Can Hangman Adam Page Take AEW To The Next Level?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave me to do it!

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[UNKNOWN]: It is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_01]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better the will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back here in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only one in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I reach you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for so three eight weeks of top real nation here on a Sunday morning, independent stay weekend, holiday here in the United States, Justin joins and Ryan drosti.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No Jesse Velasquez this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is enjoying some much needed R and R, but Jesse will be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, how you doing this morning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're in the throes of summer where it's just an absolute headache scheduling anything on a weekend, finding time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to figure out a weekend to hang out with a buddy out of town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, all right, this weekend works for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he would be like, oh, nope, I'm on a town that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just going back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an absolute blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might you be hanging out with anybody's tune?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I sure hope so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe is there anything going on next weekend?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, we do, uh, we do have an all in party schedule, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like some of our friends, but also this will be seen you tonight, sir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did forget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was referring to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was hoping that we'll be doing something for all in, but yeah, I will see tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is the play that we'll hang out with people for all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, and yeah, and we'll be getting Jesse back next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll review all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not sure when we will do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Might be Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Might be Sunday more at some point in the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, you know, when we do these morning shows or even early afternoon, we love to have a little something in the glass.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any coffee this morning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that my youngest had me up pretty early today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so I'm a little bit of a struggle bus this morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, coffee's long gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got, I got some, uh, gut health gimmick soda or something just to taste taste like flat pop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not very good, but supposedly it's good for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got very nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, indeed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, ready to talk a lot of pro wrestling with all of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did try something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We tried this a couple of months ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: on Tuesday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just I think we'll start AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to hit WWE as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so if you're with us here and you want to hear WWE talk stay tuned or if you're watching on demand, you can fast forward if you don't like AEW, whatever, but we are going to cover both companies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And certainly Justin, I think we are more excited about AEW right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we try to remain objective in our evaluation of pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just think creatively, it's not even up for debate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think AEW is putting on much better shows right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, at least, I am really excited for all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what's your excitement level for next weekend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially after this past dynamite, which was just an absolutely fantastic show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a big part of that is because as our former co-host Kyle would like to say, it's like, I'm nervous for the baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really need hangman to win this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm invested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The build has been slow, you know, top to bottom from the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it really felt like it erupted on Wednesday and it is going full tilt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are just they're hitting on all cylinders right now even like collision feels you know borderline must watch right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm pumped man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How about you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I was going to Texas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish it was more possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there would have been a cheap flight from Iowa, I would consider it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But for some reason, all the flights next weekend are jacked up like twice as much as they usually are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they have been for months, I've been launching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a really long drive in the car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's tough to pull the trigger on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it was anywhere in the Midwest, I would for sure be going to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, I'm really excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this on the show for so long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been on this train since last fall that Hangman Page should be the one to end the reign of John Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if he doesn't do it, I would be stunned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just because it's such a big show that they have to main event with that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just can imagine Moxley retaining at a stadium show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it sends

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well first off, for anybody, I mean, who isn't aware, the reason why we think a man might not win is because there's still more story with Moxley and Darby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby just, you know, ascended Mount Everest in unfurled in AEW flag at the highest point on earth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Darby deserves a big spotlight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He deserves a big match with Moxley, but it just to me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't need a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's more of a personal feud and really his mount over come is just beating moxley on a big stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you risk, if you have Hangman lose on all in with, you know, their biggest crowd ever in North America on their biggest show, I think you really risk hurting some, maybe not hurting some fans,

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[SPEAKER_00]: having some fans tune out afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going to make somebody want to watch Dynamite after all in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's to see Hangman's coronation as the world champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just really risk telling fans to not come to your next big show because there's a chance they might get disappointed with the result.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, John agreeing with you in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree on a percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't, you can't get cute with this and take the idle rain like has some more steam in it and there can be more twists and turns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to pull the trigger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Tony Conwell, just given the venue, look, they're going to have probably twenty five thousand there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be between twenty five and thirty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the last ticket update was close to twenty one thousand and they always closed really strong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They usually move a couple thousand tickets the last few days of the week before the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have free tickets there that aren't being counted by Russell Ticks right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're going to have north of twenty five thousand people in this big baseball stadium.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll go over, like, just a, it'll be a foot of John Masley wins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It can't possibly do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if they don't made event with that match, then I would be worried.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I can't imagine they don't made event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I do think it needs to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they added obviously the Texas death match stipulation to the point of your t-shirt you're wearing this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to the matchers should make it really really fun to watch but yeah i think in the end hangman wins and we move into this this new era of a w here's a question i wanted to ask you i've seen some people on social media saying because i i do think a lot of the hardcore fans have really been

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[SPEAKER_02]: getting on board with a W of late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen way more positivity about their booking than in a very long time from all corners of the internet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the takes I've seen out there a lot is that the death writer's storyline deserves the bulk of the credit for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I completely disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I will say again, just like with AW's storytelling right now, the death writers are hitting right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that thing that was felt like it was on fumes for months, you know, at the end of twenty four and the early part of twenty five, you think back to the feud with Edge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it wasn't good, but now they, you know, and now what that we're hopefully reaching the end point of the death writer's story with the world championship, it does feel like they're finally hitting their stride that moxley is kind of really figured this character out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there is you got to give them some kudos that

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is worth to the degree that the fans desperately want hang man to end, you know, this this group to get the title back and I don't think that's all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a negative way, just because everybody hates the death writers and doesn't like the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel it's finally hitting right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it, you can give it some credit, but to give it all the credit, that's ridiculous when it's really, you know, Osprey and Swerve have been doing incredible work for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman, his ascension, that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think is really getting people to buy into everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I don't know what do you think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I agree with you too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that take and I fiercely disagreed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I agree with you and we've said this on the show that the Death Rider stuff has been better the last couple of months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But overall, we said it for a month on the show that that was like the one thing on the show that wasn't hitting and everything else was and I think a lot of the names you mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Swirv

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[SPEAKER_02]: Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hangman like getting his mojo back here over the last year or so for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Timeless Tony storm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's been a draw as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the best thing in the world or Sadie's yet absolutely living up to her reputation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's been a lot of things happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, overall I think it's it's been a collective effort.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would not put the death writers at the forefront of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I do think is an advantage because like people want to see it happen so bad that the title will change hands and and finally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This big beautiful belt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He W. Rupp will go behind me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That big beautiful belt will get out of that briefcase.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can start showing it off again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's been a collective effort though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the everything I've heard is that backstage in a W, you know, they are hat is this is one of the highest periods in company histories for as morale goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People are really, really having a good time there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: catching up in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is always hard to do live.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with Tim's point here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always felt this and I adjust in your big Darby fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To the points of, and I am too, like, I like him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see him as a guy to be a world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely not right now as they're trying to kind of get to this next level with the company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you have to go to somebody who's better around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's been gone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to come back with a ton of momentum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People who get the pop when he returns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But stuff with hangman and even swore of an Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's been building for months and months and months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He can't really put him in the world title picture right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so to to Tim's point, I agree with what you said earlier that it doesn't him feuding with moxley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that doesn't need to be for the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, maybe they do moxley and Darby and eventually bring back Brian, you know, with that storyline to finally have the Brian moxley match that they've set up last fall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, they could do that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate the idea of Derby being AW World Champion at some point, but I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now is not the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman is so obviously all caps the guy that you gotta go with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a reason why the company's hot right now, and it's hangman, not Derby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Derby's been gone since what December.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a moment down the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a bunch of guys waiting in the wings for maybe a first or second world title reign, you know, Swerve Osprey, MJF, you know, the guys are there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it would just be really weird to me to put it on Derby right now or anytime soon for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's another match on this all-in card that could affect, you know, what the main event seen or at least the world title picture looks like for the coming year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which that could make things interesting or awkward, but that's TBD.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And let's go right into that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they added that stipulation on Dynamite this week with the young bucks taken on Will Osprey and Swerv Strickland.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, you know, before we knew it was the buck putting the EVP titles on the line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what they get out of that now is the stipulation of Osprey or Strickland cannot challenge for the world title for one full year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: if they lose the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know, Justin, you got nervous right away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I got a little nervous because I thought, all right, a year from now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have all in returning to the UK.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Osprey can finally challenge for the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He headlines the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that, but man, I just would not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they would really be hamstringing themselves to take two of their top guys totally out of the world title picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would screw over, hang man's potential reign to not be able to do the match with Swarve, which is something we all want to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't imagine them going down that route.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can just because of the Will Osprey aspect of it and like you already said, you know, all then going back to London next year, that could make for a pretty huge moment, you know, something to really lock in the fans for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it does hamstring the world title pitcher for another year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like, you know, five months from now, they could get out of that stipulation somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe there's a scenario where Swerve turns on Osprey and kind of aligns himself with the bucks so that he can get back in that world title pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: takes the title from Hangman, you know, maybe early next year, and then you build to all in Swerver's Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they've already given us two absolute classics in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know they have the chemistry to pull off a big match on a big stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's scenarios where you can work around it and I don't think the box is EVPs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It got a little obnoxious for a while the way they were utilizing this quote unquote power, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like would like to see them keep it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's another fun one though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could definitely see it go in either way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it immediately made me think of, you know, Cody's run in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How they did that stipulation where Cody couldn't challenge for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was a huge mistake.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you could go in our archives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We set it at a time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because for much of the early history AEW, it was clear that Cody should be the world title picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the guys that built the company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Initially it was one of the most over guys in the company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to take him out of the world title, seeing like that was

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[SPEAKER_02]: nonsense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never thought that was a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it definitely hampered his A, W, run a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he just said the TNT title, but he should have been at the top of the card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so to do that to two of these guys right now as the company is starting to feel like it's ascending again and it's starting to feel like it has real momentum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're honest on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At times when A, W has been down, we say it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've said when their TV was not as good as it had been at other times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It has been very good for the last several months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a delay factor here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes a while before you see the benefits of a company turning things around as it relates to live attendance, sometimes paper view numbers,

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[SPEAKER_02]: because you think back to like the WWF when they rose and ascended into nineteen ninety eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about on the show before that really started kind of in the summer of ninety seven when they started having much better story lines TV was much more appetizing and then ultimately they got to the point where they overtook WCW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think with AEW, yeah, I've

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's working with what they're doing with television, running these smaller venues that feel lively or because they're full, but then running the paper views and the bigger rena's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now they're starting to move more tickets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you follow the ticket sales, they have been much better of late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the TV viewership has started to tick up a little bit, like people are catching on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those of us that have been watching every week, we've been feeling as far a while, but I feel like it's starting to come to the wider audience now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they feel like they're starting to recapture some of that momentum that they had in like, two thousand and twenty-one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this kind of gets into the question that I put on the thumbnail, the show here on YouTube, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was, you know, Ken Hangman Page, be the guy that takes them to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is he the guy that, you know, if you think this company is starting to ascend again, is he the right choice for World Champion?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And can he be that guy just, but take some to the next level?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, like I don't know what his merchandise sales look like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I assume he's a mover, but you know, they have all the data.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they'd be pushing him as the main event of their biggest shell of the year if he wasn't moving numbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he wasn't moving merch, if people weren't tuning in for, you know, his segments on television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, everything to me says this is the character, this is the guy, this is the time, which, you know, again, not to take any thing away from Derby, but he's not Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just not on that level right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason why I could think of that they wouldn't go with Hangman right now is because there, it just feels like there's a little bit of a dirt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for heel challengers going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you could just keep maybe run back the moxley feud for a little bit after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's there's okada to cash to mjf, but you know, you I don't see where they're going to go moving forward after.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if hangman wins, but I think that's an easy problem to solve, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel about hangman right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, there is that issue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see the logical feud outside of Swerve, you know, but I think that they can elevate someone pretty quickly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, the counter argument is just that, oh well, we'll just continue people chasing Moxley, but they've done that for months now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think there's any more positives to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they have a deep bench of people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and they can pretty much take a heel and go full steam ahead with them and elevate that person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they have, they've got forbidden door coming up, you know, so they can just do an interpromotional match there, which gives them even more time to build up a credible challenger by the time you get to all out in Toronto.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think that's an easy problem to fix, you know, like you said, I'm not too concerned about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think with Hangman page,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest thing he has going for him is that he's clearly extremely authentic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you think of the people and wrestling history, they get that buy-in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're either like just an over-the-top, looking personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you could think of somebody like a Hogan in that regard, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or they're super authentic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And people buy everything that they're selling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That used to be CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like that's how when he really got over in twenty eleven, it was because he seemed like the authentic guy that shined through the TV screen to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's definitely hangman page right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has that believability factor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The character work is the best in the company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been pounding this drum for months and months and months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the merchandise point, I just pulled up their top sellers on Shopify.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's always in the top five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, it's MJF, Swerv, Tony Storm, Hangman, Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's in that top five pretty much every time I look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's moving a lot of merch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he has the coolest merchandise on average.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Any time he released something new, it's like, yeah, I'd wear that in public.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has a really good merchandise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's moving merch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's the buy-in from the hardcore audience, but if you're just tuning into AEW, you never watched him before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and you see him come out that tunnel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The presentation, dude, the entrance that he has.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this the way the camera swoops over that tunnel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got a good theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All that stuff matters and pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then the look on his face when he walks out like it's it's all there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's contagious to anybody watching that this is a guy to to believe in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think he could take it to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was champion the last time this company had real momentum in twenty one into twenty two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously we had all the new faces there too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And some of that took away from his title ran like maybe didn't get the spot like like he deserved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he was still doing awesome stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was headlining shows with those big matches against Brian.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they did the two big matches on Dynamite at the end of twenty one into early twenty two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's been the guy before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I see no reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly,

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[SPEAKER_02]: people know John Moxley, but he feels just kind of feel stale at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has the one break, but he's mostly been around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it does feel like completely to your point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There feels like there's one more level that Hangman could go as the face of the franchise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we didn't say it, but like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what the hell would him losing at all in due to him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that would just completely kneecap any of the momentum as we've already said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman is a huge reason why they're being so successful, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in another point that we didn't bring up about why AEW is, I think doing so much better is that it seems since they signed that TV deal that they have the full backing of Warner Brothers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they had the

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing with Superman, the movie that's coming out, just reason there was another one, not too long ago, but it's, uh, this, so lame, but there feels like a synergy there with, with the company and Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, we got Paul Oveck in this podcast now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the HBO Max stuff has also been really big.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, paper is going to get on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're still working out the kinks with the technology.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think from an exposure perspective, that's been huge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not privy to any of the numbers of what the HBO streams are doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you see the headlines of their TBS viewership, is the best they've had in months and months and months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And none of that factors in HBO, you really know they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The show is being watched by over a million people every week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no question about it when you add an HBO.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, their viewership is way, way up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: HBO is helped as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just, yeah, really excited with, or this company has headed, and to see if Hangman can be that guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say Justin, and I saw people talking about this group here in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to bring this up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of my concerns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a little bit about AEW right now to kind of flip in the other direction, because we're talking about possible challenges for page.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm seeing, you know, do they go right to Swerve, John said, or bring up Fletcher, MJF, one of the heart syndicate people, maybe Bobby Lashley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that'd be cool, Hangman and Bobby Lashley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's one of my concerns, and I said this from the very beginning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never liked putting MJF with that group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think it worked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, to hurt Syndicate was doing, they just naturally were getting over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were like the coolest guys on the show, the crowd reactions do them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like they might have been presented as heels, but they were way like the fans loved them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now with MJF, it just made it confusing because you're supposed to boo MJF.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's been a detriment to that group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Hertz Syndicate has lost a ton of momentum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have kept MJF with him this long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're got to do the split soon because I think actually it's really hampering Shelton and Bob you Ashley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts on that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've enjoyed it a little bit more than you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do agree that MJF definitely steals some of the spotlight away from the Hertz indicate and it does make things confusing with the heel baby face, which maybe that's what they wanted was to kind of more solidify this group as heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: rather than baby faces, you know, the crowd can still chance along with, we hurt people, even if they're bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just, there seems to be a really great relationship between MJF and MVP that really comes across on screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just kind of works for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find the fact that he wears, you know, the MVP like single it now, the giant, well, one piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get a kick out of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't drag it out for much longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of figured, you know, the all in match was probably going to be MJF versus Bobby Lashley, but obviously they're going in a different direction now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see it does feel like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was an uptick with the tag division there for a while when Hertz Syndicate got the titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it feels like we're back into a little bit of a law.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that could be because, you know, the focus is more on Hertz Syndicate as a group and not as the tag team champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would not be shocked if Jet Speed actually wins the titles at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously there's the patriarchy part of that too, which was just added as a third team to that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like like it more new, but I definitely see your point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just such a huge fan of those guys when they're on their rise when they're fresh and they just feel like they don't stand out to me anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's more just about MJF and they're the background and it'll be fine when they do the split.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of different directions they could go here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they could lose a jet speed like you said, MJF could cost them the tag titles and then you get into that feud and maybe you do Bobby and MJF and a number one

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tender's match and he set up a feud for Hangman, but then whoard is that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave Shelton, you know, that would be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God, you could put the, if you wanted to, you could keep swarve and aspirated together, you could give them a run with the tag titles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be fun for a little while at least.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have a lot of interesting directions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't like MJF in the group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I think it's a little confusing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know why they're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess if they wanted to get the heal reaction for the hurt syndicate, but like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also setting up Bobby M. J. F. But I just felt like they would get their sooner than they are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, everybody knows M. J. F. It's going to turn on them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's obvious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's the only, like, I'm not even hugely negative on it, but just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see where it goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just the rest of the car we can talk about here real quick since the show is next week and already timeless Tony and Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously everybody really looking forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a feel on which direction they could go with that for the winner?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Mercedes is still undefeated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do they keep rolling with that for a while?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If any of that makes you wonder like, well, who are the challengers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the person that's going to give the rub from finally beating her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think Mercedes has done a great job of solidifying herself in A, W, making her feel like an A, W talent and not like an outsider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony's been there for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's the top act in the women's division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a win, win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in my opinion, that either outcome is totally fine with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gut telling you something?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Mercedes might win, but I'm not, I am, I'm not super sure where they're going with this one at all, which makes it a lot more appealing to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this was one hundred percent the right call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for this one, you know, to make this the match at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we kind of talked about possible directions before this was the result coming out of the own tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think in the end, this was the marquee match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they do have the casino gauntlet matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, you could put over Athena and then do Athena Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Run that back as a title program next.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, it's always tough because Tony is is the the best women's wrestler in the world right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think just all around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In ring character, but you know, Mercedes is right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, for all the concerns that people had where she came in, that she was going to live up to the contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has made those people look like fools.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I don't think there's obviously there's no harm and put in title on her and there's stuff you can do that direction as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think right now Mercedes is my pick and then doing something with Athena, but I would not be surprised either way to be honest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it always comes down to as long as they got a plan for whoever's going to lose this match, then I'm okay with it as long as that plays out well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, oh, God, Kenny frontants in the US.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be incredible unifying the continental and international titles into the unified championship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I see title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the I see title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think for this one, direction wise?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this one's got to be Omega, you know, kind of just like with Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God has been, you know, he said a long win streak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He feels like a truly big deal again in A, W to the point where I don't think he'd be hurt by this loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just, I mean, Kenny's on fire right now, you know, he just got back from that long stretch of being away with what was in the diverticulitis and you just got to keep going with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to make him the big deal going forward and maybe move a cot on to other stuff like hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hundred percent agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gotta go with Kenny, I'll make it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of all the big matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the only one I feel is like a certainty of it's got to be Omega.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a great, great response from the live crowd when it happens too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Looks like our chat is pretty much on board with Mercedes winning the women's match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Omega wins, drops at the C-II.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Hopes says, uh, I'll get some talk earlier on the tag team title situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, O'Cott versus Paige.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that could be a good direction to Tim's point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of the car, I mean, we talked about some of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about the tag team title just briefly here a minute ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about Swerve Osprey and the box.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the two gauntlet matches could see a return of Darby and the men's remains to be seen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, Adam Cole and Fletcher for the TNT title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I saw the, you know, Carl made this point earlier about how Cole futed with Hangman in his original run as champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're looking back, maybe it doesn't look great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you got to remember Adam Cole came in with so much momentum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were in the building just and that place went freaking nuts when Adam Cole walked out at all out twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think in those first few months when he was around man, I don't have any problem with them doing that as a title match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that revolution?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And twenty two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, now he just kind of feels like just a guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, giving this chance to carry a title with the TNT title, see what he can do with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Try to elevate it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's high up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, regardless of how we feel about him or a lot of us feel about Adam Cole, he still gets a huge response from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You look, you look at the, the poppy got in a reenamexco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is a pretty good use of him to put over somebody like Fletcher, which I really hope happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Fletcher should actually probably nuke a little bit at all in, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's lost a lot with us, but there is a wider audience that still thinks of him as a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see Fletcher winning this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to be flat here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would squash him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will be talking about it all next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Deep diving.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're looking for us to review Saturday nights, main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's where our focus is going to be just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You think?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We might briefly just talk about the results depending on when we do our show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We might be head to head to Saturday nights, main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when we're going to do the review.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But damn, yeah, this this this card is looking outstanding going to be a really fun show as of right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's eight matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll add to that this week, but man, for those of you that are going live.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So very jealous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very jealous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to ask earlier in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he's still here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it about, you know, pet co park survivor series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that WWE or A, W could run Yankee Stadium?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why mean they're running an MLB stadium right here with the Ranger Stadium?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yankee Stadium?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be cool as hell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the biggest population base and then in the Northeast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're at least two years out from another A, W stadium show here in the US because next year they go back to Wembley for all of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the year after that,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they try something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said it on the show at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When punk was here, should it on a rigley field show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would have been so cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would have sold out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it still got a lot of support in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they could do that long term.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think running a classic baseball, then you would be super cool for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we got to see, we got to see where this momentum takes them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if their growth happens as we see it happening here over the next several months and years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, my dream scenario is that the momentum carries enough where they could do something huge in New Orleans for dynasty for what was originally supposed to be WrestleMania weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think they could pull off the super dome, but you know, that's the dream of dreams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still be fun, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I could talk you into going to that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If they had it, the smoothy king center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a little bit easier than Arlington Texas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No offense to all of our Texas listeners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just yeah, just the usually the flights are fairly cheap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, I would have gone, but for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So weird if it jacked up that weekend, and if I could have got like a hundred and fifty dollar round flight trip, I don't like Cedar Rapids Iowa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have done it for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't mind, but not not happening right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh guys before we go any further we're gonna hit some WWE stuff here in just a second few housekeeping items I said it at the top but if you're not already subscribed to us here on YouTube or your favorite podcasting platform please make sure that you do that helps us out a lot helps us in the algorithm if you haven't clicked like on this live video yet I put in the chat at the very start of the show please click like that also helps us in the more likes the live stream has the more gets pushed by YouTube and I also wanted to mention one other thing before we move on and that is

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just started this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God damn, I should have done an Independence Day sale on our store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't had a sale on the top of our nation merch store in quite some time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I put up a sale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me share the screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just comes through.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm calling it the Independence Day hangover sale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty percent off everything in the top rope nation store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll automatically appear in your car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can get to our stores.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go to top rope nation.com and click merge and they'll take you to the store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Easy way to get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got some new merch lately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just I don't know if I even showed you this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, like you can see right here, we have, it's kind of like the chest logo, kind of more subdued.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Top rope nation, unplug, Jesse's Patreon show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can get that up to like, fourteen different colors, comfort colors, t-shirts, which I'm wearing one right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got the top rope nation logo shirt here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It comes in like, fourteen different colors as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It says, twenty five dollars, but that's before the twenty percent off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you take another five dollars off of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And twenty dollars for a comfort colors, custom printed shirt is pretty darn cheap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Got a new water bottle here for the summer and T.R.N.

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[SPEAKER_02]: logo on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Got some long sleeves, of course, for this fall as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's lots of different merch items.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about the rocks glass at Justin and I have, we got pint glasses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of course, here's some of that glassware.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This, we can assure you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We use it on the show when we do evening shows all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These glass, they are very, very high quality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, twelve dollars for a printed rocks glass is really cheap and then twenty percent off of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have like ten bucks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, I have the one with the Tierra and logo on it and I use it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was very impressed when that came in the mail.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very heavy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The logos on there really well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: all the coffee mugs, water, but all of the stuff supports what we're doing here on the show, helps so that I can give Justin the Jesse a bonus on their monthly paycheck as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you guys want some merch, this is a good way to support the show, just scrolling through it if you're not on the video feed, but we got a lot of different designs up here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I need to do a top-rotemation classics design.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one we don't have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there's a lot of options here again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Topropination.com.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to get in on the twenty percent off sale, that is going to end forty eight hours from now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So God, what day is it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it Sunday?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tuesday at noon, that sale will end so you can get in on that and support the pie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Real quick, WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first day I wanted to bring up Justin was this AJ style situation, because the fightful had to report this week, because we talked about this on the show about possibly AJ coming over to AW, recindling some stuff with his old bullet club team members, perhaps doing something interesting, late in his career here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is he, forty eight years old?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say it sounds right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he is, yeah, forty eight years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, AJ is signed a one year extension.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with the WWE to take him to forty nine years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: With WWE, I guess, you know, he can jump in a year if he wants to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy that guy is getting paid, but, you know, as a guy, Justin, who has been a big fan of AJ Styles going back almost twenty five years, love to stuff the TNA back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a sound negative on WWE, but this is, this is just boring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it not like what is there for, for AJ Styles to do in the WWE?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like he wouldn't get

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate well NAW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure WWE is paying him very heavily, but this guy's made a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just, you know, selfishly as a fan, I just think creatively would have been so much more interesting to see him do something new.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're long past the Jake Roberts rule here with AJ Styles, you know, he came in almost ten years ago, rumble in twenty sixteen, hard to believe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to stick around another year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you make of this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I must be nice to be rich.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the only reason I could think of, because he is not in an unlike Ryan, I am a little bit biased.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, he hasn't done anything interesting since like, twenty-nineteen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be hard pressed to think about any interesting feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, he's AJ Styles, so even, you know, an average match is going to be pretty damn good, but even then I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a hard time thinking of any, you know, classics that he's had in the past six years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially when compared to how amazing those first two years were in the company, it's just

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have just been more interesting to see him jump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think about there's guys in AW that I would like to see jump to WWE just because it would freshen things up, make things more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, look what jumping did for Cody, look what jumping did for swirf strickland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you just need to do something to freshen things up, you know, ricochet is another perfect example of of jumping and just trying new things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a huge snore for me, seeing him extend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like you said, he's got to be making great bank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the comfort of consistency of working at the same place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more than just money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all the relationships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he has there and doesn't want to leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as a fan, it's just boring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the big positive AWs to have over WWB is they didn't really run house shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did a few of them, but they don't do it at all anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you get that lighter schedule.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now WWB is pretty much dropped house shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They do them occasionally, but their schedule is not as grueling as it used to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you understand the factor of like the familiarity and just being comfortable there for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I agree outside of the Cody match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did it like clash at the castle and they yeah, they just hotshot at that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he just became a challenger out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't really had the memorable feuds or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just kind of a guy there that he's reliable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He'll have good matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you know, selfishly as a fan like to seem to do something more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, we say the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the other direction, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about people that should jump to AAW, but we also have talked about people who should jump to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know we said Jade for a long time would be much better in the WWE system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gotten a little better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're down, but we talked about people jumping the other direction as well and how that can help them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it goes both ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll probably be saying this in like two to three years if we're still doing this show that there's people that've been in a W now for almost a decade maybe time to move over the other direction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just WB's been the consistent company for years and there's people that have been there a decade who have a history with some of the people that founded a W and that you know, they could do some interesting things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, history is a little hard to your point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: World is a guy who has W W written all over him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He we've talked about that before too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: History has shown that wrestling is at its most fun when there's two viable large companies, if only to have guys jump around, to move around, to have the big, they abuse out of nowhere and just bring so much more exciting, regardless of what side of the fence you fall on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just makes the business way more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we started this show in twenty sixty and there was one company we would occasionally talk about New Japan back then, but it was mostly all WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Little ROH here and there when, you know, the bullet club was rising, but it's way better now to have two national companies to go back and forth on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about one of those companies is doing next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are doing NXT great American Bash head to head with all in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: look man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, when is evolution?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought evolution was that day, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's the next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the great American bash and XT show does go head to head with all in during the afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to be watching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you're going to watch that over all and more power to you, but I can't imagine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine tuning in for that show, but that night they do have Saturday nights main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just hit the car real quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These are the three matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Orton versus Drew McIntyre, set this up over TV this week, LA night versus Seth Rollins, set that up this week on TV and then a couple of weeks ago as we know, Gunther against Bill Goldberg.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bill Goldberg wins the World Heavyweight title just hours after Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look at those moves side by side, which wrestling promotion do you want to watch?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel like the only reason to put on Goldberg would be to do like a quick title change in Seth Cash's end or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just cannot imagine them giving Goldberg a run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be horrendous booking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The way Paul affects booking has been the last few weeks or a few months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I can't put it past him, but my god, please do not do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It never, it didn't need the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that they cleared that part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what gets me nervous because maybe they feel like an NBC show needs a title match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but like

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when they, when they did match with him and Jay, we talked about it at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have Seth Cashin do the title change on Raw that week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do it instead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther wins the title back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Clean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here we are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little worried.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but like I hope Gunther wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: such a shitty thing to do to Gunther too, just to have him drop the title to Goldberg only for like Rollins to cash in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's the point of that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so lame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther's doing tremendous work right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been one of the few things I actually really enjoy watching on WWE television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to do that to him would be really shitty, especially for a guy who's like, would that be Goldberg's last match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to have him

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[SPEAKER_00]: beat one of your world champions and then just drop the title to money in the bank cash in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's lame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's real lame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I share hope not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's brief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at Goldberg's last several matches, I've run down this and I think the extra shows and I know Jesse's talked about it on plug two, but mostly he's not had good outings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you need to keep this brief smoke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been losing in all of his matches in the last couple of times he's returned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to pull up his matches again because I've blocked some of this for my memory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he beat he beat Bobby Lashley at crown jewel twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was his second to last match, but then he lost a Roman at elimination chamber in twenty two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was his last match he had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a six minute match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He lost a latchally before that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Summerslam, twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He lost a Mac entire before that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He lost a bronze strumming before that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then he did beat the fiend for the title, a super showdown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the time, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had fucking match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think his highest rated match out of the last several was the one where he'd be, lastly, and it was a false county or a match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dave went three and three quarters on that one, but other than that, they've pretty much all been bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one with Roman was real short, like a six minute match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was the score on that one?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Three point four to what a ten on cage match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dave gave it two stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was his last match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that I mean, that's a six minute match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't go much longer than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you just can't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, there's no reason to do any title change here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I sure hope not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Give him his, his Sianara here in Atlanta and be done with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's on Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That will be after all in ends because all in starts during the early afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This will be evening time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to go from watching all ended this, that's your bag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will watch it at some point for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then the next day, they have evolution too in Atlanta and man, the scheduling for this show, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They run in this at the state farm arena in Atlanta and just down the way at the home of the Atlanta Falcons at the very same time as a Beyonce concert.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they are having a hard time moving tickets for this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got six matches announced.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are doing Jade Cargo and Naomi and a no holds barred match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he just set this one up on SmackDown tape Monday, but aired Friday night, Tiffany Stratton against Trish Stratus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, we've done this thing where the champions get to choose who they are challenging.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or who is challenging them, I should say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Tiffany is taking on a returning Trish Stratus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then EOS guy is taking on real Ripley, which should be an awesome match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got Raquel Rodriguez and Roxanne Perez defending the women's tag titles against the new team of Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair and two other teams that have not yet been determined.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got JC Jane defending the NXT women's title against Jordan Grace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She'll be a good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, they got a battle royal for a women's title match at Clash in Paris coming up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have not announced the participants for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's going to be the match where everyone gets thrown in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have a spot on the card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, like the cards decent, I'll watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just sucks that like, you know, I could, I could see some of the people who are in charge in WWE saying, oh boy, you know, the tickets move pretty slow for that show, not sure we can do another all women's paper view event, despite the fact that they went head to head with like one of the biggest touring acts in the world in the same town on the same night, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a shame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're in a bit of a death spot if you're thinking about this like a wrestling card that three big shows on Saturday, Beyonce on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been so long since they've done this show and it was so cool when they did it originally, given the ladies their own giant spotlight and it's just such a disservice to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they're just trying to stick it to AWS and that's lame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't even be thinking about AEW, but just such a disservice to these ladies to put them in this spot where it's just, I don't like it at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is no Beyonce concert Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Saturday night's main event is airing that night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a Mercedes-Benz stadium on Thursday, Friday, Sunday and Monday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Four shows in Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cowboy Carter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to Carl's point, you're right, if you forgot to read that one up, but they also have a triple threat for the women's icy title with Becky defending against Bailey and Lyra Valkyria.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So those are your seven matches for evolution as of right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Jesse will watch for sure too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll cover that either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: probably like several days after, maybe we'll hit on, I'm sure he'll hit it on unplugged that week and then we'll probably hit on it in two weeks here on the flagship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, because by the time that show happens, we will have done our all-in review either Saturday night or Sunday mornings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be, it'll be too late to cover that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I think I've hit everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to cover Justin, do you have anything?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that covers it all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, hey, it's been two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was definitely looking forward to getting on here with you, looking forward to doing the beach blast show Tuesday night for the patrons with both of you guys as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Should be a good time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate everybody that tuned in live here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Give you a little WWE, a little AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And next weekend, a huge one for pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be covering it all with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just any parting comments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope everybody had a fun and safe Independence Day weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did a lot of grilling as they know Justin to this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, same sir.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This has been episode a three eighty eight of top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will be talking to you all again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We also take care everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy your week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Peace.