the Lakers and the Celtics.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, I really like this match a lot more than you did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, you know, just from the discord comments that I saw, they go 19 minutes and 41 seconds, FTR retains and they set up the return of coping Christian.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they're going to factor in this title picture and possibly do a triple threat, like three-way match with the bucks and FTR.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you do like a ladder match with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got a paper view coming up in Vancouver, Dynasty with the Canada connection, you know, which will get people excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean the match at all the spots that you expect in a bucks match, you know, all the big flips, all the superkicks all around, um, and they had a spot where, uh, well, actually Matt took a Matt went to the outside at one point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did a like a slingshot crossbody and they kind of dropped him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen anything on this but look for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's really favoring his side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope to little ugly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: but they did like a double suplex spot from the apron to the floor that looked pretty gnarly, hell of a fall to take there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're FTR, Matt hit a suicide on the on-stokely half way later in the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the gimmick of Stokely in the in the wheelchair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I know you were more critical of the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you wanna chime in now, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am going to retract some statements from last night's discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, Frank said there were way too many spots, and it's a box match you got to, you got, comes with a territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were too many false finishes, too many finishers getting kicked out of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this should have been, if you're going to use that one count, if you want to use it in this match, by all means do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you got to tell the people behind you to not use a one count in your matches that became super repetitive to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just have to get used to the fact that in 2000 and 26, we're going to be seeing multiple finishes and they're going to be getting kicked out of because I always joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, is it going to take somebody to die in the ring to actually stay down for a three count, especially in the Texas death match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's crazy, but no, I actually did, I really enjoyed the match, but I am docking points, I think, just for the

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[SPEAKER_00]: over the top finishers and yeah, just getting kicked out of because all the points you made about like stokely, I thought that was hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Dax and Cash could have been seriously injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like Matt Nick could barely hold them up for those suplexes to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really, really liked the when Nick did his usual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was his kick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hopped in the ring, hit Cash, you know, he hit Dax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he was about to do his back flip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cash new is coming, side stepped it and turned it into just a beautiful suplex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just goes to show that the chemistry between the two teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lastly, the full gear 2020 almost tribute with the bucks wearing the Lakers colors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Celtics board, darker, or the FTI were darker green trunks with black I believe knee pads in 2020, so still playing off that rivalry, and they can continue this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm just wishing for two things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another tag team to step up and try to become butteam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because these two teams have been on top for six years and somebody's got to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then with a Copeland and Christian, I suppose that makes sense and if it is in Canada, there's a likelihood that they win the titles and personally, I don't want to see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not opposed to it as a short-term thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, for as much as we gripe about Copeland and, you know, he's been gone for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like, that place went crazy for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I do think there's something to when you or a company that's looking to grow it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you have a little momentum and you're on the ascension to use something in your faces, like people that are wanting to check out a W for the first time to see someone like that that they recognize from being

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wrestling fans in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that has value.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not like super opposed I don't want to see them carrying the tag division all year long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't wear anything like that But this is I think clearly kind of like the right off for him as a as a wrestler I would assume and you know, so if he gets one last row of the tag titles with Christian briefly They wouldn't have been Canada, you know, whatever

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a super strong opinion either way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree that long term we got to elevate some new teams because it's been the bucks and FTR for a long while here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Going back to like the false finishes and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've traditionally like not like that either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did that in Japan for a long time, but also like, when did that originate?

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[SPEAKER_00]: HBK attacker at me at 25, I mean, I'll Ross and I, we had a good lengthy discussion that on my podcast a handful of years ago, but he also said, and we agreed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it actually originated more in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with all of these and I'm gonna talk about it with Missawa and Kobashi how they just beat the shit out of each other and they're like how did that not end the match?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, I mean I just kind of assume that's gonna be the case in these matches with with with the box.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been doing it for a long time And that's always kind of been the formula.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean like I called out a little while ago that tag match at Revolution 2020 Which was match of the year contender that had a lot of false finishes in it and I thought that match was awesome too So I I couldn't take it away from that one at the time so

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would feel personally like I was being hypocritical if I bashed him for six years later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they've always done it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you know the bucks have been doing that for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've been following them for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know that as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't bother me that much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's wrestling these days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hell, I just got the new WW2K video game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this has been going on the video games even.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he had a bunch of finishers and he can't in the other side and he'll get all pissed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I should have been the finish, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've hit the go to sleep twice now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What the hell?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, you know, that's just wrestling these days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, the traditionalists in me likes one finish or maybe two, and that's the end after two finishers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately, you know, this is the way the businesses evolve.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I like the match a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had this one in the main event basically tied as match of the night and my star ratings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to make the exact same rating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really dug it at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, if you've been listening to this podcast, you know, I've been down on the box a little bit the last couple of years, but this was a, this was a phenomenal match, really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They followed it up with Tony Storm and Marina Schaffier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a ton to say about the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was happy that they didn't let it overstay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's welcome and go like 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a one that went just under 10 minutes, but it actually felt like less than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It went by really fast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was what I was referring to earlier when they actually ended the match, when they should end the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They shouldn't have it wear out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's welcome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep this show moving.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Tony gets the win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then in the aftermath is when round arousy comes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And round arousy coming to the side of Marina, who is one of the four horse women from back in her MMA days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last night on BR, Jeremy made the point of Shayna Basler, he think what a guy had a bigger pop than round a guy, which I think Basler is available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's been out of WWE awhile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she did some indie work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe maybe they will bring her in eventually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you have anything to add on the match, you can, but then I think their larger point here is time about Ronda and AEW using her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very brief thoughts on the match as one of Marina's better singles performances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It helps having Tony Storm in there Tony's so good And then I looked away because I was typing in notes and was very very brief and then Ronda came out Yeah, I got startled for him and I'm like wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why I know she's fighting Gina Corrano and an exhibition match on Netflix here And a little under two months and I was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: cross promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just started seeing the backlash like why Ronda.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my first thoughts when I saw her was this is the best shape I've seen her look in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those last couple of years when she was in the WWE, I remember her winning the real rumble four months postpartum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you expect that to me was unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She never have happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I started kind of flashing back to some of the comments that she's made in the past about transphobia number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sandy hooked number two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she's retracted a cup like one maybe two of those statements, so it doesn't really look good in the eyes of a promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very friendly when it comes to diversity and equality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said it's a wait and see approach, and that's the way it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see her being used as a super large character long term, simply because of what's already on top of the card as it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it looks like Shayna, so she does like some gas coaching for WWE, but she's not under contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what she said, an interview with Chris Van Vleet a couple of months ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really know she's done some stuff with her performance center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She might be available who knows, but with Rondo,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you hit the nail on the head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be controversy there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really particularly agree with anything anything she said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's had some real out there conspiracy crap that she's spewed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she took a long time to walk back the Sandy Hook thing in particular, which is like beyond despicable to allude that what she did about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even want to say it, you know, it's just horrendous stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She eventually walked to back, but it took her like a decade to do that, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's real bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that, you know, some of the people at WWE have bastard after she left there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's also bash WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they are just using her for publicity purposes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things where like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to get noticed by the greater public and Ronda is a name that carries value in the sports world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned she's got the Faioujina Chrono and mid-May, two months or now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ronda can't be doing physical things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would assume it'd be kind of crazy if they did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of money on that fight coming up in two months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they're just banking on her presence to get them some attention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she obviously has the natural tie in with Marina.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's pretty much all that there is to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just for publicity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did the Ring of Honor match not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's had some tie-ins there with T.K.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a firm thought on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, her past, I'm not a fan of, but we'll see how they use it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so early, it's really hard to make a declaratory statement at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's not the high profile performer that's going to jump from WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're AW and you're looking to like, garners some attention to the greater world, I think that's what they're doing with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that it's going to make much of a difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was a huge star like a decade ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel she has that drawing power anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's some value in her name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'll wait and see how they attempt to use it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and then lastly, I think there's only one name, maybe later on in the year that would move from WWE to WWE and that's Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, Bailey would be cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be very, and we know that her and Mercedes are tight, so I could see it actually happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be very enticing, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see it maybe later in the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so then after this, we get Moxley and Takeshda.

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[SPEAKER_02]: phenomenal match, basically right there as like my one B match of the night behind the opener in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this was these two always are great in the ring when they get in there together and this was no different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hard hitting, moxley, retaining, be cottonettle title over to Keshda.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they might flip it here, but given what happened after the match, not surprised anymore that they didn't, you give me your take on the match, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: physical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These two always have physical confrontations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite one counts of all time was to cash it a kicking out at one of a moxley paradigm shift on rampage in 2022.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was kind of what started though, who is this guy in Laquiri is now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't like the decision at first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the whole flicking him off after a couple of period I'm shifts and then he finally passed out from all the pain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, yeah, I had a bad taste of my mouth and then afterwards, I mean, what I would transpired later, I'm like, well, storyline wise, this might start to make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess now the question is who takes it away from John Moxley, because he's been a fighting continental champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something they haven't had since Eddie Kingston had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just willing to take on anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll wrestle each week and the amazing thing as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go watch his aid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll be close up with Renee, his wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 35 minutes to deep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Deep dive psychologically in the mind of a guy who really has a really nuanced, interesting takes with the world of professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, I've had that on my list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think didn't, was that Justin who mentioned that he had been rereading Mox's book recently, because then I started to do so as well and got that as such a good book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love just how he jumps around and like the little pop culture references.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys haven't read Mox's book, you should.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have more of an appreciation for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we try to be really objective on the show and during his like the the dire parts of his title reign, we're very vocal on here that we thought he should drop it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But overall, Moxley, from the beginning of A, W to now has always been one of the MPPs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was my wrestler the year in 2022.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when stuff kept going wrong with the injuries and the punk drama, he was like that consistent guy who carried things through.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, here he is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He retains, like you said, he basically got to Kesheba to pass out the sleeper of the choke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, hard hitting is the easiest way to sum this one up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it looks like Moxley is gonna leave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the lights go out and they play kind of like this Wolverine type video for Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I liked how the lights came back on and for a couple of seconds they made you think he wasn't there and it was just a video teasing at this return.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then elevated comes on and he comes out of this on the stage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The place is just going absolutely nuts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're wondering,

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[SPEAKER_02]: is he actually ready to go though or is he just going to do this face off and maybe he'll rest on like a month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then he tears off his shirt and he freaking runs down to the ring and immediately hits the hidden blade and then it looks like he's going to get double teamed and then he does the like the the backhand spring flip off of the ropes and then he does the dive off the top rope to the outside and like sarcastically like cracks his neck and he's

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[SPEAKER_02]: oh my god like if you if you didn't walk away from that thinking this is the guy to build this company around I don't know what you're thinking because the the place came totally unglue we've been saying on the show for two years I mean he has everything that they want he has worldwide appeal he's not just popular in America he's obviously not American you know he's got the appeal across the globe Japan where he's been a champion obviously being over from England and having the

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[SPEAKER_02]: The just he's he's a viral type personality with the move set that you know, you can get that out there to this generation of young people today that have the attention span of 10 seconds at a time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, give me the 10 second TikTok of Will Osprey doing crazy shit, you know, that's going to get you noticed this is the guy he is the baby face that they need to build around and I assume 2026 Jesse is the year where it finally happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as long as he stays healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's leaner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like he's probably 10 or 15 pounds down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My imagination would just be because he's probably unable to lift any weights after a next surgery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't blame you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a long rehab process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to see him back after seven or eight months from that is it's very, yeah, it's it's really cool to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a great story already, and I followed his career since probably late 2017, when I really got into New Japan, and I just immediately was just gravitated to the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the maturation process over the last nine years is something I didn't even foresee coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's a super likable guy, and you should definitely hit your wagon to him as long as he stays healthy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a, I remember God, I mean, really people started to take notice of him when he had the Super Junior's match with Ricochet was at 16 summer 2016 and I remember Tim's in the chat here, I remember I believe that summer at my old house, Tim and I were brewing some beer in my garage that summer and I had my laptop out in the garage, we were watching that match and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then Ricochet wrestled at a indie show here in our town like a month after that, and we saw him wrestle Sammy Callahan, which is an outstanding match, and then when Justin and I and Kyle went to Mania 34, we saw Osprey wrestling some indie shows down there and we walked by right past him on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Afterwards when you sign an autographs and stuff and you know, we've all liked the guy I don't know that at that point I would have seen him as like the top star of a major North American promotion though I mean the way he's continued to elevate his game and become this undeniable super star now is just It's like obvious again when someone is that obvious you have to go with them

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[SPEAKER_02]: And God, it was my kids were so pumped to see him back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have probably seen the videos that Will has been retweeting today on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I would have filmed my kids because they lost their shit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they were going nuts when he came back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we watched it again this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were so happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's got multi-generational appeal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is also, did he get new ink?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that some new tattoos on his arm?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about that last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really hard to tell I wasn't a he might have yeah I mean personable marketable and he's grown quite a bit he's not that kid that he was nine ten years ago when if he ate a whole bunch of burgers and pizza you would be able to see it now he's he's a grown man it's yeah the maturation process like I said super fun and yeah you'd be crazy not to hit your wagon to a guy like that

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[SPEAKER_02]: to mention the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tim and I went to New Japan ROH Global Wars Show in Chicago, suburbs in 2017, and Osprey, Russell, I believe Flip Gordon on that show was a phenomenal match too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, man, this has been building a lot for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope this is a big year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that he had lines Wembley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a no-brainer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the pre-sale for that just started today, didn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we texted think twice last night, and we both said we hope that he comes to our respective cities in a little less than two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got some AWS hitting the Midwest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we got the Osprey return.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of where it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And our, we're going to have to start picking up a pastry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's not much on this next one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The, the women's tag team title match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this was another one of them where it was like, all right, don't overstate the welcome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to go along.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They went five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with Crosse and Bane winning the titles from Babes of Rath.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A predictable, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt that Bane and Penelope were going to win the titles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It sucks for Penelope before that she got injured, but you know, you get lean across out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: More than adequate sub for her and it's still a cool team with two really big girls out there now that can work with Crosse and Bane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was an easy prediction going in and they did the thing on the pre show where we'll go to tact by cross and you know, she was working hurt so they made it a short match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, not much to say logical conclusion here for this match though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was I've been saying for months, it's about time Megan Maine got some gold and I'll all segue into something that's coming down the road right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, that'll make a couple of you smile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Megan Bain had half of the charisma that Tekella has, she would probably be world championed by now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's improved that much, I think in the last year, year and a half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Megan Bain is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she's worked hard to get better and better and better, and it definitely shows big fan of hers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so then we got Swerve and Brody King.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This match I really, really liked in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think initially I was going to give it four stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up giving like three and three quarters, but I mean, it was a solid match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at some point,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I might have put over Brody here, it's just, he needs a win a big match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that Swarov would have been hurt at all in losing here and then he could just beat him down afterwards since he's got this heel turn going on anyways and got some of his heat back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to see him go full on with Brody, you know, he gets in these big matches and then he never wins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's really got something right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the crowd was really, really behind him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, hard-hitting is the obvious descriptor of this match, but it was, I really, really like this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, this might be a little crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had a little bit more fun watching this, and I had watching Max into Keshita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was as technically smooth, definitely not, but they just beat the hell out of each other and seeing Swarve look like a completely different human being these days, picking up Brody King.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think once in doing

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you picked them up somewhat easily and tossed them into the bottom of the unexposed ring cable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like dudes just morphed into a very large individual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got some FIs chance in this, which you can always have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Smile for as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the third one count of the night, unfortunately, thankfully it stopped after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but outside of that, yeah, they just beat, they laid it into each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what made this so fun to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Brody King would have been a logical winner here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna hurt Swerv and he's a heel now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think both guys have different stories, but Brody's story could have been more compelling with a win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Brody took a vertebraicer to the floor at one point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty sick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do like how Swarve is now transitioning to using the house calls as finished more than the stop off the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Makes more sense as a heel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looks brutal every time, but he ends up winning with the stop, or sorry, the house call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's gonna go for a stop on a cinder block after the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Kenny Omega ends up running out, making the save.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that people didn't know if Kenny was going to be at the show he apparently said he wasn't going to work the show a while ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't he doing like some video game stuff street fighter?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, he ends up making the run-in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People were jack to see him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I loved the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cool as he Kenny out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really, really good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So hard hitting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go worth going out of your way to check this one out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're with a selling on the floor with the sidewalk slam by Brody on the exposed floor that look like it hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's just a lot of spots it just open your eyes, just a breath of fresh air for this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: fall this with Tecla defending the women's world title against stat lander two out of three falls match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, this was when I was looking forward to talking with you about because so I listened to unplugged last week and I was actually stunned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You weren't more of a fan of Tecla because I thought, man, she's got to be right up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jessie's alley, like the way she works is very Japan, like hard hitting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a cool character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think unique in charisma.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought going, and God, they cannot possibly put the title back on Statlander.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've been positive on Statlander throughout the history of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's very respected in the locker room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand that and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, she's not like the type you build the women's division around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Short title runs are fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's had opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's been around since the beginning of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Tecla is the hot hand right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I watch her, it just feels like

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[SPEAKER_02]: She just has something kind of like special about her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's just like a very engaging character to me right now and like one of the high points of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I mean, I really enjoyed the match and I'm glad she retained.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you're starting your opinion is starting to change on her a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know there will have as much of a back and forth but give me your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: winning the first fall last night the way that she did and she held the ropes and when she snuck out of the ring, she started to win me over with her taunt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got one and just started with this cheesy heel grin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I showed me a little something and yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think with the experience from from start-up truly helps and you can tell with a lot of the women that come over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what's what sour me out in her the last month is

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[SPEAKER_00]: her spears have not looked crisp to me at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've just looked at half-cought people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that doesn't look good to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a weak finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, yeah, I mean, like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least it was a set-up last night to a couple of stumps.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think is what it should lead into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if that's, if this is on Tecla, or if this is on her opponents with the ability not to hit

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think, and then I watched that, uh, the segment on collision the night before with Chris that lander in the belt, which came into play as well when she took the belt off of the referee, stat lander gets caught.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, I'm I'm starting to turn the the corner on Tecla, it for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think for now, she's probably the right woman to hold it.

59:11.781 --> 59:13.602
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a matter of like a Mercedes attone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're somebody else deciding to step up and take it from

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, like, you're right.

59:18.965 --> 59:25.254
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, using as a setup is fine, but it's just, it hasn't looked like a big move for her to set up her finishing sequences.

59:25.334 --> 59:34.047
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, but you know, she does, she has some, she has a repertoire of pretty impressive moves that she can use and that she's used historically.

59:34.147 --> 59:37.131
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, the stop was fine, right, finished though.

59:37.151 --> 59:43.120
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that she just

59:43.100 --> 59:47.644
[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, you know, I like to see Julie a heart get more of a push again.

59:47.664 --> 59:56.232
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when she was moving up the ranks and you know getting to that TBS title, we were big fans and then she kind of like took a step down because obviously she didn't have House of Black.

59:57.153 --> 01:00:00.896
[SPEAKER_02]: The partnership with Sky Blue is fine, but yeah, you put those two on their own.

01:00:00.956 --> 01:00:07.022
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to work, but you put them with Tecla who is this personality that just pops off the screen.

01:00:07.382 --> 01:00:08.684
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it works.

01:00:08.744 --> 01:00:12.347
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a fan of that faction that they have and her in particular.

01:00:12.715 --> 01:00:17.866
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's their stories to be told that if you want to break them up later on down the line, that'll get fans invested.

01:00:18.327 --> 01:00:19.690
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:00:20.572 --> 01:00:32.357
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, world trio's titles match, JetSpeed, and Mystico, they won the titles from the Don Calis family, Okada, Fletcher, Mark Davis.

01:00:32.377 --> 01:00:33.559
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

01:00:34.855 --> 01:00:37.699
[SPEAKER_02]: at the risk of going to hours to digest here this afternoon.

01:00:38.380 --> 01:00:42.046
[SPEAKER_02]: It was it was a good match as you would expect with all of these people in there.

01:00:42.066 --> 01:00:48.095
[SPEAKER_02]: There was there was I think the greater talking points or there had been some rumors about Kevin night possibly turning heel.

01:00:48.696 --> 01:00:50.719
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see that making any sense at all.

01:00:50.900 --> 01:00:52.482
[SPEAKER_02]: I would not turn Kevin night heel.

01:00:52.883 --> 01:00:55.767
[SPEAKER_02]: He just is a tailor made baby face to me.

01:00:55.747 --> 01:01:01.615
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, they win the titles, Mystico, who has had this career resurgence, I saw your tweet on him.

01:01:01.655 --> 01:01:08.905
[SPEAKER_02]: How can this guy go to WWE, all of a sudden have all these botches of Sincara come back years later and be at the top again like he is now.

01:01:08.925 --> 01:01:21.822
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's a living legend in Mexico, obviously, but then they put up on the screen afterwards that he's all elite officially and they talked about him being like double contracted with CMLL and NAW.

01:01:22.122 --> 01:01:26.729
[SPEAKER_02]: Just another reason to do more with CMLL and possibly forbidden door with them down the line.

01:01:26.789 --> 01:01:34.701
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was a cool moment to see mystical celebrating with his fantastic theme song playing in the crowd and Southern California singing along to it.

01:01:35.562 --> 01:01:38.747
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it was like the aftermath was a bigger story than the match itself.

01:01:39.689 --> 01:01:41.974
[SPEAKER_00]: This match was better than it had every right to be.

01:01:42.034 --> 01:01:44.880
[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest with you, I've started paying attention about halfway through.

01:01:44.900 --> 01:01:46.383
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, this is actually really good.

01:01:46.423 --> 01:01:54.860
[SPEAKER_00]: And then with Ocata and Mystico, probably the two biggest stars from Japan and Mexico respectively, I actually a little bit of a gas moment.

01:01:54.881 --> 01:01:56.003
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the crowd did too.

01:01:56.043 --> 01:01:59.570
[SPEAKER_00]: They recognized that these two legends are finally squaring off the middle of the ring.

01:01:59.590 --> 01:02:00.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see them.

01:02:00.412 --> 01:02:03.557
[SPEAKER_00]: actually get it on for maybe the inner AEW International title.

01:02:04.238 --> 01:02:04.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:04.738 --> 01:02:05.600
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that'd be fun.

01:02:05.980 --> 01:02:11.528
[SPEAKER_00]: And the sequencing dropkicks with night in Okada, I thought that was real cool, who has the better dropkick.

01:02:12.390 --> 01:02:16.776
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Davis even pulling off some stuff, like a cartwheel and a nice looking in-saguri.

01:02:17.817 --> 01:02:18.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:02:18.058 --> 01:02:20.161
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a channeling back to Aussie, open with Kyle Fletcher.

01:02:20.181 --> 01:02:20.561
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:20.942 --> 01:02:27.111
[SPEAKER_00]: It was super fun and congratulations to Mystico as well for getting the All Elite Banner and now holding a title.

01:02:27.867 --> 01:02:43.202
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, and then, you know, like there's just more and more and more bandito against Andrade who, good, God, this Andrade and what he is done with his characters has been something else.

01:02:43.222 --> 01:02:53.132
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you talk about what happened in Mystico and him going, you know, becoming Sincara and then that not work and then elevating his game against so many years later.

01:02:53.855 --> 01:03:15.643
[SPEAKER_02]: pretty much the same thing with Andrade I mean we joked about on the show he returned to WWE nobody gave a shit you could hear a penny drop what he would make his entrances at WWE Tony famously left the door open you know he never really even with punk like he hasn't closed the door even as part of the way punk left his promotion for god six I mean he doesn't really slam the door shut on many people

01:03:16.315 --> 01:03:17.356
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not everybody.

01:03:17.376 --> 01:03:21.081
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some names out there that for whatever reason can't seem to get booked to return.

01:03:21.141 --> 01:03:25.046
[SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, he leaves the door open.

01:03:25.106 --> 01:03:31.393
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when Andre left, and was at the December of last year, whatever, he's like, yeah, the door's always open.

01:03:32.034 --> 01:03:32.915
[SPEAKER_02]: So they'd bring him back.

01:03:33.496 --> 01:03:37.801
[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently this character he's doing is all his idea with the heartthrob stuff.

01:03:37.861 --> 01:03:40.004
[SPEAKER_02]: He has dreamt up all of this.

01:03:40.885 --> 01:03:44.449
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's working so well.

01:03:44.429 --> 01:03:45.912
[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd is invested in him.

01:03:46.393 --> 01:03:48.316
[SPEAKER_02]: He's having fantastic matches.

01:03:49.037 --> 01:03:51.281
[SPEAKER_02]: He beats the ROH champion here in a match.

01:03:51.321 --> 01:03:52.744
[SPEAKER_02]: It went about 21 minutes.

01:03:52.824 --> 01:03:54.347
[SPEAKER_02]: A phenomenal match.

01:03:54.367 --> 01:03:55.649
[SPEAKER_02]: I gave this one four stars.

01:03:56.891 --> 01:03:58.354
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me a thoughts, Jesse.

01:03:58.469 --> 01:03:59.330
[SPEAKER_00]: How been four and a quarter?

01:03:59.370 --> 01:03:59.991
[SPEAKER_00]: How in a little higher?

01:04:00.552 --> 01:04:00.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:00.913 --> 01:04:02.676
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, like, yeah, yeah.

01:04:02.696 --> 01:04:06.963
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, Bandito had a career year last year and this day just kind of continued it.

01:04:06.983 --> 01:04:09.507
[SPEAKER_00]: You almost wanted to see Bandito win here, almost.

01:04:09.847 --> 01:04:10.789
[SPEAKER_00]: Very similar to Brody King.

01:04:11.189 --> 01:04:14.655
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, let's get another win and see if he can, uh, vaults up the rankings.

01:04:14.735 --> 01:04:18.161
[SPEAKER_00]: But they sound dramatic, character, and both of them pulling off their trunks.

01:04:18.221 --> 01:04:19.863
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was interesting.

01:04:20.725 --> 01:04:21.646
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting play.

01:04:21.666 --> 01:04:23.970
[SPEAKER_02]: Those were some thin trunks on dry day was wearing.

01:04:24.743 --> 01:04:25.645
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say that.

01:04:25.705 --> 01:04:46.920
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that played into his character, but both of them pulling off some sweet aerial moves and I think Bandito might have pulled off one of the best moves of the night with the 21plex from Andrade being face down on the matter, like belly down on the mat, picking him up and he believed the lift him was awesome.

01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:49.584
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was just an outstanding match.

01:04:49.604 --> 01:05:08.335
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean if if this was the this kind of like main event of a dynamite people We talking about it for weeks and instead it's a match on a show that had like four of its standing matches and you know by the end of the night Maybe some people are forgetting about it, but my god is it was not the semi-main position, but two from the top and yeah

01:05:08.315 --> 01:05:12.763
[SPEAKER_02]: looking forward to the them, you know, doing a return match now probably for the ROH title.

01:05:13.704 --> 01:05:15.788
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, really, really good stuff.

01:05:15.968 --> 01:05:19.013
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I love the step through elbow.

01:05:19.815 --> 01:05:20.376
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:05:20.396 --> 01:05:20.556
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:05:21.418 --> 01:05:23.421
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really cool countering move.

01:05:24.093 --> 01:05:27.000
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, this was this was great stuff.

01:05:27.361 --> 01:05:27.702
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:05:27.823 --> 01:05:34.740
[SPEAKER_02]: So, any, I mean, you had on Drought A with the women in the crowd, obviously plans, but you know, always kind of amusing when they do that.

01:05:35.322 --> 01:05:38.049
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, was there anything else wanted to point out here?

01:05:38.229 --> 01:05:40.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I can try and take mine in a couple of weeks.

01:05:40.968 --> 01:05:44.136
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, are you, are you, are you, take it or yeah?

01:05:44.156 --> 01:05:45.680
[SPEAKER_02]: To dynamite, nice, very nice.

01:05:45.961 --> 01:05:47.384
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, I'm dry, it doesn't steal our way.

01:05:47.745 --> 01:05:48.367
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

01:05:48.968 --> 01:05:50.071
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.

01:05:50.091 --> 01:05:53.720
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's a pension for, she's not a Latin, she has a Latin verse in name.

01:05:53.901 --> 01:05:55.665
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you will.

01:05:57.550 --> 01:05:57.610
[UNKNOWN]: No.

01:05:57.742 --> 01:06:08.721
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, and then the semi-main, the only one we haven't really to chat about was the tornado six-man, Darby, Orange Cassidy, Roddy Strong, taking on the dogs, Clark Conner's David Finley, and Gabe Kid.

01:06:10.003 --> 01:06:18.417
[SPEAKER_02]: Another one where with the names involved, there was a little worry they would go too long, especially knowing it was the second to last match the night and everyone wanted to get to the main event.

01:06:18.397 --> 01:06:19.158
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.

01:06:19.178 --> 01:06:20.099
[SPEAKER_02]: They went like 12 minutes.

01:06:20.139 --> 01:06:20.920
[SPEAKER_02]: So it didn't over stay.

01:06:20.940 --> 01:06:23.263
[SPEAKER_02]: It's welcome was entertaining throughout.

01:06:23.984 --> 01:06:29.050
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you have the, the baby faces get the win there with Darby and Cassidy and and Roddy strong.

01:06:29.650 --> 01:06:32.314
[SPEAKER_02]: Strong's been getting some good reactions lately.

01:06:33.175 --> 01:06:34.076
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, would you think of this match?

01:06:34.596 --> 01:06:34.797
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:34.817 --> 01:06:35.938
[SPEAKER_00]: He just came back.

01:06:36.338 --> 01:06:39.382
[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole, uh, $15 gift card if you find Roddy.

01:06:40.644 --> 01:06:43.066
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's pretty amusing how they have that on the tron.

01:06:43.307 --> 01:06:43.527
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:06:44.063 --> 01:06:46.086
[SPEAKER_00]: Tim took my very first point right away.

01:06:46.907 --> 01:06:50.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Clark counters with that ridiculous spear on Darby Allen.

01:06:50.652 --> 01:06:50.892
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:06:51.513 --> 01:06:52.054
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

01:06:53.236 --> 01:06:53.536
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:53.776 --> 01:07:00.446
[SPEAKER_00]: And Darby being Darby, the human pinball, I've just, you got to love how he just bounces off the people and diving through that rope.

01:07:00.526 --> 01:07:01.667
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, yeah.

01:07:01.687 --> 01:07:06.214
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a one, Darby was like walking on the outside of the ring, right?

01:07:06.234 --> 01:07:07.135
[SPEAKER_02]: Like on the,

01:07:07.115 --> 01:07:10.761
[SPEAKER_02]: apron and then Connor's comes in like spears him through the ropes to the outside.

01:07:11.362 --> 01:07:13.146
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, freaking crazy dude.

01:07:13.266 --> 01:07:14.889
[SPEAKER_00]: Some super loud.

01:07:14.909 --> 01:07:17.493
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been the loudest chops of the night from Gabe Kid.

01:07:17.854 --> 01:07:19.577
[SPEAKER_00]: I so I thought that was cool to see.

01:07:19.617 --> 01:07:24.145
[SPEAKER_00]: David finally really didn't step up like he did in the first couple of six man matches.

01:07:24.345 --> 01:07:25.427
[SPEAKER_00]: So

01:07:25.407 --> 01:07:29.272
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a guy that you would think would be the de facto leader of this faction.

01:07:30.293 --> 01:07:32.736
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so early on in his AW career.

01:07:32.796 --> 01:07:34.258
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

01:07:34.398 --> 01:07:36.100
[SPEAKER_00]: I like this dominator as well.

01:07:36.140 --> 01:07:37.962
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was pretty authoritative.

01:07:38.523 --> 01:07:43.970
[SPEAKER_00]: Orange and Darby are two guys that can just make anybody look good because they're they're very slight and slender.

01:07:43.990 --> 01:07:44.971
[SPEAKER_00]: So they just boom.

01:07:45.592 --> 01:07:46.573
[SPEAKER_00]: Take that huge punishment.

01:07:46.613 --> 01:07:48.816
[SPEAKER_00]: The shocker was the face is one to me.

01:07:48.836 --> 01:07:49.997
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you felt about it.

01:07:51.462 --> 01:07:52.363
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

01:07:52.383 --> 01:07:56.909
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really have a firm feeling either way going in who would win this one.

01:07:57.089 --> 01:08:05.019
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess with the heels like the newer names in the promo shoot, it makes sense maybe to put them over over some like a guy like Darby who's a big name here and orange obviously.

01:08:05.059 --> 01:08:12.829
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know, maybe they're playing into this newfound momentum that Roddy strong appears to have since returned.

01:08:14.918 --> 01:08:21.567
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, there was also a kind of a scary moment as I recall where Darby, who was that game kid?

01:08:21.588 --> 01:08:25.794
[SPEAKER_02]: He went to hit him with a skateboard, and yeah, he hit him in the head.

01:08:25.834 --> 01:08:32.283
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was trying to hit him in the back, but he hit him, like, right across the back of the head, just kind of a little bit of a scary moment.

01:08:33.344 --> 01:08:37.530
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, at tornado, so it was wild and stuff happening all over the place.

01:08:38.371 --> 01:08:40.875
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the face is go over.

01:08:41.041 --> 01:08:54.645
[SPEAKER_00]: throw it in a part of the card and it ends up being maybe a top for match of the night and said it gets put in that main event in between the main event and then bandito and Andrade which was in my top two to three matches of the night also.

01:08:55.705 --> 01:09:06.886
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of funny when it wasn't Darby like tied up with the tag rope and he's just like hanging out over there for a long time and then the crowd was like, please save Darby or something like, or please help Darby or something.

01:09:06.966 --> 01:09:09.310
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, like you guys have been on offense a little bit.

01:09:09.330 --> 01:09:13.037
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is nobody like unhooking him over there and they ended up cutting him out?

01:09:13.057 --> 01:09:15.081
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was kind of funny.

01:09:15.061 --> 01:09:17.067
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, overall, I mean, I like the match now.

01:09:17.088 --> 01:09:19.495
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't overstay it's welcome like we said.

01:09:19.555 --> 01:09:26.538
[SPEAKER_02]: And set us up for that crazy main event that went 46 minutes and 18 seconds with MJF retaining.

01:09:26.658 --> 01:09:27.180
[SPEAKER_02]: So.

01:09:28.105 --> 01:09:42.046
[SPEAKER_02]: I am looking forward to watching Dynamite Wednesday night, believe they're in Fresno, California, and then you have a couple of weeks, they'll be up in Minnesota, they'll have a collision down in Iowa, we'll be there live and talk about our experiences here on the show in a couple of weeks, which should be fun.

01:09:42.126 --> 01:09:54.906
[SPEAKER_02]: But we'll try to be on the air more regular now, as we hit our groove, scheduling has been a bit of an issue with our families and kids and activities and stuff.

01:09:54.886 --> 01:09:59.757
[SPEAKER_02]: Always fun to hook up and do another flagship Jesse and we're going to keep the stuff coming on the Patreon side.

01:10:00.859 --> 01:10:04.768
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01:10:04.868 --> 01:10:06.872
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01:10:07.333 --> 01:10:10.921
[SPEAKER_00]: It the only positive thing out of this is at least he's going to be able to hear this podcast.

01:10:11.462 --> 01:10:14.970
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01:10:41.731 --> 01:10:45.199
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it's going to be a little quicker than it took for this one.

01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.603
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jesse, it's been a blast my friend.

01:10:47.804 --> 01:10:49.868
[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you jumping on with me.

01:10:50.337 --> 01:11:06.253
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01:11:17.231 --> 01:11:21.417
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01:11:22.138 --> 01:11:25.504
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01:11:26.185 --> 01:11:26.786
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