AJ Lee Returns, AEW All Out Toronto Build

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[UNKNOWN]: Ladies and gentlemen, it is no fun!

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[SPEAKER_01]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better the will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're the kids in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The boom of the clock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not rich anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well hello, this episode 395 of Top Rope Nation, I am your host for this Sunday morning, Jesse Velasquez and flanked by Mr. Justin Joint, how are you on this lovely Sunday morning?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am officially, they just don't make them like they used to years old because I have found myself complaining about things falling apart a lot lately, my work boots are lucky to last year when they used to last years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My socks are constantly getting holes in them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel, obviously that has always been the case, but it seems like I'm lucky to get like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a few months out of them nowadays, and I was having some mic issues before we started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got some static going on, and I haven't had this damn thing for very long, so I'm kind of cranky today, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As we said off air, uh, crankiness has been kind of flanking this entire Sunday, and it shouldn't be a cranky Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the first Sunday of September, which means, as you see in the bottom right hand corner there, it is the opening technically of American football.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know my kid is very pumped for the 49ers game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll probably be watching that today and I need to fit in some summer slam 1990 also because we're going to be recording soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get that out of the way right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for your support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patreon dot com slash top or

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very fast card so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have not gotten into the second half yet, but I'm super excited to get through the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin, do you have, I guess, we'll give a people a sneak peek.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any memories of Summerslam 1990 at all?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is probably my most rented paper view of all time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to rent it all the time as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: one of the early WrestleMania's love SummerSlam 1990.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could guess the reasons why, but again, that's why we tease here on the flagship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl, we're with you as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The socks and constantly buying new ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just bought, I think, a 12 pack from Costco, maybe three months ago, the Puma ones, and those things usually hold up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had to throw away three of the 12 pairs so far in the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be a discussion for another day as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's good to see you in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My American football team does not play until tomorrow night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ditto for the co-host who is missing this morning, Ryan Drosty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going ahead to head to Maronite in Soldier Field, where I am.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mission Derby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am going to reverse jinx it just like I did last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mayors are winning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 to 17, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a defensive struggle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel that both defenses have rebuilt, especially I know Minnesota has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And going through bears overbears with Ryan Drasty, his other football podcast, I have learned that the bears have also rebuilt their defense just a touch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, a two-and-experience quarterbacks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what was going to be my point is this is going to be a game of we find out who these quarterbacks are if JJ's the real deal and what kind of strides Caleb can make.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think no more excuses for him no more excuses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, especially in this day and age where you need something now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like your return on investment is so, it has to be like within two, three, four games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You notice it with other franchises and things where coaches now get fired after a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When before it was like three, four years, it's how long this bill is going to take and then will make our decision from there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just coming like the Premier League.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I haven't taught them spurs clutter yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did something major happen or a day or two ago?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes, their longtime chairman, Daniel Levy, uh, quote unquote step down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I would also say probably pushed out the door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I am, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Reserving my feelings on that to see what the club does go in forward because I am not as down on him as many of the fan bases.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so just like everything else, it's a wait and see approach for your for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's for me, yep, yep, he was the chairman for 25 years, just about did a lot of good things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think his legacy will be that beautiful state of the art stadium that he got built, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, for me, he was more annoying than bad, is, is how I'll put it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, we can deal with annoying specifically with fan bases as long as everything is running smoothly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go, let's get the WWE out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of AEW to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the lead here is pretty big, specifically in the circles with AJ Lee on September the 5th of 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So four years to the day that her husband

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[SPEAKER_00]: CM Punk made his in-ring return against Darby Allen, she made her return to television after 10 years and 5 months away from the promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have some things to say, like some that are okay and some that are on the negative side, much like it is with world wrestling entertainment these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin, do you have any thoughts on the return of AJ Lee to help out her husband in this storyline

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[SPEAKER_02]: Congrats to anybody who watches WWE and has excited for it, Kudos to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is not my bag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've just seen so much stuff online, touting AJ Lee is a generational talent, and that was just not my experience watching her, because I was watching at the time and in

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say by today's wrestling standards, she's pretty average in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time, she was more exceptional because the quote-unquote women's revolution was just about to get started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She left, while Paige was coming in, Becky Lynch and Charlotte and Sasha were all on their way to truly put a stamp on women's wrestling, but I always thought her finisher was really dope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her true impact was her character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had an interesting character, and she was in some pretty big storyline specifically with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan, but I just doesn't do much for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I'm not really a big WWE fan, but I think the celebration of her return is kind of far outseeds her actual impact on the industry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's who she's associated with, I think, is specifically where the impact is kind of blotted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's associated, of course, with the, with C and punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously being her husband, yes, Nile in the chat as well, between AJ Lee and Nikki Bella.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 2014 all over again, we'll highlight that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're getting,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zero arguments from me 2014 was a decent year for World Wrestling Entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt with WrestleMania 30 and Then with Daniel Bryan being coordinated in the middle of just third to go downhill about half way with the shield and the why it's still being Their omnipresent in the promotion for about a year year and a half so things were still kind of looking on the up and up

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now we're looking at 11 years later, we see two thirds of the members of the shield are still in the main event talk and see him punk has left and returned or he's left and returned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's just a matter of with AJ Lee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a life folks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got kids in in the house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about the pause folks, yes, I have a wonderful four-year-old son right now who is having the time of his life at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and then there were reasons that AJ Lee left the promotion in 2015, not just with the support of her husband who has now returned and from a hypocritical perspective,

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[SPEAKER_00]: emphasis on the word had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're looking at we're looking at two thousand twenty five landscape with the return of Brock Lesnar just about a month ago and things that have been going on with Janelle Grant and Vince McMahon and how the company is treated women in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not 100% sure if AJ completely supports this, it's all about the paycheck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any thoughts Justin?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I would agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's a whole lot of, yeah, great comment here for anybody watching on YouTube or anything on for Carl here, he's spot on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It says 100% not a generational talent, her impact has gateway to the current women's division and being around in 2013 to 15 is more correlation than cause at great point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Though she had some impact, not as much as said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's a lot of, to me, it's a lot of revisionists.

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[SPEAKER_02]: history, which WB is quite good at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're arguably the best I think in almost in the world when it comes to revisionist history from a company perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Carl, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I found AJ to be above average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, and here's the thing, now it's been 10 years and five months since she's even bothered placing some boots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's done some stuff behind the scenes, working with wow for about a year and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So from a training perspective, I mean, she's obviously taken bumps but at the same time when you're coming back to the big stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's totally different animal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and I mean, this is going to be a tag match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's probably just going to be a lot of throw in fists, specifically with Becky Lynch across the ring from her, but the impact of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if the return was in Chicago, Illinois, where I think from an over saturated market standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're used to this kind of stuff and it's in the rose month horizon which gets has some of the best acoustics I think in the country just when it comes to magnifying pops have you heard anything is this like a short term deal with her return or she going to be around for a while like I haven't heard anything in regards to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a report this morning, I have not fully investigated it is that she has signed a longer term deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're, if just going through the article, they'll probably disclose if it's a year or two, three, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I can't see this being longer than two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've been talking about just the, the women right now, the ones that had that made the impacts, they're starting to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: get up there, they're in their late 30s, early 40s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how long she truly wants to be in the ring taking so many bumps and adding that on to later on in life and how she's going to feel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she looks great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give her that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would kill for those abs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was honestly, I think that was the biggest talk that I saw in social media where the abdominal muscles of April Mendez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, congratulations to her and her return.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it works out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't think WWE's going to get a ginormous return on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're obviously trying their hardest to hype.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This Russell Pouluse car that they're going to be doing on September 20th, which is taking place at night will make a transition right now, AEW's all out has now moved to the afternoon on that Saturday to obviously stray away from going head to head with world resting entertainment, just in or you in support of the move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I shouldn't say it like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love these kind of early afternoon shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are much easier to watch rather than staying up, you know, way past my bedtime on a quote unquote school night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So from that aspect, I very much like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good idea business-wise for AWS to try to avoid going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: head-to-head with WWE, it was very, very effective with all in Texas, whereas I think WWE heard themselves way more than it actually heard AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure it costs them some buys, and there's certainly going to be fans who, now that they actually have to possibly fork over some money for a WWE paper view, are probably going to skip all out and just go with WrestlePolusa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess the only thing that bothers me about it was the late change, that they changed it, just a few weeks in advance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there's a lot of scuddle butt about all this could affect some people who were going to go to the show and watch it, which I kind of have a hard time believing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, who is showing up that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: on day of the show that was going to show up like right at six o'clock, you know, central time to get to all out, whereas, you know, it's just, it's basically a three for our difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine it's that much of an issue, but I like it for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's probably good for AW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have to keep coming up with inventive ways to combat the, the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: new strategy from WB, uh, so I don't know, uh, how about you, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Niles making an excellent point in the chat here as well with the earlier start in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to mean seven eight o'clock at night on a Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So something that we would have seen normally it'd be an overnight for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're going to be getting more attention from the European crowds, whereas European crowds wise for the WWE, it'll just be going overnight to watch it or waking up early in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, I think here is a big one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is some some big news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Max is now carrying AEW pay previews as of this one coming up here in Toronto, Canada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you already have the app,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be an additional $39.99, so a $10 off discount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a bad idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not have max, but go ahead, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's in if for those of you who don't have max, you know, you can pay your normal price for the paper view $50, and you can get max, which is personally my favorite streaming service.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get all your AEW content from them that, you know, a great catalog of movies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They still put out tremendous shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm actually going to check out

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of a win-win in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although I have really enjoyed Amazon primes, paper view with AW a lot more than Triller or Bleacher report, the functions weren't great with those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Prime has been pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be hopefully Max has everything streamlined and there aren't any issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bleacher report.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that was a little difficult to navigate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Triller.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed have I've ordered that a few times and then Amazon prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just used for the first time on a W all and I was definite fan of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've they've gotten ahead of the curve with some NFL live football and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So is this going to be the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this isn't going to be the first time at live, but what now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: about a live content for HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is not going to be the first time because they're doing AEW Dynamites and collisions and things already.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They actually have a lot of other sports on there too, like cycling and racing and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to their sports section.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I totally think that they're, yeah, they're not going to have any issues whatsoever getting this broadcast across.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have any, I kind of hate this topic nowadays, but any thoughts on ratings that are currently in the dumpster for both companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily know, I have to look back some years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually do remember 2021 where AEW was starting to hit stride again with their television ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, with people cutting the cord on cable and such football is starting up again, college, pro now here on Sunday and Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to have an effect on Wednesday nights.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we're looking at Monday and going over to Netflix,

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm starting to think that wrestling is cooling off a little bit when it comes to the nicheness of it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say worldwide more than anything else with our circles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think there's just so many other things going on in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: got back to school was a big one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some travel last minute travel last weekend as well for the kids here because I know that a lot of schools started on Tuesday here in the state of Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and also, just the accessibility of watching these shows now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just either DVR it if you have USA, you want to watch SmackDown, you can watch it the next morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's not must-see television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dido, I think, for Max TNT and TBS, I have not watched a live AW Dynamite and I don't know how long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just go get up the next morning or when I get home from work on Thursday night, I will catch dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's such a much more complicated thing to evaluate in today's world compared to before where it is, a lot of this stuff is on streaming and Netflix and HBO Max are an exactly the most forthcoming with the viewership.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a tough thing to evaluate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, these companies are OK with the ratings, because they're forking over a ton of money for the content.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, Ryan made a great point with, you know, swirven offspray are both gone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's obviously, you know, I'm gonna affect things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, they're still, they're both like, or at least AEW is still like, top five of the night for like all programming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're still doing well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not too concerned with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the EBS and flows of viewership, back to school, footballs, back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, so I don't know, it's just a blip on the radar and I just, uh, I just getting a little weary talking about ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not completely irrelevant yet, but like you just said with all of these deals in place, like Netflix forking over the low end of billions of dollars to carry WWE content, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now with Warner Brothers having forked over I think it's like $300 million a year for a W for the next three to four they're very happy with things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure advertisers are still happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming on TBS and TNT's side of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably getting the highest ratings of anything on that, on that network.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why it's just, it's not time to hit the panic button.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we live in a world where

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[SPEAKER_02]: WWE can absolutely ship the bed on the John Cena heel turn, which in the moment was very successful and then eventually just crapped out and literally the storyline was like, oh, that was a bad idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Cena says, and he's just a baby face now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the past, that would have absolutely heard a company's bottom line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would have tanked ratings if that had happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would have been a much bigger deal, but it's just not nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, you know, again, barely a blip on the radar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't really affect anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That just goes to show the size of the company just doesn't matter to fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be an interesting course of discussion, Justin, as to why storylines these days can be erased like the men in black blazer button and fans won't blink when like you just stayed it out like Austin's heel turn back at WrestleMania 17 ended up hurting business for world wrestling entertainment moving forward and there was in staying in

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[SPEAKER_00]: then 1998 WCW started to hit a law three years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were out of business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena's going to retire at the end of the year, but the company is still going to move on, because there is into much else for professional wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the United States to go, they don't necessarily, they don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, this, this is what they watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what they've grew up on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're perfectly accepting of what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: elsewhere, WWE, they have a W if they want to, but for whatever reason, some of them just don't want to gravitate towards that side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's just from being a monopoly for 20 years and the fans are super loyal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're more likely to forgive, you know, something like that, which is good for wrestling, I suppose, but it also means that I think the the risks that

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they would have needed to take in the past to rebuild themselves as just they have no incentive to do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the other thing which Nile pointed out in the chat with social media being extremely relevant in this day in age of 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw an excerpt that somewhere in the uptake of like 20 to 30 million people have already seen AJ Lee's return to SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what effect is that going to have on on business moving forward?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really go into the X and O's of that and they don't

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where that's where the focus is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be as opposed to long-term storytelling and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They love their pops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they don't run out of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a real shame.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, they can, well, I mean, if they can just continue to return Roman Reigns every three months, then they don't care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that poor guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's it's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean with with Russell Palusa in such they were talking about the all out in the Russell Palusa programming being on the same night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE stacking the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Becky and Seth Gungi and AJ and CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say just from a face is perspective they're stacking the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody Rhodes drew McIntyre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have potentially John Cena and Brock Lesnar, which, again, is 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was fine back in 2012.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed it in 2004.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know if I want to

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[SPEAKER_02]: I for one am excited about this all-out card that is coming together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we were speculating weeks ago as to, you know, what direction are they going to take hangman and, boy, never would have guessed this, you know, my choice was Ocata.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like there for a moment, they were teasing Omega, but it's going to be hangman

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to Keshta are probably the three best in ring wrestlers in the world right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be a killer match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a a little bit of a history with all out and the challenger for the world title being kind of on the

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[SPEAKER_02]: up and come her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wave, you know, we had hangman at the first one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't quite at that main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: World Champion level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he faced Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was M. J. F. versus Mox in 2020.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, we had Danielson and Jack Perry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't hate it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do still kind of wish it would have been Okada to to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But keep that spotlight on Hangman in a big way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas now, maybe this match might feel a little bit like an afterthought compared to some of the other big matches on this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is the best comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try and just see what you think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's some similarities, but it's not quite the full blown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think this is kind of like the Survivor Series match 1992 between Brett Hart and Shawn Michaels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're an international champion versus world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in a way, I would say Hangman's way more established as a main eventer than Brett was at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I definitely see the correlation with Sean in 92 and Kyle Fletcher now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think it's pretty obvious that

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Michaels at the time and Kyle Fletcher now that their biggest moments are ahead of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I very much think Kyle Fletcher will be a world champion in AEW, whether that sooner rather than later is to be determined.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good one, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that's where I was leaning towards with Shawn Michaels and Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's tremendous similarities there and you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Hangman's second world championship match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, so he's used me his second world title reign, whereas that was Hitman's first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had just a few Rick Flair and October of 1992.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and here's another point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we like about having a nice...

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[SPEAKER_00]: alternative to it all give a 32 year old taking on a 26 year old in a main event when on the other side of things we're seeing mid 40s versus mid 40s Stuff we've already seen I mean look at all use boxing as an example for whatever reason in 2026 they're putting on a Mike Tyson versus Floyd may with our exhibition for what reason I have no idea I haven't seen that boxing has never been my thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, big match next weekend, which I will be watching, but yeah, no one else really cares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I won't wax any further nostalgic about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back to this, and then we're going to go full blown A, W, I think the rest of the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nile asks, because WV specifically already hit as low as they can get, just because they have that baseline, loyal fan base, no matter what, and whilst with Austin's turn,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, um, it sure feels like that, you know, like, you know, to my point earlier, they, they shit the bed on their biggest storyline of the year, and it seemingly didn't really affect much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I could think of is if, you know, their loyal fans get fed up with them, continuing to try and go head to head with AW and ruin another company while they try to just homogenize the entire wrestling industry in their own vision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas a lot of fans, even if they're loyal to WWE, I don't think they hate having that alternative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's good for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've said it a million times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's good for fans, and it's good for wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's possible they could go lower, but I highly doubt it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm completely with you on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have a handful of 20 somethings that they could promote and get themselves ready to elevate if they want to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Brownbreaker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The women side of things is very, very strong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the strongest that it's ever been in the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think from top to bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for them on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to lean on that a little bit more and kudos for them and that aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just a matter now of we're just going to we don't want to see 60 and 70 year old guys like coming out in an next 10 to 15 years and choke slamming it up and come or like undertaker did trick claims.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could you throw up Carl's comment there about Fletcher?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree with him there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do

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[SPEAKER_02]: probably losing to Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what will be a good match, which it'll make him look good, it'll put him in a main event spot, but yeah, just wish they would have continued to build him up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to throw Takeshton in this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a match next month for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, to my fantasy booking with Hangman and Okada, they're kind of teasing the

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[SPEAKER_02]: at all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I absolutely do not think you can have to catch the losing right now because all of our assumption is this he will be becoming the IWGP world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ocadas got to get beat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just have hangman do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly where I would have gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was completely in a greens with you just to have that one off title match between those two, a champion versus champion scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, O'Connor's head, two, maybe three losses in his entire AEW duration, including the Kyle Fletcher and the Continental Classic, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that sounds right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then I know he lost a Danielson, when Danielson was champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: did he, I think that might have been like a disqualification.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, it was by it was by DQ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So three losses for O'Cotta and one's not going to are losing to the guy that you're pushing to the moon right now in Hangman page.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And somebody brought up the point that if they are going to go with O'Cotta to Keshe that the story is going to be O'Cotta winning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it does look like to Keshe's probably going to end up going baby face here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, to be a baby face over in Japan and here in the story is going to be him losing here against Okada and then getting the wind back at the sea too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know, to be determined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be interesting, and a point you made earlier about Swerve Strickland and Will Osprey being on the shelf for a while, and we're now devoid of baby faces a little bit in AEW, with there's also some steam that Kenny Omega's going to be taking a little he's going to be working a little bit less, and just trying to let his body recover, which it's gone through a lot, let's say the last five years in itself, like coming over back from New Japan where that's scheduled, so demanding,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the divertic you'll light us, you also had an injury in 2021 to have surgery after you lost a hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's a completely different performer and we've seen glimpses of greatness with him and Gabe Kid at Russell Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've also seen his match I felt with MJF when MJF was championed on collision was tremendous, a Humper, his match

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[SPEAKER_00]: but it just goes to show and we talked about Sina and Lesner if Okada no mega which is arguably one of the greatest series of matches in the history of pro wrestling if we're getting that match seven well no we'll say six years after their primes and now you're throwing a Sina and Lesner scenario when they're like 15 years after their primes but what makes you think it's going to be any good I don't you know speaking of baby faces in AEW

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you saw this, but a big bill on collision called out Eddie Kingston.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he is finally on his way back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Orange has been on the sideline for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we could see him returning Darby is still around, which I'm a little concerned about that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It should be really good with the coffin match against Moxette.

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[SPEAKER_02]: all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have been teasing the, if you can't beat him, join him, storyline with Daniel Garcia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a little concerned that he could cost Darby the match there, whereas it really feels like the true culmination of this death writer's story is Darby finally getting the win over Mox, because obviously a year ago, at Grand Slam, Mox beat Darby to get the title shot where he did throne Danielson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think their AW that is is sitting pretty good as far as baby faces go, but it with it's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Eddie Kingston's timing coming back to the promotion could not be better right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we, I don't know if we failed to forget, but when he left, he had just lost his C2 championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had just elevated him to this higher status that he had, I felt rightfully deserved over the course of the last two, three years prior to the work that he had been putting in in the tremendous crowd response that he has been receiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now, I mean, start him in the entry level and they just see what happens because there isn't as much ahead of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think to your point on Darby Allen and Moxley, who wins that match, and then if Darby does take this, like, what type of heights is that going to take his character?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's pretty firmly cemented as like a upper midcard baby face, which is a great spot for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's one of those characters that doesn't need to, you know, be world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just needs great fudes and put on great matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That one with Claudio and the pinfalls anywhere match was absolutely incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: to keep the Death Rider story going, it seems like you would want Mox to win considering all the losses he's been eating lately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But boy, it sure feels like it needs to be Darby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, it would make it one one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carls point here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, if the opening match in a likely trilogy is Moxley and Allen, and this is the two of the third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What in the wild minds of those two is envisioned for the rubber match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if my eyes can take that Carl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, they're their sickos, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: AW, they're all sickos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Frickin, MJF spent his honeymoon costing Mark Briscoll a match against Keshta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was fully expecting him to be off television for a while, but, uh, nope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he got married on Friday and was back to work the next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also find this quite funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not PG whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But MJF is just got married to Alicia Attut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they worked together about seven or eight years ago on the independent scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a promo out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At his pet name for Alicia Tute back then was Titsmiggy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had to wonder how that marriage is going to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations, yes, you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're also getting M.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: F. Prisco at all, which we expected.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would assume some sort of stipulation to that, which, you know, M.J.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've said anytime, anywhere, anyway, so maybe a dog collar match for the two of them could be in

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[SPEAKER_00]: when those two have been involved in those with the briskos and the NFTR, Ditto for MJF and CM Punk back at Revolution in 2022.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go over the rest of the all-out card as it looks right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have, of course, FTR taking on Adam Copeland and Christian Cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They brawled for a couple of minutes on Dynamite Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That should be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fuel is being added to you said fire in a trio smash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have Ricochet in the gates of agony taking on the Hertz and the kit, which means MVP will be involved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, this is a kind of a no-brainer hurts and to get wind here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty mad on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't feel like a paper view match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This feels like a, you know, it could be a main event, dynamite or collision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Lukewarm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of a main event of a dynamite potentially Mercedes Monet taking on Rio welcome back Rio whenever When in doubt, and this is kind of a half joke They always say when Tony Khan is in ratings trouble, he brings back Rio because forever reason Ridiculous segments and it's always been that way for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know I just find it quite funny

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel like a big paper view match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rio's got her fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I would call myself one of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy her work, but I mean, it's going to be a solid match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just definitely feels like along with, I think, the other ladies match and at all out feels very much like a stepping stone whatever the next thing is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only one other match I have to tackle here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an interesting one from what I see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Has this been officially announced?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A fatal four way for the AW Women's Championship, timeless Tony Storm taking on Jamie Hader, Chris Stattlander, and Tecla.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, Tony officially made the challenge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, this kind of feels like a stepping stone although, you know, they've been teasing you to has been in the ear of Statlander.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they do something where she officially joins and wins the title with shenanigans?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really like that if Tony's going to be losing the world title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it should be in a four-way match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It should be in a one-on-one, but if they use this match to continue a story with Stattlander, maybe joining the death writers, I wouldn't hate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Post match shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think would be nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think that like I said, it feels like we're going to get to Keshe O'Cotta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anything has been laid out, but they should get Brodito on the card somehow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But nothing that, what are we missing anything else that will probably be on there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got seven matches just and I know that they haven't been going as much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think nine is like the most that they've done in the last handful of paper cycles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if you, yeah, if you do, oh, cotton to catch a brodito tag title match, that's, you're at nine there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: With Swerve and Osprey, like it hurts me, like I'm not nearly as interested in the product as normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are my two favorites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, however, I will say that with the matches of we just mentioned, there's still a lot of meat on that bone on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's opportunities for for folks to step up specifically, and we can wait a paper view cycle there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're going to see Eddie Kingston returning as well to pay review.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine are the rest of the dream for full gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll highlight this quick and Carl just saying he hopes that it's a stepping stone to a story with Tony Storm and either Jamie Hayter or Chris that lander.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that'd be good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No Tony Tony is just on fire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just love her so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd keep the title on her for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say maybe even revolution next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: would be a decent time to pull the trigger on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably Mercedes should be the next world champ and I would try and get yeah either stat land or maybe willow as your next TBS champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say one of those two or Athena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, with Athena right now either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just retained her ROH women's title again last weekend at Ring of Honors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the name of the hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had that and I from what I heard again another bandito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just absolute classic with heterocetral.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't surprise anybody at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I haven't seen it yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely need to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure it's still free on YouTube because they were having issues with the streaming service.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, free paper view on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they gave I think the ring of honor subscribers a credit for that month as well moving forward in September.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a little bit of money on that, but hey, I mean, it's just to keep the fanbase happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's extremely important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice job on that Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there are any other points of reference we were going to look at here, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think we touched on everything on my itinerary, so I'm good to go, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just trying to scoop down through my notes quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we mentioned all out in HBO Max, which was an important subject to task here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That looks to be all I have from top to bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, indeed it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for the first time in the history of us, like trying to prognosticate when we're going to end this podcast at a time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, we landed about red, I'd say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lively chat out there, so we thank you so much for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Hope says that Dave said it was five and a half, bendy, don't hit you, Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'd be like four and a quarter, four and a half, if we were to watch it, which is still a tremendous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two stars higher than AJ Lee's highest rated match ever, according to Meltzer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you name that match?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I looked before we got on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember what the match was, but it was three and a half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I just read it, Matt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say back in 2014 though, yeah, she probably he probably had a rate that like four or four and a half now it is good for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say it was against Natalia, but I might be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nadi, Nadi Hard has been doing some tremendous stuff on the independent scenes, and cannot be found with a search light on world listening entertainment programming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just happy to have ended the show with a shot at the e. And on that note, I think that's where we will definitely end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So once again, chat, thank you so much for your contributions to today's show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We truly appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hit the correct button I believe as we go off the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is episode 395 of Top Rope Nation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go back to our daily chaos here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You enjoy the remainder of your Sunday from an NFL perspective American fans enjoy Europeans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully your clubs won today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, American football is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you later.

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