AEW WrestleDream Review, Did Moxley & Darby Go Too Far?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, it is new time!

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[SPEAKER_00]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better the will be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back here in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The boom of the clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not rich, dude.

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[SPEAKER_03]: episode three hundred and ninety eight of top rope nation you have two distracted individuals at the moment for ten completely different reasons I am your host this evening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jesse Velaskas is Ryan Drosty is either just getting home from Chicago or is in root as we speak.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, when the host is away, the boys will play.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Justin joint, how are you on this wonderful Sunday evening?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am doing pretty damn good, my distractions lie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be a pretty unique episode here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we get some people in the chat because I've got the 49ers on the TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be talking pro wrestling with my buddy Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I am in the midst of my MBA fantasy draft right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in round seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one minute interval.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's got shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to just took the guy I was going to take next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going hot and heavy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is incredible, so literally I've been asked to be the Brett Hart 1992 WWE of Summerslam version on this evening and I think I can do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been I've been zeroing in on Russell Dream since last night even with with the young man here up until early this evening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very fortunate enough to wear.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching him or excuse me, he's at my house tomorrow night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: she has in tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I got a little more emphasis.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've less distractions and we are off and running.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you make another pick Justin?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm far away here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm like, it looks like I'm going to need a forward or a center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of the, the two positions that are,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the least amount of depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to do here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're F.C.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's available?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, O.J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and O.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is still out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to stay healthy this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the team again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just gets into your office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got momentary folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got eight in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do need a center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nas is still out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if he could fall to me at 73.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think I'm going to wait on I'm going to wait on a center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 40 seconds here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody who came here to listen to professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The power of EW wrestle dream in the NBA draft or excuse me, the fantasy NBA draft as we speak.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cashies to love these back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's take a swing and hope OG states healthy this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going OG.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that is coming off for the moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: While you are in ponder and thought, Justin, as always, like we do on this show, AEW Wrestle Dream was last night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying it was Missouri.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Grade four, the show, A through F. Why tell you what, when the show ended?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a pretty easy A for me because it just left me on such a high and granted it was, you know, 1130 central time and I was deliriously tired and possibly half drunk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's none of your business listeners don't ask me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there just wasn't very many duds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not a perfect show by any means, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was pretty consistent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of done with with the AW paper views are too long talking point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we just need to be over that at this point because that's what happens every single fucking time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go A minus.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I toggle back and forth between a couple.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to knit pick tonight just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: B plus is is my grade.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think top to bottom consistently, this might have been the most consistent paper view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: AEW has done this year, top to bottom 2025.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think from a star rating perspective, it wavered much between the top match and the low.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually had a lot of the matches, just first view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the lowest I went was either 2.5 or 2.75 and the highest I went was between 4 and a quarter and 4.5.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So everything fell kind of in that central bubble.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how you felt about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, you know, one of the things I like about AW is kind of no matter what kind of professional wrestling you like, you're going to get at least one match on their paper views that should hit that sweet spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this paper view is no different in that regard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have the kind of the high velocity, let's do every single maneuver kind of matches, spamming finishers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a little bit more of a classic pro wrestling match in my opinion, with the men's world title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had, you know, the main event was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was just a little bit for everybody there, which is kind of a W's calling card at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When do you agree?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not just that three women's matches that I felt were anywhere from solid to very good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say there wasn't that one over the top women's match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think one thing we'll talk about kind of middle in the middle of the show was in my eyes how all three tag matches were the ones that stood out

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the AW tag division's back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Tony's been doing a hell of a job since I would say late spring, at least by all in, he's been putting in the work to really, I mean, I would say the tag division is almost as strong as it's ever been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's still working on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have yet to see what's going to be going on with, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so distracted, but the scissor guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The acclaimed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're going to actually team back up, but yeah, the tag division's really strong right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just thinking about the acclaimed today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Funny enough, as I was, see, my son was like in the midst of building.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I usually have one earbutton.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And for whatever reason, I don't know why I did this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I threw on

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[SPEAKER_03]: The acclaimed happened to be taken on Swerving Keith Lee in that match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was at the height of the acclaimed, and they're not just the fan of, actually, yeah, was the height of their fandom too, because Holy Hell was at Chicago crowd and incredibly hot for them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're not even in the conversation right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, should we start with either the main event or the World Heavyweight Championship match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, that's a good call because I think the most interesting thing going forward storyline wise came out of the men's championship match, but uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's, let's start from the top because, you know, like I said, that, oh, it's time for me to draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let's see here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do I need?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of at the utility bench portion of the evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, reach shepherds out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does anybody think reach shepherds going to have a good year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan pool will moving to New Orleans, reignite him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keegan Murray of Iowa looks like he's injured.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we want him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Herb Jones loved me some herb Jones, but I don't know if that is the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to go and Yucca, O'Kongu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Professional wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he related to Cheki O'Kongu from the Tennessee Titans?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Go on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about Darby and Moxley in the I quit match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Your thoughts, the presentation, the violence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I am not one of these tied around the collar people who get upset about the violence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: going in, I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned that they would go over the top, you know, being said it's these two guys, but there really wasn't as much blood in a lot of the violence was kind of left more to your imagination, because I think the part that I cringed at the most was the the finger spot where in my head he was jamming that thing into his fingernails, you know, that's what I was thinking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and I was really cringing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They put it like you really couldn't see what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I thought that was no perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that Darby won and the look on his face of just pure elation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought was just absolutely perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, old man staying dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the sting that I wish we would have had for the entire A, W, run, just looks wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about here, because it just would have differentiated a more from the past dings and, you know, and I'm one of those people's like, once you go gray, just just accept it, just embrace the gray, you know, don't try and live in a past life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, man, I, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just got a kick out of that entire match, you know, the death writer into the chair, the death writer into the table's fucking Claudio with the absolute spot on toss of Darby on the table outside, which was made even better visually by the table, not breaking and Darby just bouncing off the goddamn thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really can't say enough for that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moxley is, I mean, he's the ace of A.W.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go from the very beginning, Jericho is the first champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kenny is absolutely beloved, but John Moxley is one who is the anchor of that promotion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he just proved it more even here on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, man, I, I thought I, I, I will say, considering all the violence, we've seen lately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with the maybe not doing, you know, because you know, the hangman match at all then, you know, we had the lights out at forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I'm okay with a little break for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious as to what Darby does next because he kind of climbed the mountain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was 0 in 5 against Mox before last night and he finally got that first big win with a sharp shooter no less things move and it really felt like a passing to the torch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with sting handing the bat over Darby and Darby using that and a great visual with Darby dragging the bat into the water and then pointing it at mocks and there's just water dripping down from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, I'm sure we'll talk about match to the night, but God damn, that one's way up there for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you like the water spot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really dig into the believability of it all because, actually, of course, I mean, you're not going to drown somebody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, like, you put them in there for six, seven seconds and you pull them up like a, you're going to quit yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You could literally just stuff the guy's head, 20, 25 seconds and drown them, but I mean, of course you're not going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the whole point of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's to inflict enough violence where somebody finally says enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's hoping that was going to be the breaking point for Darby's like, fuck's this guy going to kill me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, you know, with Darby's, he was not going to quit in this match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's a whole story of everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is just Darby and his Adam Mentium style, just getting through everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote that Grandpa Sting was a choice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did enjoy it though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to admit I had a big ol' smile on my face.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Part of me was wishing it was Brian Danielson.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's been a year since Russell Dream, since he lost his title and was technically retired.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How could you not pop for that moment?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there was nobody there to rescue Darby Allen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was there by himself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The apps obviously had just turns.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You knew they weren't coming to help out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yet, Osprey on the shelf, swerve on the shelf.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Darby was pretty much by himself at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this was definitely the appropriate choice if it wasn't going to be Brian Danielson.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the other thing for me was,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think with all of these spots and just like who's going to quit, who's going to quit?

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[SPEAKER_03]: To me, a bat shot, a couple of bat shots, then the, was it the scorpion death drop into the coffin drop into the scorpion death lock?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I almost felt like in a weird way that wasn't enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he almost should have, in a hangman way, I know this maybe is like

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[SPEAKER_03]: repeating history.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like hung him out to dry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe that's John Moxie's Achilles heel is he's a freight choking and that's the best way to get him to tap out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they kind of did that twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was the spot earlier when he flung him over the rope and there was the eye poke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did it right before the scorpion

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[SPEAKER_01]: Deathlock so I I was pretty okay with how everything went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to make a fucking pick here Got damn it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know I'll just keep going while you make this pick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just it was slightly anti-climactic just for me Especially with I think the way the match was structured from start to finish and it's just some of the gruesome and the craziness that we saw

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[SPEAKER_03]: which the right winner, this was so obvious, Darby needed to win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He got up the shnide just like you said.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he can move on to what is the question, because you have a face champion right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, oh, shn, no, let's ask you this question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about blood and guts for the women here on November the 11th.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I personally don't want to see a men's blood and guts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are they going to resort to this as a final chapter for Darby Moxley?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was this the final chapter?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you think Darby goes from here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think there's really going to be a final chapter in the sense that the death writers are just going to like disappear or

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[SPEAKER_01]: or just like stop as a faction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's gonna be, I think this kind of was the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as far as the blood and guts, the only way that I won't mind if it continues or excuse me, if there is, I was drafting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took Tories and if anybody's interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way I would be okay with a men's and women's,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is they got to go old school with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been my constant complaint with modern day board games matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the first 20 minutes don't fucking matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just like they fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody gets in there and then the match is basically resets with energy bars back up to full.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they go back and they are sub 25 minute matches or right around that area, I think you can do too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but that's the only case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got to go old school, keep them violent, keep them short, which was the magic of the original war games, because everything mattered.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was what maybe four minutes after the last person would come into the ring, that's when the match would end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That happened a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of those traditional war game senses, but everything, I think, just the way the pro wrestling industry is evolved over the last 25, 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I said, they try to evolve and it's almost better just to stick to the original script, especially in this aspect of things and I guess I'll go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess the only other thing for me is that even talking about this paper view, it's like the matches were good, but there were some with the women's matches that were just kind of lacking for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the women's war games or the blood and guts, that they have a lot to do to really get me invested in that, whereas there's a couple different storylines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they could go with for the men's that would be a little bit more interesting, which is why it possibly I'm just a little bit more okay with maybe them doing two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually just thought of this as well, who's left for who's going to team with Darby?

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[SPEAKER_03]: If this were the case, if you're going against the Death Riders, what's left?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think there is still some come-up in that orange needs as far as the Death Riders go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he was a big part of when that storyline started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they had the pre-show match on this one

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, either that or you do something with the Don call us family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot going on there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not to diverge too much, but what did you think about the women's matches on this show?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked them all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were solid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't one that was over the over the top spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, let's just bounce around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with Mercedes Monet first, because that was the one I was the most underwhelmed by.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Out of the three.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was really, it was anti-climactic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they put on a pretty good wrestling clinic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know what I think of Mercedes, channeling Ultimo Dragon and her now having 11 championships win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of them now is the Ring of Honor television championship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's not going to go on to YouTube or honor club and defend that thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just don't really understand where this is going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of hoping it was going to be Athena

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[SPEAKER_03]: defeating her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I can also understand why people don't want Athena there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You probably want the proper build.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess give you thoughts on Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, again, I didn't really care about that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wasn't invested at all, partly because it came out from nowhere and partly because when Mercedes came out for a moment, I thought it was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because I knew she was going to be on the card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew she basically had a match against the champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for a second, I was like, oh, did she fennaggle something where she's going to take on Statlander and, you know, that's going to be the next title that she adds to her repertoire?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so I got kind of excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously that was not the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I got upset because I did not like the way they treated Statlander with Mercedes basically just chewing her away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought was incredibly lame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of made up for that at the end of the Mercedes and Mena match, but yeah, I like all the championship stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like, you know, the Ultimo name on Mercedes, none of that really bothers me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think if you're going to do Athena, that needs to be something you build to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that would, you know, that's kind of the big question as far as women's division is who's going to be the one to kind of unseat Mercedes at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think what they're almost alluding to, and we're gonna stick with the women here, is with Chris that lander Mercedes Monet looking like it's gonna be a full-gear match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The question is, like, which championships are gonna be up for grabs?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're almost putting this on pause because the AWS Women's Tag Team Championships bracket will be revealed Wednesday night on dynamite too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I have to think that a lot of the women that we've been seeing on TV are gonna be featured in that thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So in a sense, you're almost putting certain things to a halt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that just puts the soul focus right now on Chris that lander in Mercedes Monae Singles-Wise.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of what I see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think you nailed it, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't really have a whole lot else on the like I said for some reason the the ladies just didn't really get me on this car and I as far as the matches I think I like the least it would have been the Mercedes match the Jamie the Jamie, the Jamie hater match and just because of you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: my own personal preferences as far as, well, should I, friend about the, uh, the six man with the demand and Hertz and the kit, which is holy shit, is that few just completely cooled off both of those teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still upset that Hertz and the kit haven't lost an actual match to the brodito.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was going to say that the, uh, drastic express match is also one that it was just a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying I disliked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but those were kind of the matches that didn't really hit for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Storm and Stattlander, I liked and most of that is just because Tony is so locked into her character and when a professional wrestler gets to this level where they're this locked in, it literally translates into their matches and you can tell they're not trying to wrestle a match

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[SPEAKER_01]: A certain, I don't know, that's not the right way to say this, they're in the ring as their character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're wrestling as their character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how locked in they are in that to me, just that's like the top top level is when you're when you're that locked in when you're that over with the character and that's what Tony is so almost no matter whatever she does, it's going to work for me right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It carried in a crystal and there's Chris Stattlander's performance too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought she was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this match was some of the stuff that she was doing and just they they work really well together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Something I didn't I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was they alluded to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first singles match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These two have had.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I was so hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was the heart of the fatal four way of course last last paper view cycle at all out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yes, this was the first singles match between the two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I bought Chris that lander past it with flying colors.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know Tony Storm's not going to be hurt by anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Her character at this point is almost indestructible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she looked great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think with her in Mina now, with their, with their promo, just wondering, well, we just lost everything, but at least we have each other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think they're probably going to be heading into the Women's Tag Title Tournament and either winning it or at least being in the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that giving

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in my opinion, your top woman in immediate direction after, you know, not winning the world title, you know, not being in that main event level, you immediately give her interaction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which will tie this in because Jamie Hader defeated Teclo to, in, in a technology open this show, I'll get to that after we talk about the women.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a good physical match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was a little bit confused.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did feel that Teclo would have been better off winning this match just because Chris that lander right now is devoid of heal opponents, but then now they're going to throw him Mercedes Monet into this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And with blood and guts coming up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and Jamie Hader, TechLab being featured in this situation with Sky Blue and Julia Hart and Queen Ammonanas.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You got three on two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll figure out the rest of the women later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This thing's not over between them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think it would have been nice to see TechLab get a win here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Jamie would have been hurt by it in the process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The women's division outside of Mercedes is lacking some depth as far as

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heal opponents goes for your real champ, especially when you're a world champ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of feels like the third or fourth, most important woman on the roster when you really want to be giving her some good opponents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna be interesting to see what they do there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm a little bit confused by that direction, but after blooding guts, they'll be able to clear that up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming so full gear would be,

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[SPEAKER_03]: So November 11th is when the blood and guts is, so it would probably be full gear would either be the 16th, no, the 15th or the 22nd of November.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if that's something we could look up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope it's November 22nd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be lovely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Zac gives you some space to be able to throw some extra matches on the card and go from there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Google it, and it just does not give me an immediate answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bastards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is November 22nd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it gives them a little extra.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It gives them an extra week to kind of surface some things together and figure out what you're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is going to go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I miss something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They already have two matches listed for full gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Statement on Wikipedia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Statement on the other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a big boom AJ in TBA versus repungive ice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I did tease on the pre-show or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he big boom was also on last year's little gear guard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Statlander in Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty fucking huge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's massive, and they wrestled it full of your last year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, just gonna be a, yeah, revisiting what happened a year ago where both of those matches were excellent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We felt that the first match was better than the second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But nonetheless, these two have really good chemistry, and we'll just see what type of stipulations they throw in there too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One thing that we're gonna announce right now, and I'm sorry in advance for doing this Ryan, but he is now a wrestling observer news letter Hall of Fame voter Your thoughts Justin

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[SPEAKER_03]: Any other thoughts just before we roll on to the rest of the paper view?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's go to, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love the hell out of this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Give me your thoughts on the paper that you're starting with the end of the FTR versus Jet Speed match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chef's kiss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we've been waiting for this to happen in forever to the point where like, when it actually happened,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, has this happened before?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it should have happened before because I was done when they announced the pre-show card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was four matches in you, and we know how Tony gives his guys in Lady's time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only have an hour for four matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the first match took up almost a half an hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, who something's going on here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially when it started looking like it was going to be FTR and in jet speed that we're going to close the pre show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I mean, I guess that could be a short match just because like it could tease what these guys could really do given time, but I mean, I fucking loved it man with that show starting with all four of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: trading punches with the fireworks going off on the stage chefs chef chef's case perfect known as this has never been done on shot American paper view have shocking shocking I cannot believe that so this is something brand-spanking new so just because I was curious I served both sides of the social media

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[SPEAKER_03]: And one side of course was pro this, I'm pro this, God.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, the other side was anti and you can guess exactly which ones they were.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, patreon.com slash top prop nation, quite a few of those will be featured on the next tier and unplugged it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's will be ready for that one as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's non-traditional.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I threw this in the coin as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is probably the only time I'm going to mention the WWE in this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Suppose you start a PLE with the ending of, let's just say, the same quality of that Sammy Zane, Ilya Dragonoff match that was on SmackDown on Friday night, which is being called one of the best TV matches in the WWE this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ilya wins the United States championship by the way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why not feature that under PLE to kick it off right away?

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[SPEAKER_03]: the fucking fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, especially you think about, it's like, especially with teams like FTR and JetSpeed and you're trying to sell your paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a portion of people that are gonna be like, oh, you're just gonna piss people off because they wanted to see that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, them by the fucking paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or fucking steal it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do whatever you have to do to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I absolutely loved it and those guys did exactly what they needed to do to kickstart that paper for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the other anti-fam what I saw was that it's just breaking tradition.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're thinking like boxing UFC, all the combat sports, like they open the show with a proper match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've never opened a show proper with the ending of something that was on the prelimbs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, okay, get over it, wrestling's evolving right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the way that I feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The arguing tradition is the dumbest and most weak-minded argument you could possibly fucking come up with to argue against what they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as they don't overdo this, if it's like a once every few years kind of thing, it's something that you should do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like why should matches just end right before the paper view starts, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: doing this kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have the right match and the right people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, FTR has been killing it this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm or as soon as we're done podcasting, I'm ordering a FTR shirt along with two other ones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that 10 star FTR would be pretty sweet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jet speed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are an up and coming tag team with Kevin Knight, who I think once he breaks off

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[SPEAKER_03]: he can just latch on to a character, that guy's got a future.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we all know Mike Bailey's like, the king, and I'm gonna say this in the best way, the king of enhancing others, enhancing talent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, good enough to beat a midcarder, but not good enough to break into that upper echelon because of the strength of his character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But in terms of what he brings into the ring, there are not many people on that roster that are as good as him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's exactly what you want in your midcard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's unique as both a character and a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to break into the top tier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nor do I really want him to at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to show a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's an exciting wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: 110%.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, tremendous ending to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually when we're done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go watch the beginning of the match because I haven't watched yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, there's no good time for me to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about it while we're talking about the actual match, but I just have to share my favorite skeet about the show from last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was in regards to John Moxley and Darby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just backtrack just a tiny little bit because this, like I said, my my favorite social media interaction, our buddy, your your why should say our buddy, a former guest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of unplugged, Trevor Dame, the man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He skied it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mox, if you keep getting Darby wet, he's going to multiply, and then if you feed him 45 minutes from now, it's going to be a whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely fucking loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Darby is Grimlins.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I could totally see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He also said, uh, this main event is going to be really the AW versus the Missouri Athletic Commission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you really didn't turn out to be in my opinion, I know that I know that nerd that used to work with AW got all fucking up and arms about the drowning thing, but come on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess, and I didn't think to close this chapter as well, they're showing this

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's also assuming if your response will parent, your kid's going to be in bed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What even be on that, man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if your kid sees something like that on TV, and this goes even beyond just professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they think they should do that to another kid or something else, you have failed as a parent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so many other departments that a professional wrestling

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that is just, be I, you know, maybe this makes me bad at, I showed my kid because I'm not fucking worried about him going in drowning or trying to drown one of his kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My, my four-year-old son, I think we're going to move on to the next tag team match after this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's, he'll go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, go, you finish.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I just said that he's like, like, all weekend long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've been playing outside.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been really into puzzles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now he's like loving multiplication.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So doing those types of things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But in the middle of breaks, whatever reason he's like, let's watch videos.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He kept going back to, and I sent it to you guys in the group chat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Eddie Kingston, Tomo Hero, ECE 30 second shot fest for me, W all out, 2022.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was just fascinated by it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but I bet you're not going to show him Derby Mox because he is not of that agent just like I'm not going to show my three year old that you know my older son I feel more confident in who he is and in his ability to digest this kind of stuff you know I don't it's so ridiculous you know fuck it I'm going to get real personal here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just because I don't think these people listen to the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a family member who just this year decided that they are not going to let their kids participate in Halloween because they think it's going to teach them about death and

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[SPEAKER_01]: very religious and I don't have a problem with faith, but it's just to me it's like question number one would be growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about Halloween?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did it make you think those things?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or was it just a fun night to dress up and get free candy with your friends?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and I'm sorry, I'm fucking, you know, fuck it, it's Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's have some fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're taking them to church and they're staring at an image of a man nailed to crucifix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're worried about Halloween teaching them about death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wires are getting crossed in society and so many people are just, I don't know, man, we've kind of lost our way when it comes to especially social media and having to share everything and

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrestling with your friends and you still knew like to be safe at a certain extent like you're we're not trying to hurt each other, you know, I don't know, it's just all, it's also ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably shouldn't have gotten into that, but it's been on my mind lately and I had a few beers earlier.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So here by the way, Sunday night, we haven't done this in a while, what's in the glass?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because I had a couple beers, I just poured a tiny glass and I've been sipping on of G&T.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm almost in your boat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do have some Hendrix inside this gator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at you, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had to do it for tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, I took a decent amount of notes and I was heavily prepared for what I was going to say this evening, especially with the diet type about what we're going to be doing in the future, really wanting to step up to the plate on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think we've waited too long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we need to talk about the men's world championship match So we're gonna go all the way down to the bottom and then we're gonna work our way up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean let's jump around You know, this has been a fun show not like house a pain by the way I'm gonna I'm gonna close the Halloween section you know, so my my my my my son's section with this to so he

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he didn't hit me all weekend long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was just the usual playful stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He like he knows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just like, mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't teach him those types of things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm a responsible parent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then when it comes to Halloween, go ahead, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was going, I mean, that was my whole point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of, when I get into my ramblings, I lose my way, which is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If your kid sees Moxley dunking Darby into a tank, and you think they might actually do that to another kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you worried about your kid going out for Halloween and learning about death and think that Satan is coming, you failed already.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Halloween for me was always about candy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and dressing up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like you said, it's my son's mom's favorite holiday by a mile.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's been teaching me a lot about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll close with this too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we have been invited.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first time ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am actually, as people know, I am Hispanic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to

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[SPEAKER_03]: We celebrate the dead, they have shrines, it's really effing cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you really want to do your history, but like into how they celebrate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: people who have parish on to bigger and better things, hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then, yeah, like, do your due diligence and do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually wrote an article like six, seven years ago about the five best Hispanic wrestlers that are no longer living.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote it on dailydbt.com.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll probably throw it in the group for top rope nations, so you can take a look at it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like El Santo, Eddie Guerrero,

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[SPEAKER_03]: you name it, like the legends of Yesteryear.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And also just kind of the history of what Dila Dia de los Muertos means in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't want to do your due diligence, at the very least watch Coco, because it's a fucking beautiful movie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody just told me they watched that yesterday, funny enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I fucking balled like a baby at that movie dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta see it, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful, a beautiful movie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in on that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely in on that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm gonna focus down here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna talk about, hey, man, page, Samoa Geo, heavyweight championship match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and paying man, of course, retained.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It took three bookshot lyrics to do the damn thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Justin, did you like the presentation of the match?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the after theatrics with Mr. Samoa Joe and the ops all turning heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it at the beginning of the pod about what A.W.

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[SPEAKER_01]: does with their paper views button, giving you different kinds of matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This felt like an old school, just a professional wrestling match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and when you have professionals like Samoa Joe and hangman page, uh, delivering that product to you, I don't know how it could be bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing bad going into this match was the obvious winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no way, hangman was going to lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually thinking about this earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wish that MJF wouldn't have been such an asshole and would have dropped the title to Swerve instead of insisting it had to be Samoa Joe,

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[SPEAKER_01]: For one, just because it would have given Swerve a longer rain, but also because I think it maybe you would have bought into the possibility of a Samoa Joe championship at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that he's going to be a two time AW champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Having said all that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: love the match and Franklin excited for a juiced up version of what we just got with the heel turn, which I thought was excellently executed to quote a certain Canadian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's still going to have the problem of we know who's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we think they carry this to full gear?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of hope they do just because

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, we just, we have to appreciate things we have while we have them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Samoa Joe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is fucking insane that it is the year of our lower 2025 and this dude is still going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at the caliber that he is going and we don't know, just like with Brian, he could just drop off at any second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so let's let's fucking be thankful that we still get banger fucking Samoa Joe matches in many events right now that we're getting and to get a heal Samoa Joe against hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for it, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: The match was a solid, of course.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they had to turn Samoa Joe heel, I mean, the ops by default as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because hangman right now doesn't have really any contenders on the heel side of the thing, so ready made.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not quite a replay of his run in 2021.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a much more established character now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: AW, though, is starting to fall into a little bit of this trap, and I do understand it with the gimmick match is main eventing ahead of the World Heavyweight title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Some people might take it as the gimmick matches are more important than the World Heavyweight title, like the five on five was a lights out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been putting the lights out at the end of these shows for six years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's been a staple of AW.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They threw the Iquitt match here,

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[SPEAKER_03]: on this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hangman Kyle Fletcher did main event all out like it should have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just always think of if you truly are the guy, you should be closing the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hangman truly is the guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just been a kind of a victim of circumstances.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Give me some of your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think you nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is concerning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to a low degree that he's your man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is not many venting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you think back to CM Punk being champion and what was that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that 2012 when John Cena was fucking many venting every paper view against John Louranitis or some bullshit like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is not like that, but obviously, that's what I'm kind of thinking about a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In this case, you can definitely see why they may be held off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was Darby's moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to keep that kind of violent of a match on as late as possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it hasn't really bothered me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I certainly have had it in the back of my mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If two more paper views left in 2025, hey, man, should may have been on both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: agree, and I'm still waiting for that ladies world title match to main event of paper review though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I went Tony and Mariah didn't make an event in March.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was very disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And at that time, this was probably done with me to say I said that they won't main event of paper review for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was like the golden opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if a match that Mark Mark he's going to be able to do it again, unless

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, unfortunately, maybe to the secret of hangman, if they finally crown Mercedes as real champ, a full gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they put that on last against that lander?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I say to the Shagrin of Hangman, Hangman does not give a shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the guy who goes out of his way to call up the men's world championship, you know, not just the world championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I just, I watched that 30 minute doc on him, which is pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, nothing groundbreaking by any means, but it's just one of those like, you watch and it's like, yep, that's exactly who I thought Adam Page was, good dude.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they've been doing a lot of commentary, mentioning men's and women's world titles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been that way, so I think since Hangman won it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think this discussion will be down the road would be nice to have, where you kind of dig into Hangman's lack of contenders at this point and what do you do about it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What, uh, because I think my preference is just because of my love of Samoa Joe, um, would you drag this out to full gear or get it done a little earlier?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You, I think you have to drag it out to full gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There really isn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll call I get to do a couple more options a little bit later down the road here, but yeah, I don't really think there's too much else that you could probably put on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is, you know, obviously, it puts a spotlight on this new Heel Samoa Joe, but that also benefits powerhouse hubs, which I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to keep him in the spotlight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see this new powerhouse heal character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a carry is on, Hobbes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: gets an opportunity to grow from this, maybe get a world title shot on TV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's had one of those before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, against Moxley and Cincinnati, wasn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not too far off from the New Year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, and like I said a couple of times, I think Samoa Joe, in terms of my favorites, all time is in my top 10.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love his work, it's timeless, TNA, ROH.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I talk about the Kenna Kenza Kovashi match almost weekly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She said it again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, definitely true Samoa Joe fan here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Shrew up out of the match, potentially of the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we have at least two matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to at least touch on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, bro Dito, Kolkata Takeshita, world tag team titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to rewatch it because that was one that was right at I finally had to put the the boy down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I let him stay up late to watch as much as the show as possible, but I had to pause it and for whatever reason when I restarted it I was watching on HBO Max and it was just kind of glitching a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the smallest of what like the frame rate wasn't quite where you want it to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of distracting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even with that distracting, I still fucking was loving what I was seeing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bandito and Brody King, getting a win against the caliber of opponents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of Ohkata and Takeshita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, talk about, you know, saying something about a team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you make a fucking statement.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy they didn't pin Takeshita because he's now, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He has a champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got to go there and be the ace of that company for a little

56:46.013 --> 56:49.237
[SPEAKER_03]: So I put you on the spot and who is pinned him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In A, W. Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So is this one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Kyle Fletcher in the C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And God, I don't think I can get the other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it more obvious in Kyle Fletcher in the C2?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about more obvious, but, and I don't even know if, actually, here's the big dead giveaway.

57:19.381 --> 57:23.707
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if he was in the company when he got pinned by this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Danielson?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't think he was.

57:28.453 --> 57:28.953
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that was that forbidden door, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is correct.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Danielson broke his arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah, I don't think he was officially with AW.

57:39.407 --> 57:43.712
[SPEAKER_01]: I might be wrong there, but I don't think so.

57:44.333 --> 57:47.796
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben, Ben Dito by the way has been a big deal in 2025.

57:47.816 --> 58:04.671
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you can almost say he's neck and neck with somebody that we're going to talk about a little bit later for probably in-ring performer of the year, but they're going to run this back on Dynamite on Wednesday night for the unified title, O'Cottavro Dito.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's fucking go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to be six, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All unified championship matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of those, that could probably go Broadway.

58:16.521 --> 58:17.662
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want Bandito to lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

58:20.747 --> 58:25.834
[SPEAKER_01]: The nice thing about Bandito is that, like, God, he just kind of feels bulletproof right now.

58:26.254 --> 58:29.078
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, what's his finishing maneuver called?

58:29.539 --> 58:30.500
[SPEAKER_03]: The 21 Plex.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he went for that the first time and couldn't do it because of his shoulder, and then he did it, finally pulled it off the second time with one arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That fucking guy, man.

58:41.014 --> 58:41.875
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.

58:42.316 --> 58:43.838
[SPEAKER_01]: Bandito, dude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the man, move of the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was I one arm, 21, Plex, two, okay.

58:49.863 --> 58:50.384
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.

58:51.225 --> 58:53.329
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really dug this match.

58:54.410 --> 58:59.598
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in a huge part of that, it's just because I fucking love everybody involved in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just the execution of it was about spot on

59:06.751 --> 59:14.320
[SPEAKER_01]: giving your world tag team champions that kind of spotlight win over, you know, Takeshino Kata.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

59:17.003 --> 59:17.523
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Loved it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to show this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not change my name.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am not Ryan Drossie to not go ball.

59:25.593 --> 59:30.919
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not go ball.

59:31.439 --> 59:38.046
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I was just way too lazy and trying to do certain things here on the on the YouTube stream to to change my name.

59:38.066 --> 59:39.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't even notice that.

59:39.929 --> 59:40.529
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am.

59:41.650 --> 59:43.793
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I had to represent Ryan for tonight.

59:43.873 --> 59:49.599
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's he message just I have not looked at it yet, but yeah, this match was fantastic.

59:49.840 --> 59:54.485
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved the macarena spot with the double middles from Ocata.

59:54.505 --> 59:54.645
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and then at the end, I'm trying to do the Mach Arena.

59:56.939 --> 01:00:01.244
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was kind of, let's super, just super funny thing.

01:00:01.544 --> 01:00:06.009
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, there was just so much action in this match.

01:00:06.289 --> 01:00:12.075
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm only gonna ask this once, because I mean, this has been a staple of AWS for six years.

01:00:12.876 --> 01:00:18.582
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's happened, I think, in almost every match where there was a no sell of something.

01:00:18.602 --> 01:00:23.687
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think the no selling's getting to be a little bit too much or you just kind of, yeah?

01:00:24.443 --> 01:00:25.324
[SPEAKER_03]: is what it is now.

01:00:25.364 --> 01:00:36.118
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what we get with a W. It depends on the match because like in this match, it didn't really bother me.

01:00:36.578 --> 01:00:49.354
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, and not that it bothered me, but it left me a little bit cooler again with Jurassic Express version on the box.

01:00:49.958 --> 01:00:59.448
[SPEAKER_01]: and maybe just because I'm not quite as interested in those teams, but yeah, for me, that's just a case by case scenario.

01:01:01.029 --> 01:01:01.710
[SPEAKER_03]: Very fair.

01:01:01.990 --> 01:01:07.857
[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna, you segue it perfectly, which means we're gonna end on a high note with a match I wanna talk about as well.

01:01:08.357 --> 01:01:12.541
[SPEAKER_03]: Young bucks, Luchessaurus and Jungle Boy Jack Perry Jurassic Express.

01:01:12.561 --> 01:01:13.563
[SPEAKER_03]: There's still one more after this.

01:01:14.043 --> 01:01:14.664
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:01:14.684 --> 01:01:17.106
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where I wanna end on the high note.

01:01:17.807 --> 01:01:17.907
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:01:18.275 --> 01:01:26.026
[SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely popped with a young bucks and trints and how they are down to 32 dollars in their bank account.

01:01:26.047 --> 01:01:26.547
[SPEAKER_03]: That was good.

01:01:26.567 --> 01:01:27.328
[SPEAKER_03]: It just hit him.

01:01:27.348 --> 01:01:34.098
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it came out to the theme music of insufficient funds for foreign insurance.

01:01:35.641 --> 01:01:38.545
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Jesse, can I, can I, can I?

01:01:39.115 --> 01:01:41.117
[SPEAKER_01]: punch back at you a little bit.

01:01:42.058 --> 01:01:54.671
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I listen to your unplugged and I like the cash gimmick for matches, especially because it works so well with what they're doing with the young bucks right now.

01:01:55.492 --> 01:01:56.333
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole point.

01:01:56.413 --> 01:02:02.760
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it loses its effect if you just do it all the time, but because like that's the

01:02:03.601 --> 01:02:12.573
[SPEAKER_01]: entire storyline with the young bucks right now is that they're either broke or if they have money, they don't know how to spend it or they blow it all gambling.

01:02:12.593 --> 01:02:14.415
[SPEAKER_01]: I dig it.

01:02:14.996 --> 01:02:23.988
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just some, it's such a simple, unoffensive stipulation to add to a match that doesn't really affect anything in a major way.

01:02:24.128 --> 01:02:25.810
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just for the storyline.

01:02:26.772 --> 01:02:29.355
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with him carrying this on for a little while.

01:02:30.483 --> 01:02:32.266
[SPEAKER_03]: I like this variation.

01:02:32.566 --> 01:02:36.311
[SPEAKER_03]: Just tell me why the other five, six, seven matches before this.

01:02:36.371 --> 01:02:38.414
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was just a complete afterthought.

01:02:38.474 --> 01:02:44.262
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody's gone crazy with any money and nobody's given me any explanations on how their money was spent.

01:02:44.743 --> 01:02:52.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they did the four way at the arena Mexico one, which that was just kind of like whatever.

01:02:52.975 --> 01:02:54.857
[SPEAKER_03]: But the ladies have been involved in a couple.

01:02:55.078 --> 01:02:56.119
[SPEAKER_03]: There's been a lot of them.

01:02:57.196 --> 01:02:57.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

01:02:57.917 --> 01:03:00.620
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see what you see, but like right now, I dig it.

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:01.401
[SPEAKER_03]: Me too.

01:03:02.202 --> 01:03:02.622
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

01:03:03.383 --> 01:03:05.685
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, I guess they saved it for the right people.

01:03:06.326 --> 01:03:14.115
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, can we, once this is done, can we do away with these $100,000 challenges first a little while, please?

01:03:14.135 --> 01:03:16.277
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think it's a little much.

01:03:16.297 --> 01:03:22.444
[SPEAKER_03]: But on the right people with like with these guys, yeah, I, I do dig this gimmick.

01:03:22.584 --> 01:03:25.347
[SPEAKER_03]: And

01:03:25.816 --> 01:03:27.618
[SPEAKER_03]: them working with two people they really like.

01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:45.256
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think offense, a little bit of no selling here, but I thought it was fun for what it was and Jurassic Express getting the wind and keeping the young books kind of down and out for a little while here, we have no idea where they're going to go.

01:03:45.296 --> 01:03:55.367
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's the aftermath of it as well with can you Omega coming to save them after

01:03:56.849 --> 01:04:00.335
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of curious to see where it goes.

01:04:00.956 --> 01:04:14.378
[SPEAKER_01]: The bucks have had their working boots on for a while now in 2025, and I think more so than any other matches here, they really had them on in this match for Jurassic Express.

01:04:17.363 --> 01:04:18.064
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I,

01:04:19.546 --> 01:04:21.550
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a match a lot of people like.

01:04:21.751 --> 01:04:27.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not super for me, but I certainly was entertained through most of it.

01:04:27.923 --> 01:04:33.555
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially, you know, the last five to seven minutes was pretty incredible.

01:04:35.273 --> 01:04:39.979
[SPEAKER_01]: More so than the bucks and canny stuff.

01:04:39.999 --> 01:04:46.127
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I saw people talking about like, oh, when the elite reunite, that's gonna hit so hard.

01:04:46.147 --> 01:04:47.268
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really give a shit about that.

01:04:48.009 --> 01:04:50.492
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more curious as to what's going on Jurassic Express.

01:04:50.673 --> 01:04:58.783
[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel like there's something insidious with Jack Perry that, you know, they could maybe drag out for a little while.

01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:01.623
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see where it goes.

01:05:02.003 --> 01:05:14.730
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw a couple of innovative spots in this match, by the way, just with the bucks doing that sling shot into a power bomb, and Jack Perry had the good nature to reverse it into a hurricane run.

01:05:14.790 --> 01:05:15.632
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually popped for that.

01:05:16.273 --> 01:05:18.257
[SPEAKER_03]: General Pop for those super high spots, either.

01:05:19.688 --> 01:05:21.070
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll say go ahead.

01:05:21.691 --> 01:05:28.041
[SPEAKER_01]: No, if you can say, there's all sort of the, you know, they dug deep into their, their toolbox.

01:05:28.882 --> 01:05:36.474
[SPEAKER_01]: They brought up old stuff that they used to do and it's seemed like they did some stuff we've never seen before.

01:05:36.574 --> 01:05:38.637
[SPEAKER_01]: So like it was a fun match.

01:05:39.098 --> 01:05:40.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Just not my bag for the most part.

01:05:41.402 --> 01:05:46.309
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think for some people who are huge young bucks fans, this is their match of the night.

01:05:46.850 --> 01:05:48.092
[SPEAKER_03]: And for me, I just said,

01:05:48.899 --> 01:06:08.288
[SPEAKER_03]: way too many kickouts of finisher's for me to throw this in the match of the night category I put it in a three and a half and yes, I said cut at least five six minutes off of this as well Yeah, one thing I've not heard anybody say about the young bucks this year by the way They're in the best physical shape they've ever been in yep They look fucking fantastic.

01:06:08.949 --> 01:06:16.240
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I feel like I just saw an interview not very like recently in the last two weeks where they said they have not

01:06:16.945 --> 01:06:20.729
[SPEAKER_01]: been you know this locked in and quite a while.

01:06:22.351 --> 01:06:25.474
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just going to ask, I was like, why is nobody asked them this question?

01:06:25.514 --> 01:06:32.401
[SPEAKER_03]: Because me being in the shoot job, the shoot job that I have, I probably the first question I would ask them right away.

01:06:33.442 --> 01:06:34.904
[SPEAKER_03]: What have you guys been doing in the gym?

01:06:35.064 --> 01:06:35.745
[SPEAKER_03]: What have you been eating?

01:06:35.805 --> 01:06:42.632
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you look, yeah, the transformation that I've seen from a time you left to the time you got back, like you guys are serious right now.

01:06:43.912 --> 01:06:44.973
[SPEAKER_03]: It's refreshing, it's great.

01:06:45.214 --> 01:06:49.459
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly have many in my diet, that's what you're here.

01:06:49.479 --> 01:06:52.582
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, enjoy the match and it was what it was.

01:06:52.823 --> 01:06:53.704
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's close with this.

01:06:54.825 --> 01:06:59.310
[SPEAKER_03]: Kyle Fletcher, Mark Briscoe, 24 minutes of fun.

01:06:59.771 --> 01:07:00.952
[SPEAKER_03]: They're fifth installment.

01:07:00.972 --> 01:07:02.614
[SPEAKER_03]: These guys have tremendous chemistry.

01:07:03.235 --> 01:07:08.181
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not know who to root for in this match because I didn't feel that either one of them should have lost.

01:07:09.730 --> 01:07:18.603
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was a little surprised listening to your unplugged, just because I think Kyle Fletcher is so much the future.

01:07:18.883 --> 01:07:25.953
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do, I still think we're probably a couple of years away from him being world champion, just because of who's ahead of them.

01:07:26.033 --> 01:07:30.119
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we want to see, you know, possibly another swirl of title run.

01:07:30.179 --> 01:07:33.143
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to see that Will Osprey title reign.

01:07:33.163 --> 01:07:37.189
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're still away as a way.

01:07:37.456 --> 01:07:46.348
[SPEAKER_01]: but God damn dude, you know, you talk about people that can fucking go in the ring.

01:07:46.388 --> 01:07:53.178
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Bandito, it's Kyle Fletcher, it's Mark Brisco.

01:07:53.678 --> 01:07:58.144
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, these guys just don't fucking miss and they did not miss here.

01:07:58.925 --> 01:08:04.493
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there was part of me it's like kind of fuck we've seen this four times before.

01:08:05.148 --> 01:08:09.492
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, could this maybe, maybe not feel special.

01:08:09.693 --> 01:08:11.835
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it was, it was fantastic.

01:08:11.875 --> 01:08:17.581
[SPEAKER_01]: These two are too good, not to let it, uh, absolutely deliver.

01:08:18.081 --> 01:08:20.984
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, like, kind of where do you go from here?

01:08:21.185 --> 01:08:26.230
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause bark brisk goes coming off that huge winoff of MJF at all out.

01:08:27.191 --> 01:08:33.197
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Kyle Fletcher got it got his big match against the world champion, which he lost, but, uh,

01:08:34.105 --> 01:08:37.830
[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, I would keep that on him for quite a while.

01:08:38.170 --> 01:08:41.895
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not be taking the TNT championship off of him any time soon.

01:08:42.135 --> 01:08:58.695
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was my thought going in, which is the only reason why I totally get where you were coming from, because I fucking love Mark Briscoen, want to see him with some gold, but I did not think this was the time for that considering the trajectory of Cal Flutter.

01:08:59.553 --> 01:09:10.029
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially yeah, it was like late July when he won it, so we're hitting three months on this, and flutter should, and come and I have a loss, losing the hangman, that's another big one.

01:09:10.069 --> 01:09:21.486
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just, I mean, you probably could have thrown this match maybe a little bit later down the road, but I guess I can't really complain with having these two in the middle of a paper view.

01:09:21.567 --> 01:09:25.813
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I would like to see Briscoe be the one to see them when it finally happens.

01:09:27.852 --> 01:09:31.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to that wouldn't be opposed to that.

01:09:33.440 --> 01:09:51.365
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this this was one of those matches where I know it's wrestling fans sometimes you just watch some and you just kind of start giggling sometimes when you're just so happy about what you're watching and I had a couple of those moments in this match.

01:09:51.385 --> 01:09:56.492
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those nearfalls were absolutely incredible, you know,

01:09:57.232 --> 01:10:10.429
[SPEAKER_01]: The double clothes line everything is just yep everything is so crisp that these two do I just can't praise them enough That was in the middle of the notes was yeah.

01:10:10.629 --> 01:10:21.062
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved the double clothes line loved was in all caps The power bomb on the steel steps yep the sweet jajriller on the apron from brisco

01:10:21.262 --> 01:10:30.771
[SPEAKER_03]: did another J-driller later, which ended up Fletcher ended up getting his fingers on the ropes to bring it down, really good stuff there.

01:10:31.171 --> 01:10:39.559
[SPEAKER_03]: Can Fletcher ends up pushing the ref into Briscoe, kicking him in the nuts, and then hitting a regular brainbuster for a two-count.

01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:50.830
[SPEAKER_03]: Couldn't get it done, he just got angry, threw him back in the corner, did his trademark kick, and then hit the, I still don't know the name of the move,

01:10:51.198 --> 01:10:52.640
[SPEAKER_03]: Fletcher has adopted it.

01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.423
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a awesome finisher.

01:10:54.463 --> 01:10:56.746
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:10:56.766 --> 01:11:02.515
[SPEAKER_03]: And does not hurt the guy, which I think is the, one of the most mind-blowing things of all of this.

01:11:03.236 --> 01:11:05.459
[SPEAKER_03]: Scores to three count, the Fletcher retains.

01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:10.387
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think it just goes back to Hangman and his lack of heel challengers.

01:11:10.487 --> 01:11:13.692
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, what is he gonna do?

01:11:14.213 --> 01:11:16.696
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's like, we talked about probably Samoa Joe and November.

01:11:16.837 --> 01:11:19.180
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like if you have brisco in now,

01:11:20.746 --> 01:11:29.060
[SPEAKER_03]: The coronation of Fletcher is a WW world shape, and I even said as like early as revolution next year, because you're devoid of heels, but then you have MJF coming back in a couple of months.

01:11:29.681 --> 01:11:31.544
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Hangman holds this thing for a long time.

01:11:31.784 --> 01:11:33.888
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's just so many questions you should be answered here.

01:11:35.130 --> 01:11:36.612
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we need

01:11:37.570 --> 01:11:58.887
[SPEAKER_01]: a long hang man ring here, but God damn he does need some challengers and they got to build up some heels for him in the coming months, you know, I think Ocada is a good choice, you know, I had said that that's who I was hoping would have been the all out match, although I, you know, I liked the direction they're going.

01:11:59.693 --> 01:12:03.538
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think O'Cott is going to be busy with DeKeshta.

01:12:04.299 --> 01:12:08.524
[SPEAKER_01]: This is for another podcast as far as like, what's going to happen with Wrestle Kingdom?

01:12:11.588 --> 01:12:19.238
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, any idea when Jay White's coming back, because he holds multiple wins over a hangman.

01:12:20.500 --> 01:12:21.401
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the big one.

01:12:21.421 --> 01:12:24.705
[SPEAKER_03]: I think somebody said that he posted on social media a couple of days ago.

01:12:25.850 --> 01:12:30.997
[SPEAKER_03]: hadn't posted in a while almost signifying that he's getting close.

01:12:31.017 --> 01:12:32.660
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would be the move.

01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:42.293
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can get, I mean, you hate to throw J White under the Provid, you know, proverbial hangman bus as soon as he comes back.

01:12:42.433 --> 01:12:48.702
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you could get a couple big matches out of that, you know, wouldn't hate it.

01:12:49.205 --> 01:12:52.170
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's worse for the wear because he owns hangman at this point.

01:12:52.330 --> 01:12:56.116
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you know, he has, I think he's four or five and one against hangman lifetime.

01:12:57.979 --> 01:13:01.085
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, including, you know, two big paper view matches.

01:13:02.046 --> 01:13:02.807
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:13:02.827 --> 01:13:06.093
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, that would be a super easy plug and play type contender there.

01:13:06.894 --> 01:13:14.166
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll spend 30 seconds in this match because I do want to, I know, because I wanted to talk about using this guy as a heel challenger, Ricochet.

01:13:15.597 --> 01:13:37.999
[SPEAKER_03]: and the demand going against the hurt syndicates and yeah it was definitely there wasn't much there but I think Ricochet did not get pinned in this match he's been looking fine I think throughout this feud and now they're just pushing hurt syndicates faces because they're the next opponent for the ops for the trio's title here on Wednesday night.

01:13:39.241 --> 01:13:43.545
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah for me that ship is kind

01:13:44.588 --> 01:14:02.277
[SPEAKER_01]: what Ricochet has done since he got to AW showing you know this different side of his character that the heel work has been spot on but if he's going to be in a world championship match that to me that's a television match at best.

01:14:02.476 --> 01:14:13.994
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, even with like Bobby, like I've never been a huge Bobby Lashley fan and if they want to get him into that main event scene, they got some work to do.

01:14:15.075 --> 01:14:16.658
[SPEAKER_01]: Or that'd be a one off.

01:14:16.678 --> 01:14:23.488
[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, I'd rather see Swerve get his singles win back against Bobby Lashley, rather than throwing them to hang them.

01:14:23.907 --> 01:14:27.692
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's coming whenever that, whenever he gets back from injury.

01:14:27.832 --> 01:14:36.764
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Tony Khan made a mention of it in the, not the scrum, but the, the pre, the press conference on Thursday before the paper view.

01:14:37.325 --> 01:14:39.888
[SPEAKER_03]: Saying squirves probably back sooner rather than later.

01:14:39.948 --> 01:14:43.814
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking end of 2025, maybe like around world's end.

01:14:46.217 --> 01:14:47.839
[SPEAKER_03]: So we could definitely see that play out.

01:14:48.815 --> 01:14:50.677
[SPEAKER_03]: That was WrestleDream, 2025.

01:14:51.117 --> 01:14:55.101
[SPEAKER_03]: All over the map, no structure, which is perfectly fine.

01:14:55.161 --> 01:14:56.262
[SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to wing it tonight.

01:14:56.282 --> 01:15:02.168
[SPEAKER_03]: We did kind of wing it from a hole, but yeah, it was, it being a lot more fun than I thought it was gonna be.

01:15:04.150 --> 01:15:18.383
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

01:15:19.915 --> 01:15:25.080
[SPEAKER_01]: So MVP seems to be kind of hanging on by a thread.

01:15:25.100 --> 01:15:30.686
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of popped for his little ball in elbow.

01:15:31.266 --> 01:15:35.350
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, everything is fine.

01:15:35.371 --> 01:15:38.333
[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't give a shit about this riflery.

01:15:39.214 --> 01:15:44.860
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, it's it's it's over with now and they're going to move on to to bigger things here so.

01:15:45.751 --> 01:15:57.984
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we covered it, you got your draft done off the checkpoints message off air here and hopefully we did him well with this very eclectic and all over the place top rope nation episode.

01:15:58.525 --> 01:16:00.992
[SPEAKER_03]: Any other closing thoughts before we roll, Justin.

01:16:02.525 --> 01:16:08.111
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I have said too much on this podcast.

01:16:08.131 --> 01:16:11.434
[SPEAKER_03]: Our listeners enjoy when we go off tangent from time to time.

01:16:11.474 --> 01:16:13.496
[SPEAKER_03]: And you get it a lot in the Facebook group.

01:16:13.516 --> 01:16:15.258
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, holy shit.

01:16:15.318 --> 01:16:16.459
[SPEAKER_03]: Justin mentioned this.

01:16:17.100 --> 01:16:18.161
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for doing that.

01:16:18.481 --> 01:16:21.584
[SPEAKER_03]: We always get that at least once or twice in our Facebook group.

01:16:22.545 --> 01:16:24.867
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.

01:16:26.169 --> 01:16:28.431
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really post to like,

01:16:28.968 --> 01:16:30.590
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with X. I don't.

01:16:31.110 --> 01:16:33.833
[SPEAKER_01]: I post very little blue sky when I do.

01:16:33.873 --> 01:16:35.735
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably more about Tottenham.

01:16:36.696 --> 01:16:43.203
[SPEAKER_01]: I like taking my thoughts to our buddies on our TRN Facebook page.

01:16:43.223 --> 01:16:45.565
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01:16:45.685 --> 01:16:47.427
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01:16:47.447 --> 01:16:53.153
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01:16:53.825 --> 01:16:54.467
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01:17:20.037 --> 01:17:22.719
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01:17:22.739 --> 01:17:25.062
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01:17:25.082 --> 01:17:25.462
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

01:17:26.043 --> 01:17:27.624
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01:17:27.684 --> 01:17:32.168
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01:17:32.469 --> 01:17:38.935
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got it for you right there on BlueSky, Justin, Justin,

01:17:40.906 --> 01:17:55.391
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I have done my due diligence and of course as Ryan always says we hit our highest mark I think when it comes to viewership at the very end of the show Go hox Tim, did they win this weekend?

01:17:55.492 --> 01:18:04.888
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you would know oh the Atlanta Hawks haven't started playing yet Oh, to look that up

01:18:05.645 --> 01:18:06.867
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me get off the end.

01:18:06.967 --> 01:18:07.148
[SPEAKER_01]: They did.

01:18:07.188 --> 01:18:07.609
[SPEAKER_01]: They won.

01:18:07.749 --> 01:18:08.470
[SPEAKER_01]: The Hawkeyes won.

01:18:08.630 --> 01:18:12.678
[SPEAKER_01]: Or as my my littlest calls them the chickens, the chickens won.

01:18:13.980 --> 01:18:16.304
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the gofers beat Nebraska on Friday night.

01:18:16.865 --> 01:18:18.288
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure that happened.

01:18:19.049 --> 01:18:19.590
[SPEAKER_03]: Five and two.

01:18:20.431 --> 01:18:20.752
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:18:20.772 --> 01:18:25.240
[SPEAKER_03]: On like my least favorite sports team at the University of Minnesota.

01:18:25.726 --> 01:18:27.910
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll talk about that another day too.

01:18:29.854 --> 01:18:33.582
[SPEAKER_03]: For just enjoyed, my name is Ryan Drossney.

01:18:33.602 --> 01:18:47.008
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean Jesse Velasquez and that has been episode 398 of Top Rope Nation we're closing on 400 in a couple of weeks.