Classics: WCW Clash of the Champions 17 (Sting vs. Rick Rude)

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's up, everybody?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's another edition of Top World Nation Class 6 here on Patreon, Ryan Drossie, Jesse Velaskas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I didn't call you Jeremy, and just enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just in her bed, she'll be out there or not, but I did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually edited it on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you watch the YouTube, you'll see me mistakenly called Jesse recently on a podcast, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a wild weekend, but I am here with Jesse Velasquez in Justin's always to talk a little clash of the champions 17 from November of 1991, Jesse, how you doing tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Doing well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a very slow day, so I've been conserving my energy and I'm ready to go for this evening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a Blizzard going on up there like we do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it is cold and it was 40 degrees this morning and raining so I have not been on the road since one in the afternoon I can imagine it's like the ice rinks that I've been in on Tuesday and the one I'll be into tomorrow out there in the road You had pretty much the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was riding this morning about 40 degrees and Right now it is 10 degrees other windshields definitely negative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gusting like 30 40 mile prior winds right now and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, how are you hanging over there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still falling out from getting home from work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's freaking freezing out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny that you said you edited out the Jeremy Gaff on on cast version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I listened to the podcast version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you called back to it later in the episode and I had no idea what you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a mention to it later on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what the hell is he?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, oh, that's bad on my part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was protecting myself and all I did was confuse the listeners more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You had a long weekend and yeah, you just got enough of what an hour with Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we did the whole watch along of Serenite's main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how many times during that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I almost immediately jumped on with Jesse and I'm like, hey, Jeremy, I mean, wait, what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, well, you just called me Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, we're both from Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you have that, we have that going for us too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's there's like, how drunk is this man right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like your beard, Ryan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of hard to see with the lights on or washes it out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me go full screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it gets a little darker, it shows a little better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I've been letting it go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's cold out, why not?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting my rocky for a look on the window.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You go a live-lear Patreon chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have people in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Eric's here, Kevin's here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You tell you guys, I mean, are we love our patrons?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they usually check us out when I post the podcast of this show within a few days, because it's easier to listen to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But God dang, we love it when people join us live on these members only shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have the patrons in the chat with us as we go back in time to November in a 91.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mentioned drinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We always drink on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the top rotation, classics, low ball glass, yes indeed, got a little G&T in here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, you got anything in the glass?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of my, I don't know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same favorite shows of all time might be a little strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the most important shows to me of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I broke out some Michael Evans for the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so scared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Highland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will be nice and toasty by the end of this battle, which is good because the ending of this show sucks, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely peaks before that last match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if you guys are new to our podcast, you know, this show has been around almost decades.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of your newer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin's like, gateway show, and then at least for the 90s of rest, I don't even know if that's the right term, gateway show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of his all-time favorite shows was Super Brawl 2, which obviously was just a few months after this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you go into the Patreon Archives early on in TRN Classic's history, we reviewed Super Brawl 2.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely listen to that if you've never heard it, because Justin absolutely loves that show and this kind of sets us on the path to that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even including WBF, this like six months of wrestling is top three time frame for me in the history of professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I told Justin on text earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're driving the show, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is your jam right here, but no, I mean, I got, I got a little notes that rattled me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even going to say anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to sit back and drink the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just carry all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I know I got my usual notes, but I'll try and chime in here in there because I'm fucking sweating bullets for the past few hours.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wasn't watching WCW at this time, like I've gone back and watched a lot of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We just set off here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever watched this show start to finish, but I've seen a couple of matches and segments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to what you were saying about, you know, being a gateway, this was my gateway to WCW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I had seen kind of bits and pieces, but this is what fully pulled me into that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was 11 at the time, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: not really good with TV scheduling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with wrestling, it was kind of just, if I happened to be watching, and it was on, I would watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like from, basically the fall of 91, I was a dedicated professional wrestling fan watcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I said it on a podcast recently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I watched any WCW until 93 that I remember at least when I was like nine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was through in three WWF.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I definitely wasn't watching in real time

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[SPEAKER_03]: minimal WCW in 1991, yet funny enough when watching this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing I remembered and I think I did watch this live was Medusa coming out of the box.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I remembered from the show before I, yeah, before I viewed it again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nope, WWF primarily at this time, but like looking through all the handles of history and things is just really cool how Halloween have a 1991 was kind of a gateway to get us to Super Brawl 2, which I did some investigating, and I have listened to it was that like your first classic show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think the first one was Summerslam 91, but it was probably within like the first 10,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have listened to that show before, and I know that they're just going through the ratings and things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's like three or four on there that are like three and a half stars are higher, and this is 1992, we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Pilman Liger, I mean, that's one of the best matches in the history of WCW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple great tag matches on that show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You get the introduction of Liger, I'm spoiling it again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want your ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the classroom champions is going to be our tremendous lot of action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are live here in the capacity bills about a civic center and 25 championships will

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[SPEAKER_02]: The WCW clash of the champion 17 aired from Savannah, Georgia, the Savannah Civic Center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had 6,922 fans in the building, which was a legitimate sell out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They turned fans away at the door, per the wrestling observer newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pay to 10, pay to 10, it was between 4,000 and 5,000 fans that night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even look up what night of the week this would have been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, it up right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to see Thursday, but that might be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: November, 1991, Caledars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So November, 19th, it was a Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: November, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tuesday, November, 19th, 1991.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Savannah, Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to kind of give some context as to where WCW was at at this point in time, they had fallen off a cliff, you know, Rick Flair had had ditched them for WF, they had to kind of do a quick title change, well, change,

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of throughout the summer and early fall, that we said, we was real bad, like really in the shits, if you go back and watch any of their television or shows, it just isn't good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the show that turned it around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of the seeds where we're planted at Halloween havoc.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as we often see when we're doing these retrospectives,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking about, you know, things kind of changing with the promotion it often has to do with like an influx of new talent or or new talent kind of rising to the top and that's completely the case here, you know, Mick Foley is here now Rick Roode is here now at from Halloween havoc, you know, is sting in my personal opinion is leveling up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another guy, I don't know if anybody would recognize the name, but Steve Austin is here now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they had this great influx of new talent in the, I think WCW's problem is, they were desperately trying to be WF, and it just felt like WF light with some of the shady gimmicks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were trying on wrestlers, very cartoonish, really getting away from their

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I think with what was going on here in some of the talent they were pushing and the rise of the dangerous alliance, it started to feel more like the NWA again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It had a little bit more grit, it focused on the in-ring action and you know, I was texting her good friend Kyle Ross last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said he would be hard pressed to find

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[SPEAKER_01]: a singular show and professional wrestling history that turned the tides of a promotion quite like this one did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that's not to say this is a perfect show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people that just kind of watched it that might give a ligna see plus be minus, but uh, it's just again, it was about all the seeds that were planted and what it was leading up to for the next six, eight months.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had just looked when Rick Flare made his debut in the WWE F and it said September 9th of 91.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was not 100% sure when he had left, so yeah, you're right, those first couple of months were a big time transition kind of at a loss and I think we'll be getting to the main event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to hit hard on Lex Luger a little bit for all the praise that we had given him 48 to early to mid 90 and then now he's in this position and we'll get to that later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're thinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Dave had mentioned the observer on this time when I went back and read some of these that WCW on cable was actually starting to, they were doing some better ratings than the WWF at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's first cable ratings go now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously WWF had a lot of syndication and that's not factored in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as far as the cable ratings on the USA Network versus TBS, WCW was actually out drawing them a little bit at this point in time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this show did a good number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the Clash 17 show drew a 4.3 rating, which at that time was about 2.4 million homes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the best rating they had done since Clash 12 and September of 1990, which is when they were doing the Black Scorpion angle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that was a, you know, that was the average rating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Dave actually goes into like where the show peaked and stuff here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to talk about all these matches, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he talks about how the rating did not peaked during the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oddly enough, which was odd because for pretty much every previous clash show, the ratings would peak for the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he says here in the observer, the audience peaked with the steamboat and roads versus enforcers tag match, which drew a 4.7 or 2.7 million homes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then it fell off significantly during, unfortunately, the Pillman versus Johnny B. Beodmatch for some reason, but then came back to a 4.7 or 2.7 million homes for rude versus sting before dropping off to 4.5 for Luger and Steiner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, the show is a big success on TBS.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you could tell in the way that the crowd reacted to which we'll get into a bit later as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, oh, there was a little bit of a change going on in the announcing booth of like WCW Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jim Tony Shibani took over WCW main event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lance Russell had finally been removed from commentary and moved on to the 900.

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[SPEAKER_03]: a WCW chat line as well so just I know legend lands rustles so they're going a little bit younger with JR and Tony Shabani even though both had been with the company for anywhere from what would that be four to seven years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they open the show with, you know, kind of those vintage 90s neon graphics and very say by the bell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh, that's actually a perfect person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, think of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Ross, Tony Shavani, welcome us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They throw it back stage where you got Eric Bishop and Missy Highett and Missy builds up the fact that she's very excited to interview Marcus Alexander Bagwell later tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I miss that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember seeing that on

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[SPEAKER_01]: the broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's on there on the peacock for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I want to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I missed it on peacock too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I missed it somehow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's for sure on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because when I was watching it, yeah, this was last night and I think my wife kind of walked down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, who's that lady?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's that chick or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Missy Hi it during that opening segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who's that bird?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, we'll get to, we'll get to Missy High later and Mark's bag won't all that, but I was going to say, not going to be much longer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be able to watch this on Peacock days or down to days or less than two weeks now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll have to resort to other means to do these classic shows, at least for the time being.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so then it yeah, they pretty much jump right into the lumberjack match with Thomas rich with Alexandria York taking on your guy big Josh you know my first note here is