Feb. 15, 2026
Classics: Hitman Hart Wrestling With Shadows
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tomorrow's the big showdown in Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably the biggest flight of my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This great story I've been living for the last 15 years to come to an end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to Vince and he goes, you have to lose to show on in Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do that, I can't do it, I can't, I can't do it, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I described events, I just assumed blow my brains out, would be the same, but the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're asking me to do, and from a character standpoint, that's what I would be doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be taking Brett to hit Man Hardwood, blow his, uh, blow his brains out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's up, everybody?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the 73rd edition of Top Ropination Classic a little different this month because we are not going to be talking about an event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, we are talking about a documentary, perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The most influential pro wrestling documentary of all time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the first,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Behind the scenes looks at the wrestling industry, this one was released in December of 1998 officially it came out on home video then it aired on Canadian television in November of 1998 for the first time it then aired in the United States on A and E
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[SPEAKER_03]: In December of 1998, the home video came out in December and the home video release in the U.S. was about six months later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe in like the spring early summer of 1999.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the end of 1998 is when everyone was seeing it for the very first time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I am talking about hitman heart wrestling with shadows directed by Paul J. Justin joint.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When was the first time you saw this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe when it premiered on any of which, you know, I broke out the VHS and our home VHS recorder recorded this documentary and then proceeded to show it to all of my friends even when they did not want to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I should I also show this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not wrestling fans at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched this two nights ago and my wife was in the room and she stayed with it way past her normal bedtime because she got locked in and this I mean she she tolerates a lot of my wrestling stuff but in this case she was super into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had my wife watch this, I believe when we were dating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she actually enjoyed it too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's always like to be high in the scene stuff, so more than actually watching events.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Jesse, what about you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Start to finish a week ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, so first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Start to finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I've seen numerous clips over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just never really, you can revoke my wrestling fandom right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never really saw a point to go back and watching the full thing and when I was kind of in the mystific back then I don't even know if I had heard it back then as plugged in as the wrestling as I was which is really odd so that is super weird but I guess you had said you were more of a WCW guy right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah yeah I definitely was but having watched it a week ago and then watching it again parts last night and then the rest of it today I missed out on a lot I
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was Steve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you watch Beyond the Matt or your fan of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I did see Beyond the Matt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was about six months after it was released.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beyond the map, it'd be fun to review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't watched that one in a really, really long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think beyond the map was one of the first DVDs I actually purchased.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That one DVD players were coming out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did that came out six months after this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like it would have been longer than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wouldn't it be like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it was 2000 maybe, but I don't know for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can look it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because what would the big part of that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: documentary was the rock and folly royal rumble mash what that wasn't that 99 okay so beyond the map I mean it was made in 99 but the it looks like it had a brief theatrical run in March of 2000 I don't believe it it wasn't a theater here but then it came out of DVD in August of 2000 and I know when I bought beyond the map on DVD
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had one DVD player in our house and it was my dad's like in our main living room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was it But I wanted to buy the DVD so I bought it, but I always had a permission to watch it because that's the only one we had in the house Hitman hurt wrestling with shadows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a story about buying that VHS and I realized I must have I just dug it out And must have left it in the other room so while I go grab it Justin and Jesse talk about what you're drinking tonight I'll be right back Justin and go
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I've got, like in the middle of a sneeze here, so I'll try and get it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I just knocked over my mic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just pseudo-su from me today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think of it until after I'd got home, I wish I would have grabbed some like Canadian mulsin or some labaths blue to celebrate the Canadian kind of entrenched topic of today, but unfortunately I didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So just grab one of my favorite IPAs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds delicious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went with my favorite non-alcoholic IPA, the Athletic Hesie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and when Ryan gets back, I am going to leave for a couple of minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say you were doing a flossing job of just standing completely still in that movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost uncanny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I do, I am shook, but yeah, that you hadn't seen this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is, I mean, like, I gobbled it up when it came.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously you're not as big of a bread heart fan as we are, but I would think just being a wrestling fan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and just knowing the significance of the Montreal screw job and then like just all the back stage stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess if you hadn't watched it, you don't really know what the content was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I should have in that moment because I was into like wow magazine back in the late 90s and all of that and I ate up anything that was behind the scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know I said I've watched probably the last 35 40 minutes of it and broken parts over the years and just never went back to watch the very beginning of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what do we have for drinks?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Justin, what do you got?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sudo, Sue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I told Jesse, I didn't think of it until I got home, but I wish I were to grab some like Canadian mulls in or look back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like little Bat blue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jesse, what do you have?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went athletic, uh, daisy, non alcoholic IPA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have, well, I have the TRN classics, glass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I got the rocks, glass, I got to get whiskey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm just going to chase it with some coarse bank, what nothing special.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting after it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hug another pseudo-su here at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I shall return, I'm going to get this camera issue fixed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was scrambling because I dug this video out of my storage room, and I could find anywhere just like, where the hell did I set it down?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I realized I set it on the ground of our storage room, because there was something else I thought of to get out of the storage room while I was in there, and then I forgot to pick the tape back up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the second thing, I'll save for later in the show, but it was something I remembered that I had.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll break that out towards the end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, is it a giant, is it a giant electric chair?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Animatronic?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I did find the VHS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go full screen for a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I told this in our discord this story, but I got the VHS of rest of my shadows before it was released in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I quite vividly remember freshman year, ninth grade.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was playing basketball and I remember coming home for basketball practice and the video was waiting for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually went on the web archive and I found the old website of breadheartvideo.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can look it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's where you could order it from and this at the time I ordered it, it wasn't even known if this would ever be broadcast in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it was actually going to be a Canadian only TV release.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the VHS copy that I have, I'll show you here, looks a little bit different than the one that released in stores in the middle of 1999.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's the cover, which looks similar, although at the bottom, it says Brettheartvideo.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you can see that and there's like a phone number, the regular
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[SPEAKER_03]: It looks, that's ring light screen camera, but it looks a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can see it says like Rogers, Canada, the bottom national film board, Canada, high road productions, you actually had to buy this like personally through high road productions, which was like Paul J's, the directors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I remember and I sent a money order off in the mail to get this, you know, being a massive Brett Hart fan when I found the website that was going to be coming out and was able to get this in the mail again, like about six months before it actually was available for purchase in the US, came from Canada in the mail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I had at least a few weeks before it aired on A&E, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know how many people ordered at the US, but I got to imagine I was one of a handful that actually went above and beyond to order this thing like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And still, I just lose Jesse still have my original copy here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This heap itself probably looks about the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, did you not rewind that the last time you watched it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It did not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably won't watch the video tape of this since the early 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I later bought it on DVD and the DVD version came combined with the A&E biography of
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[SPEAKER_03]: Owen Hart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It has been released on Blue Ray now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I once ordered that on Amazon and it was never delivered and I finally canceled my order.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I waited like months and months and they never shipped it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, maybe I'll try again sometime, but it is on Blue Ray at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have two copies of it already.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't mind getting the Blue Ray.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm trying to order it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It never shipped out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see, but it's it's available for free on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you guys haven't seen this in a while or if you've never seen it Go on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty easy to find there's there's a couple good scans of it on YouTube and you can watch the full thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're Yes, you know this why the hell of you never watch this documentary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I was thinking back to when I first heard about this, I'm pretty sure I've talked about this on the show before, but I would always call like the city line wrestling hotline here in my hometown in Justin's hometown, like every week that I have a new episode up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember hearing, in like, sometime in the summer or fall of 1996, the Canadian television was going to be making a documentary on the life of Bret Hart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I knew that they were filming something and I remember when I heard that I wanted to like pay real close attention to how I could see that someday because at the time, you know, they said it would only ever air on Canadian television, but they're doing like some kind of behind the same scene things on Brett and they were filming him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I heard that like right around the time that he's getting ready to come back to the WWE of in the fall of 96.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that would have been the first time I heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, it wouldn't have been until they probably started promoting it before, you know, it's showing up on any, I wasn't quite as locked in, I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: somewhat utilize that city line, but I don't remember hearing about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was such a dummy that that would have probably registered with me anyways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I look like a documentary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I called that thing religiously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was practically calling it every day to see if there was updates.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have the internet yet, so like that was, you know, 96.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was my
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[SPEAKER_03]: that was my original gateway to be hiding the scenes news.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, it was probably just a guy ripping off the observer, just reading the observer or the torch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, that's all I got my behind the scenes news when I was 12 and 13 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, I've poured the buffalo trace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to crack open the coars banquet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did want to say, we're running this classic a little different since it's not a traditional wrestling event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it was filmed over the course of months and months and months.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not doing like the pop culture segments or any of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to kind of just straight up review the film now, I think, is we're just going to jump right into it and kind of talk about how the film plays out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, can I start off with my first nitpick?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The title, why the hitman heart?
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[SPEAKER_02]: wrestling with shadows is perfect, but like why not bread hard or just hit man or I don't know I just hit man hard is so weird to me, just an odd choice to have the the back half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you would like his name and it for recognition, but then it would make like your sand and make more sense to be Brett Hart wrestling with Shax.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was an odd choice, but I mean, wrestling with Shadows is absolutely perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in I guess to, no, I don't want to step on it until you go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's what the back of the video says as far as like the description says.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Granted, unprecedented access, director Paul J's, hitman Hart wrestling with Shadows, goes behind the tightly guarded walls of wrestling's world,
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[SPEAKER_03]: we say and goes behind the tightly guarded walls of wrestling's world of grand spectacle and theater.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The film explores the meaning of today's wrestling morality plays and then as fantasy crosses into real life reveals the true story of breadhardt struggle with Vince McMahon, legendary owner of the WWF.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The film climaxes with the tail of the biggest real double cross in the history of pro wrestling hitman heart wrestling Washadows is a film about good and evil sacrifice and greed loyalty and betrayal and a man in a world of moral uncertainty fighting to keep a sense of personal dignity and truth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to think of another example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there's some out there of a documentary
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of starting off with one general subject in mind, and it just kind of accidentally walking head on into one of like some huge epic event that completely changes the trajectory of the subject.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If anybody's listening, they can think of another example, doesn't even have to be wrestling, but I mean, the luck,
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[SPEAKER_02]: involved with this documentary, just absolutely incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And real quick, I just before we actually get into the doc itself, should we talk about how it came to be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The documentary itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beyond just like the Canadian TV background, do you got more on that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, just the fact that isn't the director as Paul Barth, Paul Jay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Jay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why did I get Barth from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anywho, Paul Jay contacted Brett Hart because he saw an interview with him with, now that escapes me, but he just thought he came off as very honest and so Brett met up with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They talked and they got along and they wanted to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the reason that this documentary,
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[SPEAKER_02]: exists in more importantly, the reason why it exists with the access it has to the back stage stuff is because Vince desperately needed to re-sign Brett because he could, you know, at that time he could not leave it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tomorrow's the big showdown in Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably the biggest flight of my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This great story I've been living for the last 15 years to come to an end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to Vince and he goes, you have to lose to show on in Montreal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do that, I can't do it, I can't, I can't do it, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I described events, I just assumed blow my brains out, would be the same, but the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're asking me to do, and from a character standpoint, that's what I would be doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be taking Brett to hit Man Hardwood, blow his, uh, blow his brains out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's up, everybody?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the 73rd edition of Top Ropination Classic a little different this month because we are not going to be talking about an event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, we are talking about a documentary, perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The most influential pro wrestling documentary of all time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the first,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Behind the scenes looks at the wrestling industry, this one was released in December of 1998 officially it came out on home video then it aired on Canadian television in November of 1998 for the first time it then aired in the United States on A and E
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[SPEAKER_03]: In December of 1998, the home video came out in December and the home video release in the U.S. was about six months later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe in like the spring early summer of 1999.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the end of 1998 is when everyone was seeing it for the very first time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I am talking about hitman heart wrestling with shadows directed by Paul J. Justin joint.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When was the first time you saw this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe when it premiered on any of which, you know, I broke out the VHS and our home VHS recorder recorded this documentary and then proceeded to show it to all of my friends even when they did not want to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I should I also show this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not wrestling fans at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched this two nights ago and my wife was in the room and she stayed with it way past her normal bedtime because she got locked in and this I mean she she tolerates a lot of my wrestling stuff but in this case she was super into it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had my wife watch this, I believe when we were dating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she actually enjoyed it too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's always like to be high in the scene stuff, so more than actually watching events.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Jesse, what about you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Start to finish a week ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, so first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Start to finish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I've seen numerous clips over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just never really, you can revoke my wrestling fandom right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never really saw a point to go back and watching the full thing and when I was kind of in the mystific back then I don't even know if I had heard it back then as plugged in as the wrestling as I was which is really odd so that is super weird but I guess you had said you were more of a WCW guy right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah yeah I definitely was but having watched it a week ago and then watching it again parts last night and then the rest of it today I missed out on a lot I
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was Steve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you watch Beyond the Matt or your fan of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I did see Beyond the Matt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was about six months after it was released.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beyond the map, it'd be fun to review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't watched that one in a really, really long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think beyond the map was one of the first DVDs I actually purchased.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That one DVD players were coming out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did that came out six months after this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like it would have been longer than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wouldn't it be like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it was 2000 maybe, but I don't know for sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can look it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because what would the big part of that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: documentary was the rock and folly royal rumble mash what that wasn't that 99 okay so beyond the map I mean it was made in 99 but the it looks like it had a brief theatrical run in March of 2000 I don't believe it it wasn't a theater here but then it came out of DVD in August of 2000 and I know when I bought beyond the map on DVD
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had one DVD player in our house and it was my dad's like in our main living room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was it But I wanted to buy the DVD so I bought it, but I always had a permission to watch it because that's the only one we had in the house Hitman hurt wrestling with shadows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a story about buying that VHS and I realized I must have I just dug it out And must have left it in the other room so while I go grab it Justin and Jesse talk about what you're drinking tonight I'll be right back Justin and go
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I've got, like in the middle of a sneeze here, so I'll try and get it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I just knocked over my mic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just pseudo-su from me today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think of it until after I'd got home, I wish I would have grabbed some like Canadian mulsin or some labaths blue to celebrate the Canadian kind of entrenched topic of today, but unfortunately I didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So just grab one of my favorite IPAs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds delicious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went with my favorite non-alcoholic IPA, the Athletic Hesie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and when Ryan gets back, I am going to leave for a couple of minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say you were doing a flossing job of just standing completely still in that movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost uncanny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I do, I am shook, but yeah, that you hadn't seen this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is, I mean, like, I gobbled it up when it came.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously you're not as big of a bread heart fan as we are, but I would think just being a wrestling fan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and just knowing the significance of the Montreal screw job and then like just all the back stage stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess if you hadn't watched it, you don't really know what the content was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I should have in that moment because I was into like wow magazine back in the late 90s and all of that and I ate up anything that was behind the scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know I said I've watched probably the last 35 40 minutes of it and broken parts over the years and just never went back to watch the very beginning of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what do we have for drinks?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Justin, what do you got?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sudo, Sue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I told Jesse, I didn't think of it until I got home, but I wish I were to grab some like Canadian mulls in or look back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like little Bat blue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jesse, what do you have?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went athletic, uh, daisy, non alcoholic IPA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have, well, I have the TRN classics, glass.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I got the rocks, glass, I got to get whiskey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm just going to chase it with some coarse bank, what nothing special.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting after it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hug another pseudo-su here at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I shall return, I'm going to get this camera issue fixed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was scrambling because I dug this video out of my storage room, and I could find anywhere just like, where the hell did I set it down?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I realized I set it on the ground of our storage room, because there was something else I thought of to get out of the storage room while I was in there, and then I forgot to pick the tape back up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the second thing, I'll save for later in the show, but it was something I remembered that I had.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll break that out towards the end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, is it a giant, is it a giant electric chair?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Animatronic?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I did find the VHS.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go full screen for a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I told this in our discord this story, but I got the VHS of rest of my shadows before it was released in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I quite vividly remember freshman year, ninth grade.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was playing basketball and I remember coming home for basketball practice and the video was waiting for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually went on the web archive and I found the old website of breadheartvideo.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can look it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's where you could order it from and this at the time I ordered it, it wasn't even known if this would ever be broadcast in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it was actually going to be a Canadian only TV release.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the VHS copy that I have, I'll show you here, looks a little bit different than the one that released in stores in the middle of 1999.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's the cover, which looks similar, although at the bottom, it says Brettheartvideo.com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you can see that and there's like a phone number, the regular
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[SPEAKER_03]: It looks, that's ring light screen camera, but it looks a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can see it says like Rogers, Canada, the bottom national film board, Canada, high road productions, you actually had to buy this like personally through high road productions, which was like Paul J's, the directors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I remember and I sent a money order off in the mail to get this, you know, being a massive Brett Hart fan when I found the website that was going to be coming out and was able to get this in the mail again, like about six months before it actually was available for purchase in the US, came from Canada in the mail.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I had at least a few weeks before it aired on A&E, too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know how many people ordered at the US, but I got to imagine I was one of a handful that actually went above and beyond to order this thing like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And still, I just lose Jesse still have my original copy here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This heap itself probably looks about the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, did you not rewind that the last time you watched it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It did not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably won't watch the video tape of this since the early 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I later bought it on DVD and the DVD version came combined with the A&E biography of
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[SPEAKER_03]: Owen Hart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It has been released on Blue Ray now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I once ordered that on Amazon and it was never delivered and I finally canceled my order.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I waited like months and months and they never shipped it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, maybe I'll try again sometime, but it is on Blue Ray at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have two copies of it already.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't mind getting the Blue Ray.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm trying to order it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It never shipped out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see, but it's it's available for free on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you guys haven't seen this in a while or if you've never seen it Go on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty easy to find there's there's a couple good scans of it on YouTube and you can watch the full thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're Yes, you know this why the hell of you never watch this documentary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's so good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I was thinking back to when I first heard about this, I'm pretty sure I've talked about this on the show before, but I would always call like the city line wrestling hotline here in my hometown in Justin's hometown, like every week that I have a new episode up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember hearing, in like, sometime in the summer or fall of 1996, the Canadian television was going to be making a documentary on the life of Bret Hart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I knew that they were filming something and I remember when I heard that I wanted to like pay real close attention to how I could see that someday because at the time, you know, they said it would only ever air on Canadian television, but they're doing like some kind of behind the same scene things on Brett and they were filming him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I heard that like right around the time that he's getting ready to come back to the WWE of in the fall of 96.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that would have been the first time I heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, it wouldn't have been until they probably started promoting it before, you know, it's showing up on any, I wasn't quite as locked in, I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: somewhat utilize that city line, but I don't remember hearing about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was such a dummy that that would have probably registered with me anyways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I look like a documentary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I called that thing religiously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was practically calling it every day to see if there was updates.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have the internet yet, so like that was, you know, 96.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was my
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[SPEAKER_03]: that was my original gateway to be hiding the scenes news.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, it was probably just a guy ripping off the observer, just reading the observer or the torch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, that's all I got my behind the scenes news when I was 12 and 13 years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, I've poured the buffalo trace.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to crack open the coars banquet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did want to say, we're running this classic a little different since it's not a traditional wrestling event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it was filmed over the course of months and months and months.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not doing like the pop culture segments or any of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to kind of just straight up review the film now, I think, is we're just going to jump right into it and kind of talk about how the film plays out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, can I start off with my first nitpick?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The title, why the hitman heart?
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[SPEAKER_02]: wrestling with shadows is perfect, but like why not bread hard or just hit man or I don't know I just hit man hard is so weird to me, just an odd choice to have the the back half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you would like his name and it for recognition, but then it would make like your sand and make more sense to be Brett Hart wrestling with Shax.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was an odd choice, but I mean, wrestling with Shadows is absolutely perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in I guess to, no, I don't want to step on it until you go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's what the back of the video says as far as like the description says.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Granted, unprecedented access, director Paul J's, hitman Hart wrestling with Shadows, goes behind the tightly guarded walls of wrestling's world,
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[SPEAKER_03]: we say and goes behind the tightly guarded walls of wrestling's world of grand spectacle and theater.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The film explores the meaning of today's wrestling morality plays and then as fantasy crosses into real life reveals the true story of breadhardt struggle with Vince McMahon, legendary owner of the WWF.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The film climaxes with the tail of the biggest real double cross in the history of pro wrestling hitman heart wrestling Washadows is a film about good and evil sacrifice and greed loyalty and betrayal and a man in a world of moral uncertainty fighting to keep a sense of personal dignity and truth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to think of another example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there's some out there of a documentary
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of starting off with one general subject in mind, and it just kind of accidentally walking head on into one of like some huge epic event that completely changes the trajectory of the subject.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If anybody's listening, they can think of another example, doesn't even have to be wrestling, but I mean, the luck,
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[SPEAKER_02]: involved with this documentary, just absolutely incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And real quick, I just before we actually get into the doc itself, should we talk about how it came to be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The documentary itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beyond just like the Canadian TV background, do you got more on that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, just the fact that isn't the director as Paul Barth, Paul Jay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Jay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why did I get Barth from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anywho, Paul Jay contacted Brett Hart because he saw an interview with him with, now that escapes me, but he just thought he came off as very honest and so Brett met up with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They talked and they got along and they wanted to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the reason that this documentary,
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[SPEAKER_02]: exists in more importantly, the reason why it exists with the access it has to the back stage stuff is because Vince desperately needed to re-sign Brett because he could, you know, at that time he could not leave it.