CM Punk & Kevin Owens Inject LIFE Into WWE, AEW Grand Slam Nails It

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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_02]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up everybody?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, we're going head to head with Monday night raw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's episode 423 of Top Rob nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan, Jesse, and making his return to the podcast, the man who puts the Titan and Titan sports.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, join us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fuck that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's ready to talk Titan sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 30 seconds in and I got a curse word in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where's my daughter when I need her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, how you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, I want to complain about how tired I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, with my kid is getting into sports and we've been all over the place, but I know you're dealing with two of them doing this kind of all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I feel like I can't complain about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: oh you'll get there you'll get there eventually so it's fine complain away travel sports whatever your kids are in it's stressful it's very stressful yes so it's a lot i i know probably in the midst of your your son trying out for travel baseball and everything i'm sure you had a chance to kick back and watch a little two night edition of WWE Summerslam

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[SPEAKER_00]: did not see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I did not watch in all I've seen I've been kind of working on my algorithm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So really the only WB stuff I see is people making fun of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then outside of that is I heard your guys's review.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my total exposure to summer slam and all I got to say is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gable finally having his moment in his home winning a singles championship in immediately having to share that moment with a fucking mug root beer mascot is just I feel great about not watching

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know what, I, I see a lot of their content show up on my YouTube algorithm still and probably because I watched the, the vault a lot, you know, and I did, I did watch today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did make a vlog of Gable like around Minnesota the week of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty good watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went back to like his old, uh, we talked about on the show last time, Jesse, uh, Saint Michael at Brookville High School.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a middle school now where he went to high school because the community's grown so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he went back to like his original wrestling room and you saw that home with the family and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's worth the watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, the mug room beer thing was pretty lame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it mostly just sucks for Gabel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, saying, in his career highlight reel, he's going to have that with the Mascott.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's in who's that for?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's for the wallets of the corporation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not talking about the good corporation from back in the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a bunch of people on the chat, Eric checking in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got Brittany here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tim's saying, what was the attendance at Summerslam?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't really talk about that on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was pretty unique that they didn't announce an attendance because pretty much every time WWE's in the stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they announced the attendance and they didn't do it at all, you know, they didn't do the two night combined attendance, none of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was right around 35,000 each night, which, you know, all in has already surpassed that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're closing on 40,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the theories out there is that they didn't announce an attendance because all of them is going to, you know, show them up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was about 35,000 each night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to get back up to Duluth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just there two weeks ago, Eric.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that that shares with the Duluth of Bulldogs and was staying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it does not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: From Amsoil Arena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So at home, the UMD hockey Bulldogs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm tired, but for different reasons, I'm I'm kind of baiting and waiting my time for when my son starts extra curricular activities.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My imaginations.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll probably be within the next 180 days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the next school year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did she has he shown an interest in hockey?

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[SPEAKER_00]: None.

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[SPEAKER_00]: None.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, I've heard that's the worst of all the travel sports.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Money wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a miracle that my father and mother were able to conjure up that much money for four of us to go through hockey at least till age 10.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I don't envy, yeah, hockey.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And what I just heard either day, like, was mind blowing, how much goalie skates cost now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's almost double the amount of what I pay monthly for my son's immersion slash day carriage month.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so optimistic that my son had gotten his dad's athletic ability in that we wouldn't be on these teams, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you know it's also crazy and I promise we are going to talk pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys will always catch up here at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're on the podcast stream, you know, whatever, fast forward a little bit, if you're on YouTube, sorry, you have to deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you got to get your kids in these sports so early now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the travel stuff starts so early that if they don't join, they're behind everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like as a former coach myself, how early this stuff is starting, because kids don't have a chance to really try out as much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because you got to get serious about one or two sports so early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just wild to me, you know, like I've sent my kids to basketball and volleyball cancel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be kids there who are already playing travel in like second and third grade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're so far behind that your kid doesn't like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're having us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ball is practically as big as there are legs at that age, and they expect you to build like dribble through your legs and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is my first basketball camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These kids are playing all over the state.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's like, I think it's good for kids to play multiple sports, but once you get into like these, you know, travel teams that takes up so much time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're, they're, they're not going to be able to play up any other sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, you also have you ever said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, having said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got home from kids soccer team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the one you're more excited about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Premier League starting soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's good at it, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not that he's bad at baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're listening, but I love you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just the one thing I know you're good at is drinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have anything in the glass tonight?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little G&T in the top-rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful glass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that available top-rotation.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cheap show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about you, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Classics only.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you do have the OG Kenny Omega 8-bit bullet club shirt on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's one of the main reasons I got really deep and serious in the pro wrestling back in 2018.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we're going to talk about the other reason at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, perhaps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I got a Daisy cutter from half acre brewing in Chicago because I was just in Chicago last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a pretty basic pale ale, but I always like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You bring it back from Chicago or they sell it here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: brought about from Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a solid easy drinking beer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So good one for talking programs with the boys tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just popped up in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The great Dante Green, the send the the trio is back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, don't put that on us, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love dogs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My dog literally got sprayed by a skunk because I was watching you guys distracting him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And and he's still in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that is a hardcore top row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rob, nation fat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've heard to Mado sauce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rubbing to Mado sauce all over your dog gets the the scent of scunk out of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I do not know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, I do not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't ever want to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since Justin didn't have a chance to fully watch Summerslam, I can't ask him for a grade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna give him an opportunity after the fact, but Justin, as you did hear me say on that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN unlimited is now available for YouTube TV subscribers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, indeed, you will be able to watch every WWE PLE coming up for no extra cost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can show you how to do that the next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think you were some my TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got special controls on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You blocked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The wife blocked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, the topic I wanted to start off talking about is WWE related, maybe at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to change to watch this on YouTube or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to talk about it first, because it's the thumbnail on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And after everyone scrolls through 11 minutes of us talking about our children, we'll finally get to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the SmackDown segment between Kevin Owens and CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we say on this podcast all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are objective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've certainly been more into the AEW product for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when WWE does something good to pull us back, we'll give them credit when they have good shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We give them credit or when they have a good segment, we will give them credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious with Jesse thought, but I thought the Kevin Owens' punk segment on SmackDown was terrific television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was looking forward, I mean, we said, I think we said it on the post show

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to get our own punk feud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these guys have never wrestled before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's never quite lined up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some actual real heat between them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's happened behind the scenes in the past two outstanding talkers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, you're going to get some good segments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I tuned into SmackDown to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was not disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am excited to see their match in Toronto in two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the title, because, you know, if you didn't see Summerslam, Kevin Owens is the number one contender, Jesse, what did you think of that segment?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched a second time right before we came on the air, and I did like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there was a big sense of realism throughout which, I mean Kevin Owens being gone for 17 months and wondering if he's never going to

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wrestle again is got a hit your heartstrings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're, I think all three of us are big Kevin Steen slash Kevin Owens fans on the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anytime he's in the ring, it's, uh, it is what's best for business.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No pun intended there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think running punk down in a very similar way that Eddie Kingston did about five years ago in the AW ring during their feud and hangman did a little bit

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was great, calling him an arrogant sociopath, and he's always known it, and it's just, yeah, it definitely tug on some heartstrings, and my end is kind of how we felt about Phil over the last couple of years, just turned kind of into a corporate man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's kind of just the way his character is being portrayed, he's in an island by himself, and his, uh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: shit doesn't stink.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think is a good way to to call it down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but I mean, punk being able to speak a couple of the truth here and there as well, talking about painting the path for guys like Kevin, Sammy Zane, et cetera, but wasn't for him that Owens would be still working at nine to five and on the Indies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's an interesting conversation we can have as well, because I mean, if an XE hadn't been created, where would we be right now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think, yeah, KO drove it home at the end, and they got into a nice shoving match, but it also shows that two guys who may not necessarily like each other in the back can go do business on television like professionals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, if that's actually possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, it's a shame it wasn't possible a couple of years ago, I got to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, you know, one of the things I liked so much about it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was, you know, wrestling is always it's best when you kind of thread the needle between reality and fiction and you know that there is that reality and that they had heat in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right when punk came back, they had that kind of face off backstage and we're hinting at that that we might see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you know, Kevin got, you know, had the surgery and it was gone for so long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're finally getting this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like the thread of reality because the stuff they were saying, you know, they did the stuff off Mike to you can actually buy that they really, truly believe that like this is something we talked about every time we talk about Bretton Sean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that everything we're saying, they believed, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these guys are working as professionals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying they're coming to blows in the locker room in Hartford, like Brad Hart and Shawn Michaels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, there's reality there, but the other thing I really liked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was that you got a little bit of heal CM Punk here, which is something we haven't begging for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It showed me again how great this run could be if Punk would fully turn heal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because some of the stuff he was saying that Owens here was

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100% heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what an asshole, but he's saying that he's he's body shaming him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, look at you and he like looks at his belly and all this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was acting like a total prick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, yeah, that's the punk I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want full on heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just a little glimpse of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like, oh, man, if he would turn and then like do this to the crowd, it would be so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, I mean, there's there's a lot in the we talk about what the background is between them a little bit and I think a lot of the interest was that initially when punk came back to WWE was the fact that everybody knows a Kevinstein was tight with the young bucks and obviously there's that connection there with punk and not being so tight with the young bucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also a story that was just texting our friend Tim about that's been out there for a while as a rumor but I've never really heard it confirmed and then melts are just talked about it on observer radio the other night so I guess we'll talk we'll bring it up but one of the rumors has been that the reason called cabana and see him punk like initially had their falling out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was because Kebana went to a pizza gathering to celebrate when Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens signed with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this was like right after punk left the promotion and punk had cut off all communication with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be, there's going to be a lawsuit and all of that and he cut ties with everybody at the company and he felt like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kavanaugh has best friend going to a party to celebrate two guys signing with WWE, kind of broke his trust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that started the ball rolling on everything that happened between punk and Kavanaugh and that fall out which for God's sake, I would do a lot of everything that happened to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that first incident with punk going off after you got injured at all out and, you know, the brawl that happened, everything was him talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what it didn't report it about Colt Kavanna and all of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, hangman making the reference to Colt Kavanna on that dynamite before Dublin, I think, 22.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, all ones in some ways is directly tied to that, all of us indirectly, but the situation came out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, Jesse, did you know about the Pete's a party story and all of that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did have not heard anything about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like kind of a background of heard that rumored, but like Meltzer just talked about it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, we'll bring it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like confirming that's 100% true, but that's been the talk and the business for a long time is like that started the split between Colt Cabana and CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like Owens is right there in the midst of all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's just another draw to the reality of the situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of what Tim said to me in our texting back and forth tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, so yeah, there's Tim right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently you have his title match in Toronto in two weeks and I mean, Jesse, you think there's any chance they would move the title from punk over to Kevin Owens in that match in Canada?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't buy it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I could have bought him winning that match last weekend to open the show up for being 17 months gone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just one of those things where it's like, eh, yeah, three guys, I mean, Sammy and Gunther I suppose.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gunther more than anybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's already been there for.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's already been near the top and it doesn't necessarily need the title right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think injecting a new face is great into this, but I would have felt that with oh and having that much time off and then also having lost so many different world title opportunities in the past and he referenced it how it's been a decade since he's had this title and it mean to be more would mean more to him than anything to get this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think it's his time, and he even mentioned it in the promo that like punk sardy looking past him in a rematch with Cody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So as much as I, I always remember Kevin Owens when it comes to a world title situation, I just can't buy it until it's actually happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys remember how Kevin Owens won the NXT championship?

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[SPEAKER_00]: by basically just nuking Sammy Zane in a very short match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was borderline squash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that happens with punk, I'll watch WB for a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hunter, are you listening?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how you get the joint man back on board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we have been talking about they need to do something to shake it up because it's just been stale, you know, everything about the product has felt stale for so long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that I mean, that's why this

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the reasons why this was so good because it was just finally something different, finally something tone that line between reality and fiction, you know, knowing the backstory between these guys, I was just finally there's something on WWE that it's like, must see TV for me, I have to tune in for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't disappointed, that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things where Kevin Owens has always been at a certain level in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had the universal title, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was interference, but he held it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, like he's had some title views, but they never fully went back to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's such a talented guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw right there on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the best hawkers in the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the best people who can get you emotionally invested in the storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's an argument to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Punk is bullet proof.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Owens has been at this stature for ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally has some real steam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been gone for so long that he feels fresh again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wins that big match at WrestleMania to become number one contender, shocks everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he just loses,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing changes, just tread and water again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you put them over in his home country over CM Punk, just a lot more meat there to that, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt they would do a squash match with like, you know, you mentioned they're a Justin, but that would be cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Kevin Owens should bring it up to Triple H and Punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, tell them it's kind of based on Rocky 3, but it's a really good idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: anybody knows that reference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tim said, you know, Moxley, Squash Punk, so it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the reference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eric mentioned, that's where I thought the beef was about punk, basically giving KO shit for wearing a shirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's definitely part of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're also approaching four years, the four year anniversary of Max Gwashing Punk.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was August 24th, 2022.

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[SPEAKER_03]: God, that's so great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe that was that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, before you're anniversary tonight of Moxley defeating Chris Jericho at Clake by the lake in Minneapolis, hell of a match that I was in person for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the line heart is that one Jericho came out of his line heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the last exceptional Jericho match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, time flies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a byproduct of us getting old, you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, I mean, that was the main WWE talking point I had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Justin can rest easy now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to do the Cody, Randy, Orton, stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's one kind of laughable thing going on right now as well with Roman Reigns going to be defending the title of Mexico City on September 14th and they're holding an eight-man tournament with a bunch of luchadors at a zero chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pensive defeated Loretto Kid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually watched that match tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, commander and L. Klohn wouldn't blush.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was it was a good match, but again, it was just, yeah, we've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We see it every week on AWS television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about AEW at Mexico here next.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's great to see you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's always nice to come back to a very, very broad audience.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So thanks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you got a lively audience and you got people in the live chat makes these shows so much more fun than speaking into the void.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like when we used to record Justin on Skype back in the day, no interaction at all or we did a Google Hangouts for a while to never knew if anybody was listening

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's transition to AWS Grandslam, Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I finished watching this yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did see some of it live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I mentioned, I was in Chicago last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got a chance to go to Bears Training Camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Wednesday and I'm going to amend my hotel room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I turned it on about halfway through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I caught like the last half of the show live in the hotel room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife was trying to go to bed as there was blood flowing on the TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I can't wind down to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like the good husband I am, I kept watching that pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So proud of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I came home and I watched the first half all by myself secluded in the basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, Justin Joy, you haven't had a chance to chime in much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So give us your thoughts on what you liked about grand slam Mexico, the second dynamite for Marina Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like you said, we've only had two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's already kind of just become my most anticipated television for pro wrestling in the year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: palpable energy in that arena and the way that you can tell it reflects and brings out the best in the wrestlers and how much they appreciate being there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the easiest watch when it comes to pro wrestling and because it's a W you're also getting, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: standard to above standard wrestling in every single, every single match, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Copeland mentioned it many times of how much it meant to him to finally be able to wrestle in arena Mexico They gave us two great matches in fletcher and speedball and then Osprey and Davis They had the return of MJF but to me just comes down the the feeling and the look of that very very special arena now you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of you are out there probably saying to yourself, well, why don't you fucking watch CMLL then?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do fits if you like that so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't got that much time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go back to the first 10 minutes of the pod and you can know why I don't have time, but I love that arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that crowd and I love what it brings out of AW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you give to go to a show at Riemek's go?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we need a few more, we need a few more page rounds, and then maybe we can get it happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love it, I would, I would, I tell you what, up until the last two years, my bucket list destination for pro wrestling would have been the Tokyo dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I arena Mexico might be, it might be neck and neck right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would absolutely love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the CMLL point, we're getting some of those shows on my AW now, which is really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we talked before about CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to watch all those shows, you got to do a YouTube, and it's really expensive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you can get like some of their bigger shows now are going up on my AW I've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do have my AW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would recommend it for people that don't have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's well worth the investment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was very obviously similar to last year's card of Mystico again, coming out to his entrance in the middle of the card and the crowd, just serenading him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think a couple of women crying in the stands.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's just the way they do their wrestling in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You gotta love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think I would have loved to have seen Kenny Omega on the card, or just even somewhere in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Think there's some traveling stuff going on that he couldn't make it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't there either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was the former, he's a former CML LL heavyweight champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's just there will be them correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a chip now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think up and up and down the talent, of course, worked hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to work really hard if you're getting some really good crowd responses and they should, oh, I think they should just keep us a trend for as long as it's going just like the first Wednesday and August.

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[SPEAKER_03]: for the next three, four years, and you see how it goes, especially with CMML, CMLL doing record business.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're interested in being so high there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why not try to capitalize it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I didn't see, I just looked this up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was the attendance lower than last year's?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It says 16,000 on cage match, and I thought it was like eight, nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't surprise me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I saw a decent amount of empty seats compared to last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was also, there was a lot less CMLL talent on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was definitely more of a W show whereas to last year, it felt more like a joint effort.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking on Russell ticks right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They usually do a good job with it, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Ryan's looking that up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can anybody confirm to me, if maybe I'm not losing my mind, but when Copeland came out, you think you know me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the song was in English, but I swear the beginning was Spanish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I might not notice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not notice that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I might have to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll print you though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who am I to watch that too?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll know right away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Russell Ticks had an update on Wednesday where they had said it was a little over 6,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's forbidden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen, I don't know that they had a final count on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to look for last years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was just almost a sellout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, I gotta scroll way back here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it looked, I don't know, man, it looked pretty full to me on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You notice you noticed empties?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it in the upper deck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not not very noticeable, but, you know, again, while I'm watching the grand slam, I love this arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of looking all over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would notice it more than I wouldn't any other arena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cameras do an amazing job of also making it feel a lot larger than it actually is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Noah had mentioned in our chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was going to go to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He talked about how CMLL broke the record for most sellouts and one building for a single year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only August.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Love to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't have the final count and I got to tell you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Patreon's search function is not great trying to find this here on the Russell text page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am not sure off-hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not seeing that final count from last year for Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was like June, wasn't it last year?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, late June, like a few weeks before all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I like my results are supposed to be filtered in order of posting and I'm getting stuff that was posted yesterday thrown in the middle of my scrolling, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not seeing it, but yeah, cage matches like that 16,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not have the final count for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Meltzer will probably have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In this week's observer, if it wasn't in last weeks, which it might have actually been in last weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was cool, though, that they did send out Copeland right away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like because he had been so vocal about how excited he was about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the crowd went absolutely nuts for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that fletcher speedball match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one that was on when I turned it on when I was in the hotel room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were like in the middle of the match when I turned that on and man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Day one four and three quarters on that in the observer almost a five star match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was probably a high-end four star match for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's his lowest rated Kyle Fletcher vs Mike Bailey match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're a little crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have great history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The return of MJF, I'm going to try to find this in the observer from last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, talk about the return of MJF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like one of the few things I kind of bumped against on the show, just because like, why does he have that title?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even in like a cave-fabe way, like, did he fucking buy that at the stand and put his old leather strap on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, why does he have any access?

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[SPEAKER_00]: to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a little too much of an echo to punk coming back with the title, but that made sense because he never actually lost that title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buckingham Jam lost it fair and square to Kenny Omega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why he's coming out here trying to claim that he's the real world's champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have faith that there's a reason for it and that there's going to be a story behind it, but I saw that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what the Greens with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It plays the character.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a narcissist.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's very delusional, but I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely does scream a lot of CM Punk of 2023.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wasn't so much a fan of that either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would have the title in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching that part yesterday at my daughter walked in and she's like, wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He lost that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would he have the title though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't know what I thought too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so his argument is that Osprey got involved in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's still the real champion and he's going to face whoever after Wembley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't need the title for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need to show it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't need the physical title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just tell that story that, you know, you Osprey interfered and you want the first shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, the promo overall was the typical heel and Mexico MJF promo that you would get, you bash the country, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see him back, you know, hasn't been that long, but yeah, I'm not so sure about carrying around the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that's that doesn't become a weekly occurrence, or he brings it out every single time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of made sense that he brought out as a weapon, I guess, but if he's, if he's toting that thing around

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just hope he's healthy, I think that's really important at this point because that's I think part of the reason why you got that title taken off of him before redemption was because he's working hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I have almost found this in the, what Dave is just writing a lot of run on sentences here on the read of Mexico and how much it would be originally old and how much it holds now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're still looking at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I say one of the things that go ahead?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially this is something I would not usually give props to, but I really love Jericho coming out to his old

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mexico gimmick that he wrestled under.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the name of it at the moment, but I thought that was a nice little touch, but a song they lay on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My heart's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then even missed to come and out with the mask that it was half Darby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a nice little touch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave actually has it in the observer as 13,200 sellout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for nine to my last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't sound like a sellout to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they didn't try to sell the whole arena based on the tickets that were out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's only considering what they put up for sale, but yeah, that's what Dave says.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's $3,200.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like when they do that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moves set up for this amount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a sellout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got to ask my brother went to a Luchas show in Mexico and this was a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if it was AAA or CMLL, he went to, though, something I could be jealous about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there's another message tonight and ask, which will he pray?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you'll even remember, but I remember him sending me some pictures that he was on at a luchish on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if he was at a read a Mexican or not, but it is high on my buckle list too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you Justin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be higher than the Tokyo Dome, so he's only easier to travel to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't just see if you were going to Mexico City.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, funny enough, and I have put the thoughts to it, but likely won't fight against play there on a Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On a weekend, I don't have my son.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Against your 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like my sister has gone to Mexico City several times and raves about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She loves going down that, um, yeah, I would love to go on the buckle list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe someday need a few more patrons though, guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sort of go on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should not do send us to Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please, send us to a CMLL show at Arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Join the Patreon five measly dollars and get some bonus podcasts while you're at it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I promise I'll come home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you got two four and three quarter matches on that show because Fletcher and Bailey and then Davis and Osprey also got four and three quarters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was the blood bath.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they got out the fork.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of that Mexico City Street fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys got great chemistry to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I got four and three corners on it, but it was really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say Fletcher and Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer it by a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you guys agree?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, no totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really did you really think that it justified all that blood and such for this match?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, granted, I know Davis kind of laid out Osprey a month and a half ago when he came back and that was his last loss, but to me, just to these extreme measures, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably we didn't need juice from both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe one of them, you know, beans that it was a street fight that AW can actually deliver on their promises of violence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When they got out the fork, my wife, of course, that's like when she looks at the TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, oh my God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, come on, you could see he's not actually hitting his fork.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to hide up at the sand at this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always pretty brutal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it, it's just, I don't, I think four and three quarters little high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the match before that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Atmpage and Bro Dito, the inspiration for Justin's t-shirt tonight with that is a fantastic show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The new trio's champions, I like the little bit when Hangman came out and it's entrance with them and it's set on the name card on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's that something like, is worried the sombrero is going to be problematic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love these three together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a perfect fit, especially with hangman, not been able to challenge for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, if you're watching on video, I am a static about heaven, Bronito back together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had the trio's titles kind of jumping around quite a bit lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would let these guys write it out for a while.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So a trio's champions in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was going to bring up that stat tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, how many times has there been a team that's only has hasn't defended it and lost it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was three of the eights.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the conglomeration defended about seven times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll let these give them some justification.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cassidy or Riley in strong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, seeing the demand lose right away.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Very similar to what happened to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like more for these three specifically hanging man, but I mean, we've talked about Brodito and Bandito and it's like if you're, if you're not, you're going to continue to set them up into these high profile situations and keep knocking them down a peg.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess this is a good place to settle in, but now at this point, make the trio's relevant because I was going to make the joke on like it's time to just merge those suckers with

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you said you want more from hangman, but for me, he's bullet proof and I want more for Bandito and Brody King, which like, yeah, I love the idea of just let, let these three fucking run rampant for a while until you figure out what you want to do with the hangman world title story that they got going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, we also got willow night and gale, hitting Mercedes on this show with the backslide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got that story still going into all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got the brawling birds taken on divine dominion for the tag titles now announced for all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So build not that card a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how are we feeling about all and what's what's your hype level as this card is starting to come together now, Jesse, would you say you're more excited for it now than you were a couple of weeks ago and we've always kind of known Osprey was the direction but for the the rest of the stuff that's been building out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He'd to break it, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd probably knock it down a peg.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, mega.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ospreys like, of course, that's going to carry the card as it really should.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The rest of it just at this point feels inconsequential.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a fan of this Continental Cup at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the John Moxley's in there with 15 guys that really haven't proven over the last six to 10 months that they're worthy of being in this spot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I Jay White and Eddie Kingston could get there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this might be a little bit too quick for that to happen for either one of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be a good story to have them both get in there, but I just think it's kind of a.

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[SPEAKER_03]: anti-climactic to me at this point uh willow in Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're going to have a great match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it might be a little telltale now that willow is willow just pin Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was a little shocking, wasn't it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I I'm of the belief that I think willow's going to retain I'd be the only one because I don't think you want to transitional champions in this spot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Omega Osprey obviously scale the one to 10.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like an 11 for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Rest of the card at this point's probably a three or four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you adjusting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, I think I might be almost the exact opposite of Jesse, except for the fact that my excitement level is less than it was last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for anybody who's been listening to us for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were right there, shitty none, the moxley, deathwriters angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the way up until about the last two months leading to all in when it finally all came together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was about more excited for that match than I've been for any match in the last 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's excited as I am for Omega Osprey 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not quite there like it was last year, but on the flip side to what Jesse said is I think I'm liking the undercard more compared to last year I think we got some pretty intriguing stuff although I will say I agree with Ryan and I believe a lot of other people

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish it was Tecla in Mercedes instead of Willow as much as I love Willow and there is that whole thing is, you know, the main event is two baby faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want two heels, you know, in the in the women's championship match that that to me feels a little awkward with with the lineup, but I just think there was a way that you could have brought Mercedes back as a little like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't have to go even full baby face, but just like lean into it a little bit and let Tecla do her thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was that's just a much more interesting match to me But I mean outside of that the the men's casino is going to deliver I think it's going to be loaded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to go way too long because they're going to try and get so many people on this card, but essentially that is mjf versus on draw day

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious as to what the books can get out of Copen Cage and then it looks like we're going to get Fletcher, Nocata.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, please.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The women's tag, I think is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That should get a great reception.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, you know, the trio's title match is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not quite as down on the Continental Cup as you, the one thing that AEW does, better than anybody is tournaments and delivering great matches in, unfortunately, in big tournaments like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta have a field that, you know, people that are gonna need to eat losses and I'd rather see those guys have great matches rather than, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: upper borderline manufacturers taking L's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other big one for me is Kevin night versus Derby, which I think could be fucking incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that could steal the show, honestly, with the way those two are willing to go in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, many vent-wise,

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[SPEAKER_00]: As excited as I am for Osprey's crowning as AEW Champion and as much as I want that, it's not near where all then was a year ago, I think the undercard will deliver though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's let's take a look at those names in the hot little cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll put that on the screen here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now this actually already got underway on collision just a couple of couple of nights ago here in uh they're up in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and our guy special K himself was in attendance on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so on on collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like a single elimination, you, they have the random, they've got the random opponents, and then when you lose your out and then they move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So on collision, we had Claudio de Fidais Austin

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Austin's out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Cassidy defeat and Matt Sidel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Sidel's out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Kingston defeat Jake Doyle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kingston moves on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This week on Dynamite, we are getting Jack Perry and Moxley we're getting Jay Wyatt against David Finley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on Collision next week, they've got Roddy strong

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then Shabbata against Nigel McGinnis and Brian Cage against Hitches Arrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be...

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone will rest on the first round at that point in time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't say like any surprises really so far in those results, but you know, again, it just started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, I'm fine with them doing tournaments because as Justin said, it's always a great wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever they announce one, I'm usually in do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The bigger problem, again, is just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: too many titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What does the kind of championship even mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that's that's a problem across wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of stunned as AEW went on that they kept adding titles because I felt as such a hardcore wrestling geek like us Tony Khan would realize to me titles is bad, but they've like continued to add titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's one of the things I've always been down on AEW about one of the things that has continued to be an issue for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't take away from the show's totally, I mean, obviously, I'm pretty high in the promotion right now, but I wish they would combine some of these and cut down the titles a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, in the end, you get this match for the cup at all in for the continental championship, but then it's just like, you know, what does that even really need?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Great news is about that though, is Moxley's defending that championship every single week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That guy doesn't ever want to take a day off, got to give Kudos to the ace for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I love that he's a fighting champion, because O'Cotton never really defended that belt at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Kingston wanted to, got heard of originally pass it off to O'Cotton, that's that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think with that casino gauntlet, too, though, you run into the risk of kind of watering that down, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I do feel like MJF's going to, uh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know if you're still going to emerge from this, because it might break off an mjf on dry day, somebody else steps into that slot, and potentially gets that title shot at all out yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And is there going to be a surprise or two?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do see a little bit of that going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the other thing, that's actually a good point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the other thing is, uh, I see it a lot in the chat and my son reminds me of this almost every day that I see,

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[SPEAKER_03]: today he goes in points into the closet at my new day shirt he wanted to listen to the new day songs on the way to school today so we do have coffee and Austin Creed on their way which is it's a very exciting prospect at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bailey was hinting on her instagram I think I was today too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you guys see that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she played like an all-in song or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which she had, I mean, she can't even show up for like another year or something like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the spring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought like December was her rumored.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it end of her contract?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nobody seems to know for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, I think with the title belts, when you, when you consider all of the undercard ones, they have, my problem is they have like three of them that are kind of like, where there should be one, you know, like you got the world title, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: TNT titles is essentially like the old TV title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_01]: these, they just sound so similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: International championship, continental championship, national championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That feels like those should all be one belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, okay, so when the international title started, I was like, all right, this is their inner continental title, but then you have the continental title, you know, and I love the continental classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great tournament every fall of winter, but you know, like to Eric's point, why do this and then do that

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you add the national titles was like, the national titles, almost like the US title, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that looks like the old TV type.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was right, but like in in name, you know, like national US, okay, but then like international and continental, that's all always just been like, those are just too similar, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I wish it was two belts in the tag titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, yeah, remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My dilemma is I'm starting to overcome my repulsion to the too many titles, although I do agree with you at least like the TNT title has got a decent amount of history behind it, especially with, you know, Brody Lee having held it once upon a time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The continental title is connected to my favorite tournament,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like the ones that could go are the international and the national except for me personally, those are like outside of the world title, my two favorite title designs is like I, the cotton, the cotton, the title is like the the most boring looking one if you could just like swap in the international for that one and get rid of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man, the international and the national are just too fantastic looking title belts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like Eric mentioned the chat, the national title is definitely indie books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just looking, which is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought like initially that was what they were into with the international title, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just like, yeah, overlapped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tim says international continental nation TV title fix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say one of them's got to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the national title outside of the world title is the best design, just because they're hardkins back to the old NWA, belt, as you said, just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but I love that international title belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that thing is a beauty.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When Ocada defeated Omega last year at all into you to have both of those, it should have just unified it at that time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I'll tell you, though, the international and the continental championships kind of flip importances, because what I noticed in the international title is, you have guys like Kyle Fletcher will aspirate and the likes holding it, making it seem important, orange Cassidy had an unbelievable run with that sucker to really get it off

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it it has some meaning to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You get some great matches out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just a matter of uh, whatever Tony whatever flavor ice cream Tony con feels like is the best tasting at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what he puts his secondary championship on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I think that's kind of why the too many titles doesn't bother me that much anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though the old school in me does

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the right people are usually holding those titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with the trio's titles and the national titles is that it brings a little bit of uncertainty to television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the timers like these could flip at any moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it brings a little bit of drama, granted that drama is less than because the titles don't mean as much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's always the right person holding them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: T-Ray now it's great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like Kevin night in that position.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Darby coming off of his world title run that he had his brief as it was and just all the knockdown drag out defense to see had with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's definitely a legit challenger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got some beef because Kevin took him out at the end of that match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean Kevin night sky's a limit as we talked about Justin on the redemption review.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, with him too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's just a matter of what direction you want to take him after this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Does you separate, do you separate even from Don Callis?

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[SPEAKER_03]: This we're going to hold of him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Many questions to be answered there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the other match on Dynamite, two nights from now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's two other matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got nighting and it's Jericho for the TNT title, but either the big one is a triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So MJF first match in a little for a month taken on speedball and Nick Wayne for the number two spot in that casino gauntlet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All in and as Justin said, we're expecting on Droughta and MJF to start that one out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be stunned if MJF doesn't get the victory on Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of Rocky 3, by the way, shout out to Tumaso Champa and his grand slam gear with the U.S. Trunks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's still doing good work, NAW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have any, you know, one of those things that we did on the show a month ago, Jesse, when you were doing like the this guy or that guy, we got to work some more of those out because that was a good discussion at end to show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to do some more of that, but then on this because we had to tweet about this today that went a little bit viral.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was there was one of the bad faith accounts on Twitter who was going on about how Dave Meltzer,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I'll just quote him and I took a screenshot because I didn't want to give the guy interaction, but it's one of those, those bad faith actors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would know the user name, but he said, I'll just quote Dave Meltzer giving Brian Danielson 0 5 star matches in 11 years with WWE, then giving him 7 5 star or higher matches in just 3 years with AEW and then he's got a gift like really here, you know how this is bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then our account said, probably because nothing Brian did in WWE touches the Osprey match at Dynastee, Swarve at All-In, Kenny and Dynamite, the Hangman match is Strat Match of Starks, or the MJF Iron Man match, AEW Letemripe, WWE did not, what Brian matches in WWE were worthy of the full five stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this tweet got a lot of responses, lots of likes, lot of replies, some retweets, back and forth from people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of curious what you guys think we could end on this as the topic, we have all been very straightforward that we think that Dave, who we admire a lot as a journalist and trailblazer in this industry, definitely gives to his ratings or two high these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all agree on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you look at those AW matches for Brian, I don't think all of them deserve to be five star matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But a couple of them, I would have given five stars and our patrons know, like I grade out all the paper views, I rarely give five stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly nowhere near as many as Dave does, but a couple of those, maybe three, two or three of them I would have gone five stars on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I don't think it's surprising really that Brian didn't have any five star matches in WWE

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure he really had the opportunity to, you know, he changed the style a little bit, they held him back for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a, you know, A, W, they put him in there and he's dream match scenario and basically let the American drag and do whatever he wanted and it was a showcase almost every single time out.

01:00:06.827 --> 01:00:11.310
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I think about his WWE run, I just can't come up with,

01:00:12.148 --> 01:00:14.609
[SPEAKER_01]: five star matches like the hit some really good ones.

01:00:15.089 --> 01:00:21.111
[SPEAKER_01]: The scene a match I think summer slim 2013 hit a really good one with Brock at Survivor Series one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:00:23.953 --> 01:00:26.574
[SPEAKER_01]: He had like some matches with age.

01:00:26.594 --> 01:00:29.995
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it went on with AJ on a Smackdown that was really good if I remember right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but like, not of them are five star matches to me.

01:00:35.357 --> 01:00:38.999
[SPEAKER_01]: Like some people came in the comments with the Kofi match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was 35.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a four-and-a-quarter match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At, yes, I think it wasn't a five star match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I just can't, maybe you guys disagree, but I just can't think of any five star matches.

01:00:52.947 --> 01:00:55.948
[SPEAKER_01]: He had WWE, and that's not like a, not bashing Brian.

01:00:56.009 --> 01:00:57.389
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he's on my Mount Rushmore,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just none that really stand out to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably the scene of match would be the closest for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I have I hold a lot of nostalgia for the WrestleMania 30 many event, but that's a long ways from a five star match.

01:01:14.558 --> 01:01:16.879
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, that was more like about the moment, right?

01:01:16.999 --> 01:01:17.239
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good match, but I think the match was laid out well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:23.102 --> 01:01:24.483
[SPEAKER_00]: The TLC match.

01:01:25.290 --> 01:01:31.695
[SPEAKER_00]: from Brooklyn, but that was a six man against the shield with Kane and Ryback.

01:01:31.735 --> 01:01:35.678
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe talking about a great match for those two fucking names.

01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:39.501
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's the thing.

01:01:39.601 --> 01:01:50.490
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like going back to the show like how I've changed as a wrestling fan, like I wanna see in-ring variety.

01:01:51.217 --> 01:01:52.598
[SPEAKER_00]: in ring focus.

01:01:53.318 --> 01:01:54.819
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not WWE anymore.

01:01:55.379 --> 01:01:56.200
[SPEAKER_00]: Never really was.

01:01:57.120 --> 01:02:13.368
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a house style there, you know, and it's more about moments and to show Danielson's greatness is that he was able to lean into that, to make a name for himself in that promotion.

01:02:13.408 --> 01:02:16.290
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, as far as five star matches,

01:02:21.957 --> 01:02:30.322
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually looked, again, cage match is not the be all end all, but you are getting an aggregate squad of like thousands, sometimes of votes from wrestling fans.

01:02:31.242 --> 01:02:43.830
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at Bryan Danielson's career match list and you organize them by rating, his number one rated match on cage match is the Danielson Osprey match from Dynasty, just didn't we were there.

01:02:44.450 --> 01:02:46.992
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's the Bryan Swerve match from all in.

01:02:47.853 --> 01:02:51.877
[SPEAKER_01]: both of those, I would go five stars on the same year for what's important.

01:02:52.618 --> 01:02:58.263
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, this is another point, people made the grinding in the five star matches in ROH.

01:02:58.403 --> 01:03:03.488
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's there's a dulegitimate right there because he has a full free match on real matches in.

01:03:04.028 --> 01:03:09.192
[SPEAKER_01]: in ROH and apparently, I didn't check, but the people were saying, oh, Dave didn't go five stars in any of them.

01:03:09.312 --> 01:03:10.473
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a legitimate right.

01:03:10.793 --> 01:03:15.096
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think he's wrong to have not given any of his WWE matches five stars.

01:03:15.436 --> 01:03:21.561
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to go to number 18 to even find the first WWE match on Bryan's top rated matches on CageBatch.

01:03:21.921 --> 01:03:26.404
[SPEAKER_01]: And number 18 is Bryan Cena at summer slam 2013.

01:03:26.725 --> 01:03:29.847
[SPEAKER_01]: And then another WWE match has to come up until number 26.

01:03:31.468 --> 01:03:34.350
[SPEAKER_01]: which is the TLC match that Justin referenced.

01:03:35.010 --> 01:03:42.735
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's only five WWE matches in the top 50.

01:03:43.695 --> 01:03:46.277
[SPEAKER_01]: No, six, sorry, six, because number 50 is WWE match.

01:03:46.297 --> 01:03:48.318
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Brian Triple H at Mania 30.

01:03:48.778 --> 01:03:49.198
[SPEAKER_01]: Really good.

01:03:49.819 --> 01:03:57.043
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I mean, that, again, speaks to us just like WWE didn't showcase them as well as other promotions that I think that's just fair to say.

01:03:57.983 --> 01:03:58.143
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:03:58.263 --> 01:03:59.364
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was a star.

01:03:59.784 --> 01:04:04.345
[SPEAKER_01]: They showcased him in that way, but they didn't showcase him as the begrudgingly.

01:04:04.946 --> 01:04:05.166
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:04:05.506 --> 01:04:06.846
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, begrudgingly exactly.

01:04:06.906 --> 01:04:10.988
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the greatest workers of his generation, you know, maybe we didn't see that always.

01:04:11.068 --> 01:04:16.450
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just thought it might be worth bringing up on the show because there's a lot interaction on Twitter with that today.

01:04:17.493 --> 01:04:34.202
[SPEAKER_03]: It took the cultivation of your new NXT slash AEW fans to hijack a lot of the show in order for Brian Daniels in to get the credits and the tension that he truly deserves because look at his punk match it over the limit which was like a four and a quarter close to four and a half.

01:04:34.302 --> 01:04:35.703
[SPEAKER_03]: We mentioned the triple H one.

01:04:35.743 --> 01:04:36.644
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to bring that up.

01:04:37.064 --> 01:04:40.085
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a couple of AJ styles over in the low fours.

01:04:40.105 --> 01:04:42.587
[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to go back and watch Brian scene at tonight.

01:04:42.607 --> 01:04:42.967
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm

01:04:46.929 --> 01:04:53.654
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there really wasn't much to me and he pulled like probably the two best singles performances out of Bray Wyatt and got it to like four or four and a quarter.

01:04:54.195 --> 01:04:54.915
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got it.

01:04:54.995 --> 01:04:59.779
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to give the man credit for just being able to do what he could with that style.

01:05:00.460 --> 01:05:02.021
[SPEAKER_03]: And they couldn't let him loose.

01:05:02.121 --> 01:05:09.686
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess at that time, it might have been a little bit different, maybe in like the 2016 through 2020 version because of what he was dealing with neck wise.

01:05:10.487 --> 01:05:18.173
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, before that, you could have easily unleashed what made him special and also kind of kind of caught along with this whole gimmick.

01:05:19.133 --> 01:05:30.461
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and even with the the scene match at Summerslam, which is probably his best WWE match in 2013, then they like kind of ruined it.

01:05:31.022 --> 01:05:32.083
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the order comes out.

01:05:32.103 --> 01:05:35.425
[SPEAKER_01]: It's up for the title, you know, right afterwards and seconds.

01:05:38.328 --> 01:05:42.371
[SPEAKER_00]: At least to me, you know, just the dog totally agree totally takes away from it.

01:05:42.831 --> 01:05:44.533
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and that's actually his best one.

01:05:44.613 --> 01:05:55.841
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if he had been able to win at summer slam, beat Cena, and then was able to pose with the mug root beer mascot, then it would have been fine.

01:05:56.541 --> 01:05:58.082
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, they ruined it with the cash.

01:06:04.107 --> 01:06:05.207
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim mentioned Brian and Shamus.

01:06:05.227 --> 01:06:07.788
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a good two out of three falls match in 2012.

01:06:07.828 --> 01:06:11.850
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was at, like a stream rule.

01:06:11.910 --> 01:06:14.051
[SPEAKER_01]: A flash or extreme rules, extreme rules.

01:06:14.111 --> 01:06:15.011
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that was good one.

01:06:15.211 --> 01:06:15.992
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one too.

01:06:16.072 --> 01:06:21.434
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's just like you look at the list of those A and it part of it too is just like A, W's like, do what you want.

01:06:21.734 --> 01:06:25.575
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's this legend who's working with all these guys has never worked with before.

01:06:25.996 --> 01:06:28.977
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just going all outballs to the wall.

01:06:29.217 --> 01:06:31.798
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's one of the greatest workers of all time.

01:06:32.358 --> 01:06:37.383
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not that surprising that he would have banger after banger in the AEW.

01:06:37.423 --> 01:06:39.484
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just unreal.

01:06:40.105 --> 01:06:44.529
[SPEAKER_00]: It comes down to the different philosophies other promotions.

01:06:44.889 --> 01:06:45.130
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:06:45.710 --> 01:06:52.836
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Danielson was a perfect, perfect fit for AEW.

01:06:54.098 --> 01:06:57.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Cody Rhodes, as much as I don't like him,

01:06:58.338 --> 01:07:01.840
[SPEAKER_00]: is a perfect fit for WWE.

01:07:02.541 --> 01:07:14.608
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like you got to get the right guys in the right places, Daniel's in was so good that he made it work in WWE, but he was meant for other things.

01:07:14.628 --> 01:07:17.470
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I just finished the most recent season of the Baron.

01:07:17.510 --> 01:07:24.094
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, to your point, let it rip and that's what AW allowed him to do.

01:07:24.615 --> 01:07:24.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:28.802
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a Brian punk match over the limit 2012.

01:07:28.862 --> 01:07:30.502
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that match is kind of overrated.

01:07:30.683 --> 01:07:36.546
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty good match, but it's not like a all-time great one or anything like that.

01:07:36.566 --> 01:07:40.889
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember being almost let down because it was so excited for it at the time.

01:07:40.949 --> 01:07:42.950
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, it was good, but I wanted more from it.

01:07:43.570 --> 01:07:46.792
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, good little discussion there and I want to throw this one out.

01:07:47.572 --> 01:07:48.413
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was waiting.

01:07:48.713 --> 01:07:50.176
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had to get to it.

01:07:50.196 --> 01:07:51.478
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to finish that discussion first.

01:07:51.498 --> 01:07:58.250
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Brittany, massive shout out being super generous with the 1999 super chat tonight.

01:07:58.811 --> 01:08:00.454
[SPEAKER_00]: Brittany, she's trying to get us to Mexico.

01:08:01.115 --> 01:08:01.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:03.135 --> 01:08:05.556
[SPEAKER_01]: the GoFundMe has been started here on the super chat.

01:08:06.816 --> 01:08:13.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Brittany says glad to see you fellas live and just like she's thrown their shout out last week on the substax is Ryan great job and a latest substax.

01:08:13.778 --> 01:08:21.981
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how you explore both sides of the atomic bomb decision learning how many military military leaders opposed it surprised me of course go wrestling.

01:08:23.821 --> 01:08:30.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, put that article out on my history subject last night because it was the anniversary of the Nagasaki bombing and those are good topics.

01:08:30.963 --> 01:08:42.187
[SPEAKER_01]: So my favorite things to teach about exploring the different sides of should we have or should we not have dropped the two bombs and I thought people find surprising that almost universally the top

01:08:43.173 --> 01:08:45.954
[SPEAKER_01]: levels of the US military did not want to drop it.

01:08:46.534 --> 01:08:49.414
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd always heard growing up like we had to had to do it.

01:08:49.554 --> 01:08:54.415
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that was not what the top military offers officers believe.

01:08:54.435 --> 01:08:55.736
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can check out my sub stack.

01:08:55.756 --> 01:09:00.577
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to read about that, Mr. Drosty History dot sub stack dot com.

01:09:00.617 --> 01:09:01.557
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much, Brittany.

01:09:01.577 --> 01:09:04.297
[SPEAKER_01]: That means a lot of your super chat and your continued support.

01:09:04.438 --> 01:09:05.038
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.

01:09:05.398 --> 01:09:06.678
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really appreciate you.

01:09:08.165 --> 01:09:10.627
[SPEAKER_01]: guys, anything else for we hit the road.

01:09:11.628 --> 01:09:12.569
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have one more thing.

01:09:13.630 --> 01:09:15.212
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you might take a couple minutes.

01:09:15.672 --> 01:09:16.033
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.

01:09:16.533 --> 01:09:18.315
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.

01:09:18.355 --> 01:09:20.997
[SPEAKER_03]: We had teased it last week, so we're going to pay it off.

01:09:22.170 --> 01:09:35.424
[SPEAKER_03]: For some of you who might not know, these guys knew way before, but in 2024, I made a decision at first to go in and start writing an ebook.

01:09:35.585 --> 01:09:38.227
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of morphed into something a little bit more.

01:09:38.608 --> 01:09:42.352
[SPEAKER_03]: So what I'm going to do, I don't have the exact cover.

01:09:42.412 --> 01:09:43.773
[SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of like a design.

01:09:43.813 --> 01:09:44.474
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have to probably.

01:09:44.494 --> 01:09:47.215
[SPEAKER_03]: We did it approved to like AP and so it's such like that.

01:09:47.235 --> 01:09:49.096
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do have a little photo of it.

01:09:49.436 --> 01:09:50.736
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, let me go full screen.

01:09:50.757 --> 01:09:51.697
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at this.

01:09:52.717 --> 01:09:53.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:09:54.718 --> 01:09:59.000
[SPEAKER_03]: So in the fall of 2007 and the back is signed by the way.

01:09:59.020 --> 01:10:00.060
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:10:02.942 --> 01:10:05.826
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be coming out with a book entitled Stormbreaker.

01:10:05.846 --> 01:10:10.113
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be Will Osprey's Voyage to America.

01:10:11.054 --> 01:10:17.283
[SPEAKER_03]: And I have taken my sweet time on this, because I got about three quarters the way through, and I feel like there's something's missing.

01:10:18.337 --> 01:10:24.160
[SPEAKER_03]: And I got the urge to start writing in May when I found out that he was coming here to Minneapolis and August.

01:10:25.460 --> 01:10:32.424
[SPEAKER_03]: And decided to write about a get about a 47 page proposal into him to let him view it.

01:10:32.924 --> 01:10:36.326
[SPEAKER_03]: I put it right in front of him and he was like, Oh, fuck yeah.

01:10:37.446 --> 01:10:39.127
[SPEAKER_02]: Those were his exact words.

01:10:39.167 --> 01:10:41.488
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just like, this is awesome.

01:10:41.548 --> 01:10:43.429
[SPEAKER_03]: And as just said, thank you.

01:10:43.449 --> 01:10:45.670
[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't want to go any further.

01:10:45.770 --> 01:10:48.392
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to ask a lot of questions at the time.

01:10:48.412 --> 01:10:48.992
[SPEAKER_03]: I just couldn't.

01:10:49.532 --> 01:10:55.615
[SPEAKER_03]: I think part of it was just because the initial shock was number one was super cool that he was able to, that he just loved it.

01:10:55.635 --> 01:11:04.980
[SPEAKER_03]: But number two, and this is going to be a big highlight of the story that I want to tell in this as well with his voyage, is that he's dyslexic.

01:11:06.330 --> 01:11:10.434
[SPEAKER_03]: ADHD dyslexic and has had a real hard time with reading.

01:11:10.454 --> 01:11:30.270
[SPEAKER_03]: He just he even says it times that he has the mind of a six year old that his steps on in him kind of think on the same wavelength, but yeah, this is he really brought me back to pro wrestling, I think at a time when I was like trying to find it like the bullet club obviously you see the Kenny shirt.

01:11:31.612 --> 01:11:35.755
[SPEAKER_03]: They brought me an NXT got me started then back in A.W.

01:11:35.835 --> 01:11:49.427
[SPEAKER_03]: obviously has this bigger reason why we're all here But I took a really big liking to Will Osprey back in the late in late 2017 when I first caught the Ricochet match that like it's very divisive Either love it, you hate it.

01:11:49.447 --> 01:11:50.588
[SPEAKER_03]: The really is no one between

01:11:51.259 --> 01:11:56.123
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's more to the human aspect of it than the performer too.

01:11:56.303 --> 01:11:57.524
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really want to highlight that.

01:11:57.985 --> 01:12:06.532
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's going to be probably about a good 30 to 40% of this book is just the humans, the human side of it, to the best of my capabilities.

01:12:06.632 --> 01:12:10.155
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I've done so much research.

01:12:10.215 --> 01:12:13.578
[SPEAKER_03]: I've listened to almost every interview he did in 2024.

01:12:14.318 --> 01:12:19.202
[SPEAKER_03]: I really want to highlight the whole flying back from England to the United States.

01:12:20.303 --> 01:12:27.626
[SPEAKER_03]: He spent two months in the air in the air in 2024 traveling from England to America.

01:12:28.706 --> 01:12:30.927
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you do that not not wear yourself out?

01:12:31.808 --> 01:12:38.890
[SPEAKER_03]: So this story is kind of a love letter to like what really got me back into pro wrestling was across the pond.

01:12:39.651 --> 01:12:40.051
[SPEAKER_03]: Japan.

01:12:40.711 --> 01:12:42.292
[SPEAKER_03]: But now falling for a guy who

01:12:43.112 --> 01:12:43.772
[SPEAKER_03]: works in England.

01:12:44.413 --> 01:12:47.735
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm actually going to read a couple of quick paragraphs and then we're going to call it good.

01:12:48.035 --> 01:12:48.355
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

01:12:48.595 --> 01:12:51.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we did know this was actually very cool.

01:12:51.377 --> 01:12:54.739
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think you even you even worked on this book a little bit at my house.

01:12:55.620 --> 01:12:59.261
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I remember bringing your laptop when you were first starting the project, yeah.

01:12:59.321 --> 01:13:04.022
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, that's Kenoskay to Keshe to match it, revolution that we all watched.

01:13:04.602 --> 01:13:07.203
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was writing notes frantically in that one.

01:13:07.603 --> 01:13:09.103
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy got to cut that one down.

01:13:09.223 --> 01:13:12.404
[SPEAKER_03]: But so I'm going to give you two paragraphs.

01:13:12.764 --> 01:13:20.986
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is going to be kind of the opening of it before we get into the first chapter of 2024 and kind of just framing like how that year went.

01:13:21.086 --> 01:13:24.767
[SPEAKER_03]: But here is just kind of like his little bit of his backstory

01:13:25.887 --> 01:13:28.748
[SPEAKER_03]: somewhere along the way of the framing change.

01:13:28.988 --> 01:13:38.931
[SPEAKER_03]: He stopped talking about the diagnosis, like a diagnosis, and started talking about them like an origin story, referring to, of course, to his ADHD and his dyslexia.

01:13:39.231 --> 01:13:45.513
[SPEAKER_03]: He'll tell you now that without hesitation, that he sees his neurodivergence, not as a deficit, but his fuel.

01:13:46.073 --> 01:13:53.155
[SPEAKER_03]: The very thing that let him lock into a craft so completely, that it entire industry eventually had no choice, but to notice him.

01:13:53.875 --> 01:14:10.312
[SPEAKER_03]: he wants young fans wrestling with the same struggles to see him and understand that the things making school feel impossible might also be the things that make you exceptional at something else entirely if you're lucky enough to find it and here is the very last paragraph I'm going to read here

01:14:11.153 --> 01:14:20.821
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he found this in a six sided ring on an ordinary September night watching three strangers turn violence into something closer to art.

01:14:21.042 --> 01:14:26.086
[SPEAKER_03]: Referring to course to Christopher Daniel Samoa Joe and AJ Styles from TNA 2005.

01:14:26.706 --> 01:14:31.831
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything since the backyard wrestling company, the classroom shame he refused to let win.

01:14:32.371 --> 01:14:36.415
[SPEAKER_03]: The years in Japan, the belts, the reputation is one of the best pure wrestlers alive.

01:14:37.095 --> 01:14:42.819
[SPEAKER_03]: all of this traces back to a 14 year old boy who wasn't supposed to be watching TNA that night.

01:14:43.620 --> 01:14:46.122
[SPEAKER_03]: Couldn't stop once he was.

01:14:47.583 --> 01:14:50.145
[SPEAKER_00]: God damn Jesse what the fuck dude.

01:14:50.905 --> 01:14:52.706
[SPEAKER_01]: Little did we know how this was brilliant.

01:14:52.726 --> 01:14:53.087
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:54.272 --> 01:14:55.372
[SPEAKER_01]: man, I can't wait.

01:14:55.572 --> 01:14:56.733
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.

01:14:57.193 --> 01:15:01.214
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like I said, and social super proud of you putting this together.

01:15:01.234 --> 01:15:03.775
[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be so fun to follow through release.

01:15:03.795 --> 01:15:06.436
[SPEAKER_01]: And then obviously reading it, it's going to be incredible.

01:15:08.197 --> 01:15:13.279
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like he told us, like we said, two years ago, plus that you're planning on doing this.

01:15:13.539 --> 01:15:13.659
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:15:15.906 --> 01:15:24.256
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad it's coming together that you had a chance to talk to him about it and everyone listens podcast, stay tuned.

01:15:24.276 --> 01:15:28.121
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to want to read this thing when it comes out, obviously we'll push it super hard when it comes out.

01:15:28.241 --> 01:15:28.641
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um.

01:15:29.773 --> 01:15:35.276
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tim, as if you'll be interviewing him, hopefully you'll get a chance to get some quotes from him to directly in the book.

01:15:35.736 --> 01:15:38.637
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're kind of working on that, but we're trying.

01:15:39.638 --> 01:15:42.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Ryan knows this, PR-A-W-Hard.

01:15:42.659 --> 01:15:43.820
[SPEAKER_03]: Very difficult to get through.

01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:46.921
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's going to be a matter of I think will.

01:15:47.041 --> 01:15:50.143
[SPEAKER_03]: And I also, I have, I think, a few people that can help me.

01:15:50.923 --> 01:16:04.677
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially because I mean there's like one really big supporter of this project and he's come out twice and said he's like holy shit I can't believe you're doing this I want to do this myself and this guy's pretty well known for his writing so I think he might be able to help me to

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[SPEAKER_01]: cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very cool.

01:16:08.873 --> 01:16:15.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep us posted for sure because we're all excited and everyone the discourse excited and everything too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, congrats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it's strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get that thing on the shelves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the goal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Open by the fall the next year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a, I'm just wrapping up November and heading into December.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm going to have that book proposal

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very cool.

01:16:38.859 --> 01:16:46.542
[SPEAKER_01]: Brittany on the super chat again nice to see the trio back welcome back just in yes never the same have just in here so for sure to yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: awesome stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty newsworthy edition of top rope nation tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, plenty to digest and think about as we move forward.

01:16:58.834 --> 01:17:02.075
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we'll be coming back at you probably in about a week or so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to do a classics here too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, getting behind in the busyness of our children's schedules here, but we'll have a classics dropping for patrons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very soon as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't keep any jerks around in the discord.

01:17:44.110 --> 01:17:47.031
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a solid group of people with great discussions going on all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where most of our kind of banter day-to-day is right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is it, appreciate everybody who tuned in tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This has been episode four hundred and twenty three top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you all next time.