CM Punk Wins World Title, AEW Blood and Guts Build

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[SPEAKER_09]: Welcome to the very first episode of Top Rope Nation, Episode 50 of the Top Rope Nation Wrestling Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_09]: The episode 100, and has been done if you ever doubted us, it's Top Rope Nation Episode 150.

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[UNKNOWN]: You

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[SPEAKER_12]: Leave me to do it, it is no time!

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[SPEAKER_12]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_12]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back here in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The only way to cry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Good morning everybody, it is Ryan Drasty, Jesse Velasquez, Justin Join here to talk all the latest and pro wrestling and to talk about a landmark show for this podcast episode 400, Justin Join how you do in this morning.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I'm doing pretty damn good and you know,

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[SPEAKER_11]: means that this is our 400th episode, you know, I guess I should say that pretty busy night last night had, I mean, my wife went out to dinner for our ninth anniversary, seven course meal.

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[SPEAKER_11]: It was pretty phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_11]: And so I told you guys probably wasn't going to be able to watch Saturday night's main event.

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[SPEAKER_11]: But you know, this is the 400th episode.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So I got up early and I was able to watch the main event of Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_11]: And that of course being bandied over since mascara Dorado.

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[SPEAKER_09]: dude, I just watched that match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I had a couple of people recommend it to me this morning on text.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I saw it in the group.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think John posted in the group too.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So I just watched that within the last 30 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_11]: But it was also not the best thing about last night, which was an absolutely batshit crazy game seven of the world series.

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[SPEAKER_09]: What a weekend, you know, Friday night, trick or treating with the kids, you know, having a few adult beverages out there in the frozen tundra, I mean, it wasn't that bad.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was in the 30s, little colder than I'd like, but, you know, and then Saturday, Saturday, it's made of that collision, crazy world series.

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[SPEAKER_09]: One of the best world series of all time, I'm in insane, absolutely insane.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Jesse, how are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Really well, I got a little guy behind me at a change position.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't want me in his spot to record today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually kind of like this spot to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This little angle and everything's pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I haven't seen that angle before.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So different backdrop for episode 400.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we got to switch it up, I suppose.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I did not do my due diligence and count how many episodes I've been on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I started at 301 as a regular, which was pretty crazy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So,

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[SPEAKER_04]: 90 some episodes there plus a guest and probably been on for about a hundred and I only caught two minutes but the two minute highlights of Bandito and a mascara Dorado from last night and yeah it's about what I expected easily the probably the best thing I saw over the course of a little bit an hour and 53 minutes worth of wrestling yeah

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[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it was a fun night.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We got we got plenty to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to talk to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We've got some voicemails to play.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We did have some listeners calling and leave some well wishes for episode 400.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I have compiled them.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I will play them on the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Probably, probably about halfway through around where the ad break usually comes in the podcast feed for people.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That's when we will feature those almost seven minutes of well wishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Well, thank you everybody.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we'll just sit back and listen to those.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Also, Justin and Jesse, if my video is cutting out or getting blurry, please let me know, because you know through 400 episodes of this show, how I am in post production.

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[SPEAKER_08]: What?

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[SPEAKER_09]: And see, I get about this kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And when I play the intro video today, first time I can remember and forever on my end,

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was all studgery and bad.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, oh, crap, episode 400.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to have technology problems here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So if I'm looking blurrier or anything, please let me know.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So I can like restart my internet and get back on the stream.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But so far from these tabs, it's looking okay for me.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But yes, there have been some instances in the 400 episodes of the show where something goes bad

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he threatened to crack the whip if I didn't mute myself for a minute because of the four and a half year old behind me That's fascinating with his number blocks of multiplication All right, um My video looks a little odd on my end.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't really know what's going on here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Looks all right here.

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[SPEAKER_11]: You look beautiful

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think I'm going to just just in case, I'm going to sign up for a second and come back.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So not the best way I wanted to do on episode 400, but I'm getting a little nervous right now.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So you too, I need you guys to carry the conversation for a second because I'm nervous my internet's going to die.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I will be right back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The third co-host behind me, Harris is playing his wonderful audio.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So all of you can hear it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have all of the bells and whistles to be able to get you through what's what's I am scared to hear.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I am scared to ask this question, but it is I've been holding on to it for weeks now.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Have you watched Coco?

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[SPEAKER_11]: Why ES?

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[SPEAKER_11]: You did.

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[SPEAKER_11]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_11]: You didn't give us the feedback.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, so what, tell us, would you hear?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a definite fan.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The opening minutes, I was like, yep, I'm going to love this song.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Locked in already.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I said, as soon as he goes to bed tonight, definitely re-watching it for sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the third time is when I'll introduce him to the movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he'll be okay with it.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Thanks, though.

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[SPEAKER_11]: There's nothing too bad, but you know, skeletons and whatnot is always producing.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, dude.

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[SPEAKER_11]: You love skeletons.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Uh, Thursday, Thursday night, big night in the joint house

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[SPEAKER_11]: Uh, the wife and I showed my oldest, the goonies for the first time and he freaking loved it to the point where he was the first one up Friday morning.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I come, I walk out to the living room and he is rewatching the goonies.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I couldn't have been more proud.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a definite classic movie.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I, you know, it had been so long since I'd seen it.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I was kind of worried about, was there anything I was forgetting that would be especially scary?

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[SPEAKER_11]: You know, I remembered all the skeletons in the boat at the end.

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[SPEAKER_11]: But I'd forgotten about the dead body and the freezer that junkies run into.

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[SPEAKER_11]: But when the dead body shows up again in the back of the station, Wagon, my kid just lost it laughing.

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[SPEAKER_11]: He thought that was a funniest thing ever.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Chunks reaction.

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[SPEAKER_11]: He just couldn't get away from that dead body.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Nope, nope, not at least once he realized that Sloth was going to be Chunks friend.

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[SPEAKER_11]: He was all in.

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[SPEAKER_11]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, John Hope, I, the only time I've ever gone out on Halloween night as a wrestler I went to sting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Croutap everything, dark hair, uh, spider in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was like 1989 sting, I think.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the own ironically we're gonna talk about it here in class.

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[SPEAKER_11]: The only time I dressed up as a wrestler was I basically just did the face paint of Hawk Legion of Doom and I happened to have this like big red black and white jacket winter jacket so it worked out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would have traded you I was an LOD mark through and through and I'm assuming you you were a steamed a sting person.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Sting and bread heart.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I did, uh, I'm back.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I did macho man one time.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That was pretty fun with that was once I had kids and my kids are starting to like macho, so I dressed up as someone.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But I think that's it for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You got to get that impersonation down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think like was it Dan Soters at the guys name?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Incredible.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Machaman Randy Savage.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So my Google Chrome just updated.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So hopefully that'll fix the problems out.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Luckily, it wasn't coming through for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But it was coming through on my end.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was making me very antsy.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Of course, episode 400.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that was my god.

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[SPEAKER_09]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Alright, Saturday night's main event, we're going to start with this one, much to just enjoy its dismay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I watched it live last night, and, uh, we'll start with the biggest news, the main event, in the main event, CM Punk defeated Jay Uso.

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[SPEAKER_09]: to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, the title they created out of thin air a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That version of the world title, but CM Punk now having a world title again, and the match itself against, yeah, just out the quotes, the match with J.U.So crowd was into, mostly throughout, I would call it a pretty lackluster match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm just trying to be straightforward with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Again, I watched it live.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I wanted to enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was a pretty lackluster match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Juso looked horrendous in this match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe that's a little strong.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There were sequences in the match where Juso looked horrendous.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You might have seen the clips out there.

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[SPEAKER_09]: This neckbreaker spot was awful.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Just total botch punk almost look like

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if it was planned or not, they may have saved it live, you know, we're punk hits the GTS, he does the spot where then he drops down to his knee, Jay rebounds off the ropes, punk catches him, a down on his knees and goes to stand up to do it again.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And he kind of like stumbled backwards and then immediately Jay put a sleeper on him.

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[SPEAKER_09]: and they wanted to this sequence were then punk hits and a con device locks that in and then eventually they go back to the GTS and punk gets to win.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So I don't know if that was planned, it seemed like it was legitimately a screw up and there it had to give Jay props for putting on the sleeper to kind of save it, make it all look natural.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Jessie, what you thought, I thought the match was like slow motion throughout everything was very slow.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Jay was very slow in the match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, obviously, punks getting older.

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[SPEAKER_09]: What did you think of it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Eight letters one word entrance.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's J.U.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he, he's a mediocre worker.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He, he shouldn't be in the spotlight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We've been telling you this for a couple years.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Glitz glamour.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll honestly, Ryan, that transition was probably one of my favorite spots of the whole match was when he slipped on that sleeper getting out of that GTS.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it looked good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it kind of ice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The worst part

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[SPEAKER_04]: Punk spear after Uso hit the GTS.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was like half of a shoulder tackle with really rough.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and, you know, to your point about the entrances, you know, you had Jay come out, crowds going crazy for him, they had, by the way, I was going to also say they had some celebrities there.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They got to be companies, people, and just bringing them, you know, to the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But you had, um, what's his name, Tony Hinchcliff there, dropped, stop trying to make this guy think he was out there again, Paulie Shore, my god, Paulie Shore was there, which

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[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and, uh, who else did they?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, post Malone.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's, that was a point I was going to make.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Post Malone, I think, is the only one of those, maybe Pauli Shore.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Hinge Cliff is clearly not a wrestling guy.

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[SPEAKER_09]: He was gone.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They brought him out, and then he left.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But post Malone was there the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think he's legit a fan, and he was going nuts during the J.U.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So, entrance to, um, post the other celebrities behind the announced grid left by then he stayed throughout the whole show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But then when you got into the match,

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[SPEAKER_09]: The fans are all behind the scene punk and not Jay, despite going crazy for the entrance.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And then afterward, Jay went on social media and said something paraphrasing, something to the effect of you got what you wanted with a middle finger.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They keep leaning into Jay possibly turning heel, which I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think that that would be a terrible idea, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You

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[SPEAKER_04]: and who would have thought that when he became a single entity that his promo ability would leave with him, because he was solid and all online.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was very good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he might arguably, at him, Roman Sammy, they kept that whole story going for.

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[SPEAKER_04]: a long time, so he literally has just become an entrance merchant.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So with him being a heal, I mean, it could maybe be compelling to that audience if they want to see Jay and Roman with Jay as a heal and Roman as a face, but for us, I don't really see the whole point of it all, and I think this might have been my favorite match of the night out of the four.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, to me, it takes away the only thing about his presentation that's good as the entrance, you know, if he goes heel and he takes that away from him, you're left with a guy who's much better in tags, who flounders in the ring as a single, who's talking hasn't been there of late, like you said.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, I don't know how far you can roll a JU so as a heel, but you know, we'll see what he could do in that roll, Zach and the chats as mediocre as generous on that one.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was, it was not great.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I was not surprised.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I said on the Bleacher Report Preview I did for the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I thought Punk would win or they do like some kind of BS finish where nobody won and drag it out a little bit longer like division would get involved or something.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I could have seen that happening to.

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[SPEAKER_09]: In the end, this is probably the correct decision though, because, you know, J has the bold line stuff going on, doesn't really need the title with that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So I was not surprised.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And yes, CM Punk Justin, your new world heavyweight champion.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, so happy for punk, finally climbing that mountain.

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[SPEAKER_11]: And well, we got a whole bunch of former AW guys, as your champions in

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[SPEAKER_11]: the entirety of WWE, which is very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I saw exactly one clip from this match, and it was obviously people making fun of it, the swinging net breaker.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I want to call that out.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that was embarrassing.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Can't imagine thinking, J.U.

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[SPEAKER_11]: was underrated.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Love you, Michael.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's definitely not underrated, you know, if anything.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So, you know, but to your point about the whole like turning heel thing, you know, the entrance is so over and we have a long history of knowing Jay is an awesome tag team wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Just fold his gimmick with Jimmy and call the day.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Like, you know, let them finish out their careers as a Uber popular throwing your hands in the air tag team.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Both of them like coming down opposite sides of the arena doing that entrance be incredible be look great on TV Yeah, yeah, I'd much rather see that personally, but yeah, I agree it probably one of the lower.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm trying that might yeah It's probably the lowest rated match on the show for me if I was doing the star ratings I usually do the star rings for patrons, but usually for the paper views.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I won't do them for this I think I

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[SPEAKER_09]: I might maybe come in sub three stars on that match right at three.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was not it was not great

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[SPEAKER_09]: Now, you know, they open with Cody and Drew McIntyre.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They wrestled for the undisputed title.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think really any surprise there that Cody retained the title in the opening match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I just think that Cody's title ran as kind of on fumes to me.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's just not super interesting right now.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I know, yes, I did write him.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Highly and my wrestling power rankings on our recent episode.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And that's because he is the top baby face champion.

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[SPEAKER_09]: of the biggest wrestling promotion on Earth and it's still mega over with the fans.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I just want to see him do something more creatively satisfying for me personally as a fan, which maybe is not the target audience, but Jesse your thoughts on the opener.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be honest parts of this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really liked parts of this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really hated.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it kind of balanced out directly in the middle for me as a match.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to scroll up to my notes here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, there was a spot where McIntyre gave roads like a shoulder tackle and sent Cody off the apron through the table.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Looked kind of hokey, you know, Cody definitely jumped for it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They took out the table and then within the hour of 10 15 minutes after the match, the table was back up and I'll set up again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Drew antagonizing Cody to try to get him to squallified because that became a thing to change world champions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I liked his sense of urgency towards the tail end with the power moves.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I said Drew was doing some really good heel work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like the spinning Cody cutter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a nice little touch to one of his trademark moves.

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[SPEAKER_04]: One of the things that I hated, big time, was when he got body checked into that table.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He beat the count of 10.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Aren't you supposed to sell that?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's not good.

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[SPEAKER_09]: He jumped up and ran into the ring.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I cut it over.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was you know, I guess that little little piece of this that is appealing with Cody's character is like he's evolving into this guy who will do whatever it takes to win

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[SPEAKER_09]: And if there's a shortcut to be taken, he'll do it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So you know, Drew brings in the title at the end of the match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: He gets prevented from using it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Cody ends up DDTing him on the title.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So he used that to help him get the finish.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So you're seeing him kind of take some shortcuts here and there.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, I mean, I guess long term, or in the immediate short term, still kind of waiting on a Cody Orton feud.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I don't know where else they're going right now with him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They could have pulled the trigger on that moment to go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And to be honest, now as much as I think all three of us really enjoyed Drew McIntyre's work, we can't take him seriously as a world title contender anymore with all these times he gets thrown to the wolves.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's just like that high mid, cause he's like the, yeah, the lowest on the main event totem pole in the highest of the high midcard.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's like very good just to put over somebody that they think is a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When reality drew should be there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's proven it, especially with his social media work.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think this year to John's point drew us so much better than his booking.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_09]: 100% agree.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, we've set on the show for years.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We've always liked his work.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, he's had so many chances now and come up short so many times that it's just he does.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It feels above him at this point, unfortunately, to be world champion.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Jason's wanting Cody to do something more creatively satisfying is a succinct summary of

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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, for the most part, like that's good.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so yeah, they opened with that probably one of the more predictable results going in in addition to that opener was Jade Cargill defeating Tiffany Stratton.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So when the WWE Women's Championship, this was her first world championship in WWE here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I figured it would happen because again, Tiffany's title rant also kind of running on fumes had it for a

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[SPEAKER_09]: they kept the match short five and a half minutes so they protected jade she looked pretty good out there she didn't there was not we talked about jade having some greenness in the ring despite being in the industry for many years at this point you know just not having worked a lot you know only on TV not having the house show circus something that is to her detriment because he's largely had to learn on television and sometimes she doesn't look so great out there

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[SPEAKER_09]: This match, she was pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Tiffany hit a wild swan ton bomb at one point during the matches was probably the highlight of the match, I think.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But in the end, you know, five and a half minutes, they put over Jade strongly.

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[SPEAKER_09]: She hit several power bombs towards the finish, which I thought was necessary.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I thought she needed to look dominant in winning here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Jessica, give me your take.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think this was the right decision for where they want to go with her with the time that they put in the investment and turning her heel was also a thing as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When they hit that first term when Jade hit that first move like the big power move, the crowd was so quiet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, okay, are you invested in this match at all?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And let's get this out of the way right now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Salt Lake City, 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They had 12,700 people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: 2025 back to back nights.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Friday nights, Macdown was like 4,700.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Last night, Saturday nights, main event, 7,000.

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[SPEAKER_04]: seven hundred.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're looking at what a third of the crowd for Friday.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Two-thirds of the crowd on Saturday from last year.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It showed in that giant set, which I really like the presentation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it visually, it was very good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Justin, I think you would agree with me if you just get a chance one to just check it out.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, just the mad alone definitely peaked my interest.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I thought getting rid of all the fucking advertisements on there.

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[SPEAKER_11]: It looked fantastic with the logo on there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the other big thing for me was there were no commercial break, so this hour and 51 for WWE actually flew by.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There were commercial life.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So you watch on demand, maybe they removed them.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because live there was commercials, because I was annoyed at how long there was between the matches live.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They were still running commercials live, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But I agree, I liked them.

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[SPEAKER_09]: They got rid of the ads on the turnbuckles, on the mat.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There was much less of that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You still the prime stuff out there and I think some ads on the ribbon boards and things here and there.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But it didn't look as low rent as some of these shows where it's just UFC on steroids with ads all over the ring I don't know if that you know if this would have been on NBC proper because it was only on peacock If they would have had them or not although I mean the PLEs They still have them to so I don't know why they would make a difference, but yeah, it just looked visually better now you know that they would have

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[SPEAKER_09]: if they could have used the smaller set, you know, with people sitting behind the entrance, but like as you said, Jesse, they were kind of struggling to move tickets for the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, weigh it out.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Now, I would give them like a little bit of a break on the Friday night one because it was Halloween, you know, whatever holiday kids going out trick or treating, maybe not wanting to go to the wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But Saturday, it's Saturday and I just made a event.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There's these title matches.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's a huge show and to get thousands less than the last time they ran the market.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was a bit of a red flag for WWE and certainly something we've been following here on the show with the ticket pricing and the impact that that is having on their returns to markets.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I posted something, I think, in the Facebook group, I had it on my Twitter page of

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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, if you compare them, the last time they've been in a lot of the markets, they've ran the last two months to where they are now, and their ticket sales are down, like 30%.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Something like that in the same markets the second time around.

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[SPEAKER_09]: A lot of those shows were during many of seasons, so people are saying, oh, but it was WrestleMania season, the products cooler in the fall.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't buy that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think that when a touring act comes to town,

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[SPEAKER_09]: Since it doesn't happen every month, you buy the tickets if you're into the product, no matter when it is.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think that that has a huge impact on ticket sales.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, some of the, I mean, some of them were like February, too.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was like many a season.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I guess it's between rumble and mania, but there was still like two months to go until mania.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So I think that's a bit of a cop out when you're looking at the drop off of ticket sales.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think a lot of it has to do with the ever increasing ticket prices and then pricing out a lot of their fan base.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's definitely a big one because I think AEW's probably plateaued.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they've been pretty consistent 2024 and 2024 and 2025 since moving into, moving into the shorter smaller arenas, which I made a note on them plugged by the way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they should try to start getting into those 3 to 5,000 seat venues now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they can start doing that, the products are a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_04]: 100% agree.

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[SPEAKER_09]: All right, really quickly, one more match from Serenite's main event and then we're going to go to the voicemails that are listener sent in for episode 400.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So, um, the icy title match with Dominic Mysterio defending its Russev and Penta to former AEW guys, Dominic really one of the big.

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[SPEAKER_09]: highlights of WWE this year who to thought you know really coming into his own as a performer getting over with the fans and we go back to WrestleMania and we saw him you really started to get cheered by everybody but man this kid has improved in just a ton since getting thrown to the wolves on national television when he started getting in there with a ray pretty solid match Jesse

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, match of the night for me and I actually said that it looked like Penta and Rusev had their working shoes on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They looked a little bit quicker than they usually do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll give them kudos for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: One little nitpick on Dom.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When it comes to chaps, forums, and things, I don't know why he does this all the time, but he goes like this and covers up, like be a pro and leave it open, like all the pros do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You got to sell the punishment a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's just one little tiny nitpick that I would have go for with that, to how many Mysterio.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this really flowed well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Pents and now, this is his fifth failed attempt to get the Intercontinental Championship in the last six and a half months.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This started a WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, almost six and a half months.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, Varus of this is the third time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, don't you have other people that could step up into this slot and wrestle down Mysterio in this scenario?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now, they're repeating the same thing with the women side of things, with all people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maxine, do pre.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They've wrestled back to back weeks, and it might happen again here in the next couple, but just don't get this booking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is like Vince McMahon 2019 all over again.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's part of it, too.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I know it's not a hard Ranspot and you see people that float between the brands no matter what they say when they need them to, but some of this is just the brand split just never works.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We have rented on this on the show for nine and a half years, not a fan of the brand split.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It really has not served to elevate people like you would want.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe a handful of people here and there, but I personally would just rather have the load of up shows with more depth rather than getting the same feuds over and over and in the same thing at the top of the card with the world championship.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, the two world champions is confusing to fans at, in my opinion, waters down the world title scene.

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[SPEAKER_09]: No fun.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's a hunker.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and something that's really been coming up in the last few days, but something that we've probably been talking about as I can glamour it for a decade is that when they unveil that WrestleMania 42 poster, there was nobody under the age of 40 on it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, you had the male stars on there, no females, and your females are younger than then your guys, like why wouldn't there be a little bit of diversity in your poster?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And especially in the raw side, I think more interesting than anything happening, men's division over the last few months.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And also Jesse, who was leading the charge on that commercial?

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[SPEAKER_09]: you guessed it of course he's the shutter piece of the fucking commercial I mean this guy what a glory-hound unreal they debut this big commercial they hype up and it's it's it's Paul of that count there front and center.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Staying away I think you need to embrace that Ryan like for change the logo to just like your face top Ryan nation

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[SPEAKER_09]: just fades in at the show up and it's just my face really big and it just like opens up in here we are.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to put like in a huge text over the end of the show, producer Ryan Drosty just huge.

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[SPEAKER_11]: You have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_11]: That has to happen.

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[SPEAKER_09]: How am I doing next week as a joke?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to do that now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, tap your imagination.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That is the best.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I think they try to copy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, they don't like doesn't do this for his, when he's promoting his UFC cards.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't see him front in center.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Vince has been on a couple of the WrestleMania posters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When he's actually been involved in a match, but it's always been off to the side.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's always featured on a Stone Cold Steve Austin or Iraq, but nope.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Underneath all the glory that he was just one of those things where when I saw the commercial debut, I'm like roll in my eyes and we come on this is like beyond parody at this point every time it's all about him all about hunter sad sad say the fairs, but yeah anyways Dominic one frog splash onto the roof of yeah probably my favorite match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_09]: good stuff, Dominic's been a highlight in, uh, I think a company that's kind of down on its luck creatively right now, just not super, uh, super interesting to me, but we're still going to cover it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I just think that they're in the doldrums right now, and that falls on one man's plate to get it right, Paul the Beck.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It kind of have a golden opportunity here, December 13th to actually do something correctly and get a young person in a slot to face John Cena, because that is also some big news that came on a Saturday night's main event.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, we should talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Introduce that?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Now, also though, I got a site, so they're doing a 16-man tournament to determine Sina's final opponent at that DC, Serenite's Man event December.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh boy, that's fucking weak-sauce-booking.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That is lazy as hell.

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[SPEAKER_09]: How many times have you heard that AEW does too many tournaments?

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[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, going into John Sina's final match, I'd like to see them build up some kind of feud.

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[SPEAKER_09]: where he's going out there for the last time, and there's a grudge feud going, and you know, grudge match, you know, a blood feud even, like they build this up for months is what they should have done to get to the final match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Instead, it's a 16-man tournament, and his last match is just whoever wins the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That's a huge cop out, I think.

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[SPEAKER_11]: And you, I mean, to look at it positively, is your hope would be, okay, well, they use the tournament, not only to build up,

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[SPEAKER_11]: this next superstar, but also this whoever wins this tournament should be John Cena and get the absolute rub of rub from doing that, but we've kind of see them try this before.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, they should do it with Austin Theory again.

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[SPEAKER_11]: See how that works out.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, I just, I don't know who's out there who'd be a good candidate that could actually get over with this format.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's only one, uh, the former NXT World Heavyweight Champion.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's Obofemi.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, 10 run through everybody because he said bra smack down NXT and even somebody outside of the company, which means maybe they bring in like a TNA person, what do you do there?

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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I'd say put the if you really want to put some steps into it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody over the age of 35 is involved in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I would do it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But we know what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be a veteran that ends up facing him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe even a gunther.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They've probably been rumoring that he comes back and he's the one that goes over scene of which.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you build that feud, which I think going through would do a good job, this would be good business.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think it's going to be going through almost certainly.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So we shall see when we catch up on this chat here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: John point out, there was also no cards in that poker game.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Zax and a top rope nation coffee mug with just my face.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if it was a cell even like it, just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Dante, congratulations on the 400th show, thank you, Dante.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I got to say you guys, we're going to go these voice mails here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: When I started this show back in the summer of 2016, I don't know if I ever would have thought we get to 400 episodes.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And when you think about all the Patreon stuff we've done to, I mean, it's well over 500 episodes that we've done.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Before 100 here of the flagships is pretty incredible.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, I've got to thank everybody who has ever been associated with this show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Of course, Justin and Jesse here, my old tag team partner, Kyle Ross, of course, who stepped away a couple of years ago, but was an integral part of the show for 300 episodes almost.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And you know, Kyle's come back a couple of times for Patreon shows and we got that in the works to bring him back again, but.

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[SPEAKER_09]: He had to step away due to some things going on in his real life.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But whenever we can get Kyle involved, we will.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And we've done some awesome stuff in the history of this show, whether it was traveling out to Las Vegas and doing a show live on the Vegas strip after double or nothing 2022.

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[SPEAKER_09]: meet up in New Orleans for WrestleMania, going to all out a couple of times with Jesse, you know, hang out with Jesse in person multiple times since he's a lot closer to us than Kyle was, you know, just a three hour drive away.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We've been able to hang in person quite a few times.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I think that Jesse stepped into a role that was really hard to succeed in because Kyle definitely set the bar really high.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And people have been vocal about this over the last couple of years in our Facebook group.

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[SPEAKER_09]: tweets and everything that Jesse stepped in and succeeded in an area that would have been very hard for most people to do so.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I knew, you know, Jesse, I met you through blue wire.

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[SPEAKER_09]: and you were doing your show, and you guessed it on here a couple of times, as you said.

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[SPEAKER_09]: When Kyle stepped away, Justin and I did it just us for a couple of months, but we wanted to add a third again, and you were just the most logical guy to come on, because every time you came on, you fit right in, you could do a show solo successfully, which is so hard to do.

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[SPEAKER_09]: that I knew that added to the rotation to make it a trio again, you would definitely succeed.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And so I want to thank you for stepping into those shoes two years ago and succeeding with flying colors, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate all the words, thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So words of affirmationers, this is my second love language.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we hit that one right on the head.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be honest, I've become so comfortable with these solo shows now, like it'd be really weird finding a co-host to do unplug with me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: However, I did see something in all of our surveys and for this project I'm working on next year, which I'll unveil in about a week and a half.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I play it on having one person with me each and every week to go over what I'm going to cover.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And again, we'll announce that here, middle of the month, which I'm very excited for this project, something for the Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But yes, I love you guys, so I'm extremely thankful, blessed, fortunate to form such a tremendous conglomeration.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll use an AW term here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah,

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, indeed, I love that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, Justin, I mean, what more are needs to be said?

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[SPEAKER_09]: You stepped in in what January of 2017, here on the show, and Kyle stepped away during bowl game season, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You know, it was the first six months to show it been on the air.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Justin was one of our most dedicated listeners, but Justin and I had been friends since, like 2001, 2000s, like that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So we know each other a long time.

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[SPEAKER_09]: and within probably two years of starting the podcast, Justin and I had kind of reconnected, because we kind of lost touch other than like Facebook for a few years, and we happened to run into each other with our now wives, they're both, well, Megan and I were married, but you guys were still dating, you and Chris.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And we went to a Mexican restaurant in town, and there was hardly anyone there, and Justin and his wife Caitlyn walked to her as future wife Caitlyn walked in.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's like holy crap.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's just I haven't seen him in years.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And then we reconnected and we're going out and getting some beers and talking wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And then I started the wrestling website, top row press, and you started writing for the website, and then two years later I started the pod and six months into it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There you were and you have been an awesome awesome addition to the show as well and it's been fun to see you grow as a podcaster And I don't know what else to say other than it's it's been a blast

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[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think, you know, we've said it a million times on the podcast, but I by far the best thing about it is all the relationships that it has made and strengthened, you know, I, you know, I count YouTube as dear friends and that's all because of this thing that you started Ryan, so I mean, first and foremost, thank you for.

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[SPEAKER_11]: for everything.

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[SPEAKER_11]: You've done creating this community with, you know, everybody on our Facebook page, everybody who watches the show, everybody who listens to the show.

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[SPEAKER_11]: It's just, it's kept me into professional wrestling at times where I very, very likely would have gone dark again, like I did in the mid-90s for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_11]: And again, in the 2000s,

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[SPEAKER_11]: So it just it keeps me coming back, you know, being able to talk to you guys, you know, I don't know how many times I have absolutely been dreading or not feeling like podcasting and then the second, you know, we go live.

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[SPEAKER_11]: It's just like, oh, I'm back at home.

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[SPEAKER_11]: This feels exactly where I'm supposed to be and it lightens the mood when the mood is dark and just always.

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[SPEAKER_11]: It's a hundred percent going to make me feel better if I'm in a bad mood.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So thank you both for all of this and thank you to everybody who follows along and chats with us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As a listener first ever since I've come aboard just in your game has up to like eight matches.

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[SPEAKER_04]: since Kyle left.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's something I've truly noticed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You've been able to spread your butterfly wings and blossom in your role.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I have really enjoyed the maturation process of you here on on top.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ropination through the audio and video piece.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So give yourself a chance and listen to an episode with yourself on just one quick one.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I've done that before.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I'm going to

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[SPEAKER_11]: Possibly better just because I curse more than I used to Just makes me sound cooler.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to start smoking on the pot.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Do you need that much cooler?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is there a podcast or out there that does that look what it did for the same man's career in 1999?

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[SPEAKER_09]: There we go While we're laughing I have to put up this image that John Hope just sent out Let's just put this up

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It is the top-robination logo kind of with my name or the top of it.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That's good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Alright, should we go to the voicemails?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Think about 10 of you.

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[SPEAKER_09]: 10 of you called in and left messages.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I threw this out in the Facebook group and on the Patreon page, appreciate all of you who did.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think some of the sentiments we had about building a community around the show, which has always been my favorite thing about it and connecting with so many cool people over the years.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I think you're gonna hear those sentiments echoed by a few people on here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_09]: These are, this is the voice mail line for episode 400 of Top Rope Nation enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Top Rope Nation and 400 episodes that is quite the achievement.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is your guy, Derek down here in Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I am so proud of you guys.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm happy to call you guys friends.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations on 400 episodes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go 400 more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations 400 episodes is incredible and you guys are still the best wrestling podcast out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's in the glass?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got drafts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got weekly breakdowns.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have got it all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you guys are the best and I can't wait for 400 more episodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it's just your A.K.A.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no one left to find us in the negotiations on the form of Twitter episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm always here in a bit.

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[SPEAKER_12]: See you soon, Dr. Paul.

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[SPEAKER_12]: See you.

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[SPEAKER_12]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_12]: Episode 4.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, guys, just wanted to say congratulations on your milestone.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I've actually been a listener for years more than I've been a patron.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I started listening around the time AEDW started, definitely before the pandemic, and just wanted to say you have been a constant source almost weekly entertainment when I used to hike and I've always enjoyed your your commentary viewpoints.

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[SPEAKER_06]: even your American sports references, which I have absolutely no clue about, but it's always interesting to listen to.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I just wanted to show out out the what's behind the page from wall, your classics, great job with those 15 minute teases to use to do because that got me to check it out and they are always hilarious and always worth the money and the weekly unplugged

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[SPEAKER_06]: will enjoy listening to them, but whatever times that I have, I just want to say I'm proud to be part of a larger top-robination family, and I wish you all the best, and I look forward to seeing how you guys expand further.

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[SPEAKER_12]: Thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys, it's Frank Petty Annie, just want to say congratulations on reaching the 400 episode milestone, just a tremendous accomplishment in a real crowded space, but you guys did it, you did tremendous work, weekend and weekend, proud to be a listener, proud to be a part of it too, you know, obviously I've

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[SPEAKER_00]: been on a show a number of times you guys have worked with me over at the torch and you know there is there's no question what you guys do is just tremendous the knowledge that you guys bring and the way you deliver it is amazing but the thing I'm proud about the most with you guys is that you created a little family you know I made a lot of friends through top rope nation you guys I could sort of friends and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we texted forth, you know, I couldn't have imagined doing that with another podcast, which you guys did it, and there really is something to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everything in life is all about relationships, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys have created this, this really great thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep it going, proud to be a part of it, and I look forward to what's to come.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Hey guys, it's Aaron from Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Ryan, Justin, Jesse, and Kyle, congratulations on reaching 400 episodes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: It's a testament to the time energy and relentless effort.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You guys have poured into this show week after week.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Not only have you created something that is truly a joy to listen to, but also cultivated a community of smart, level headed individuals.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Which is almost more impressive than the 400 episodes shout out to each of your families for sacrifice and just so as listeners can get our wrestling fix Here's two and other 400 episodes and thanks for everything you guys do Congratulations from Justin's favorite dad Yo, this is Zach Vanaro patron Shout out to Jesse Justin Ryan the whole crew

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[SPEAKER_07]: Happy 400.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Cheers.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Here's another 400 more.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Hope you got your favorite N.A.

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[SPEAKER_07]: if you're doing that today, your favorite coffee, your favorite IPA, bubbly water, whatever it is, soak it up, and yeah, let's get another 400 more.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Hello, top rope nation crew.

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[SPEAKER_08]: This is Jay, longtime listener, first-time caller.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I'm taking a break from the 17th Cinematic Commercial Break of Saturday Night's Yeet Event to shout out to my favorite wrestling podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That acknowledges how hard it is to both be nostalgic for and enjoy a company that employs head poopers.

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[SPEAKER_08]: disingenuous punks and the prime drink guy.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I'd like to thank my wrestling spirit animal Justin joint for being confounded by whatever it is WWE pretends to be right now.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Jesse, for reminding me each week that puttering wrestling fans are the dirt worst and Ryan for putting Cody Rhodes in his top three list of his best current wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Seriously, man, Cody,

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[SPEAKER_08]: But seriously, thanks for creating a show that can enjoy a really watch review, rip on, and celebrate wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_08]: While staying focused on what truly matters, beer, whiskey, and the fact that the wrestlers are who we root for.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Except for Cody.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Fuck that guy.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Not the billionaires who don't pay them enough.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Dino Bravo forever.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you've caught hate from a cross-up on Dingo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brisson?

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[SPEAKER_01]: huge congratulations to guys for hitting episode 400.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an incredible achievement and it's a reflection of the hard work that everyone involved in top preparation have put in over the years, you know, everyone involved and shown now and who's been involved in the show in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This milestone, I can't recommend you high praise to keep the show then to say that while I'm watching a WWE show, I'm watching a WWE show that you guys can review.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of my third spots I've finished in this show is really interested to talk about reputation guys, think about that, show I think about and match your spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how highly I place your opinions and respects I have for the opinions that are given around the around the virtual tables.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you guys continue for a lot longer because it's a very valuable source of wrestling chat through everyone who listens.

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[SPEAKER_09]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There it is, episode 400, the voicemails.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I appreciate all of you guys who tuned in.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Even Jay for throwing a little shade at my rankings.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That was pretty funny.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That was hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That was good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, awesome to hear from you.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Again, like you can do a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and, you know, have a fun time talking to the boys, but unless you have people on the chat room, or you have people calling in like that or in the Facebook group, it's like you're talking into a void, you know, for the first couple of years we did the show, we get emails here and there, you know, people on social media.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We didn't have that Facebook group, which was so key to growing the community around this show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And you heard people kind of echo that sentiment as well.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And now when I do the show, I feel like I'm talking not to just these two friends, but like everybody out there, a huge cohort of friends.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And that's what it has made this.

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[SPEAKER_09]: so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And I hope, down the line, we can do another meetup in person.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We did that a double or nothing back in 2022.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It was really fun to meet up with a bunch of the listeners before and after the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And that is something that I have really wanted to do again.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So I hope there's a point where we can all kind of meet up at a restaurant show again in the future.

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[SPEAKER_09]: How the hell did my dad um, I was waiting to watch your reaction to that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but that was pretty awesome when I saw that come in that I just dad called him.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I had a text I'm right away.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Saturday night's main event grade B minus top rope nation listener group in plus audience.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I had those seven stars in case I was going to tear up which I did not.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I noticed that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's all you put those on.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Like, oh, what's he doing there?

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[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, thank you again to everyone who took the time to call in, make me made it all worthwhile.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So, all right, let's end today.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We could talk a little bit about the setup for Blood and Guts, AEW, and any other thoughts we have on the AEW site?

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[SPEAKER_09]: We talked about that collision main event at the top of the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But we've got Blood and Guts coming up in Greensboro, North Carolina on November 12th, so about a week and a half away.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I want to put that up on the screen here so we can talk about it that way.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully this will work.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Give me a second here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, I mean, I thought dynamite overall did a pretty good job in setting this up.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Justin, what's your excitement level for blood and guts in a week and a half?

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[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it all depends on how they're going to execute it.

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[SPEAKER_11]: My hope is that because they're doing a min's and women's, we get an actual for the first time since WCW and actual war games, not these weird,

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[SPEAKER_11]: 40 plus minute events where the entire first half of the matches don't matter at all.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So it means that there's two of them.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I'm really hoping there's just no reason for these matches to go over 25 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So if they can actually execute it that way,

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[SPEAKER_11]: I will be happy.

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[SPEAKER_11]: But I'm still concerned that they will just be overbooked nonsense.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Storyline-wise, point, that's a lot of ladies.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, that's almost the entire women's division in this match.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I kind of wish they would have just kept it to four to keep it a little bit tighter in coherent story.

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[SPEAKER_11]: But it's kind of wait and see, you know, we got a little bit longer for them to add some heat to it.

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[SPEAKER_11]: but, uh, each that that is a lot of red string to kind of put together what is going on in that match.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Uh, the men's is kind of, you know, the death writer's thing's been going for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Obviously, Darby and Orange have a lot of reasons to want this kind of match.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So that that's an easier story to tell.

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[SPEAKER_11]: I'm not too worried.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Everybody in that match knows what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So for me, it's a, it's a wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Let's see what kind of war games we, we actually get.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, how about you, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a little bit disappointed that the women didn't have it solo.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like this maybe could be the year that we don't need it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I suppose it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And despite of the fact that like Darby and Moxley have mutilated each other for months now, I was like, are they going to move on at some point with this?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Darby and Orange Cassidy, if you don't want to put Darby into a world title picture or a title picture after this, I think you might have just found a tag team.

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[SPEAKER_04]: especially after what I just watched on Wednesday night with those two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Great chemistry, I think they would work really well together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The women's blood and guts is marked by injury unfortunately with Penelope before being out for the foreseeable future, which stinks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Marina Schaffier, I've been probably the only advocate to get her in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know that it's been a little while since she has been, she's been doing a lot of work in GCW,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the maturation process is going to be, we're going to see it up close and personal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the women are going to get after it, because a lot of them have a lot of extreme experience in the Anagetai Kanti, they got into that crazy matcha, Willow was involved as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Penelope's like a...

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[SPEAKER_04]: well-known death match, wrestler, I think, Indies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's why another reason it's going to be disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they are going to show out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But last thing, I agree completely with Justin sentiment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to go, let it go, 20 to 25 minutes, true war game structure from yesterday, is opposed to two separate matches that take 40 minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_09]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we've talked about this on the show many times and you can go in our classics archive on Patreon and listen to us review some of the old war games matches, but the best the best war games matches were all under 30 minutes, you know, and 20, 25 minutes, really.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and you know, you get the bloated ones they were doing in NXT where they're 45, 50 minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That is not the model.

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[SPEAKER_09]: The model should be a 25 minute match.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, especially when he got two of them on the same show, I agree with what Jesse said.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I was really hoping it would kind of just be the showcase for the women's rather than doing two of them.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Um, I guess the intrigue for me on the

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[SPEAKER_09]: Are they going to disband and go in a different direction with some of those guys?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Now, I do see some, I thought, you know, Utah and Garcia, they have some potentials of tag team long term.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I could see that, you know, kind of, if the group kind of changes or they take them in a different direction, that could be kind of a building block for the future.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Moxley's going through this thing right now where he's having trouble getting wins and maybe doubting himself a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe the death writers go in a different direction and hell.

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[SPEAKER_09]: If you saw collision, John Moxley never forgets the past.

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[SPEAKER_09]: He was wearing a black pool combat club sweatshirt.

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[SPEAKER_09]: the death writers, they may they never die, even if they do go in a different direction, but I'll be really interested in thinking the aftermath of that one, but I agree, I'm more looking forward to the women to see what they can do in this match, and hopefully that they get the spot light there, and maybe even get the made event slot, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_11]: and the other thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Wrap.

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[SPEAKER_11]: It is interesting to see what the outcome of this, the men's is just because to your point, is this going to be kind of a disintegration or a continuation, which, you know, I've seen a lot of rumors of maybe could pack, step up, and, you know, maybe dethrone, moxley as the leader,

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[SPEAKER_11]: But then also, you know, I still feel like there's some meat on the bone with this.

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[SPEAKER_11]: So, and especially considering, you know, they've been losing with Uda and Garcia losing to Darby and Orange and Mox having frustrations with Kyle O'Reilly, all that kind of, to me, points to a death writer's win here at Blood and Guts.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That'll be interesting, that's the interesting take.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know, I thought it was just gonna go, I'm gonna go with the faces in this instant, and yeah, I can see Maxly being the guy getting thrown out of his own group.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think I've been saying for a while, like Wheeler Yudas should probably be the one that gets kicked out, and maybe him and Daniel Garcia, have a strife, but the story's a little bit bigger if you can,

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[SPEAKER_04]: throw moxley out of the group.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Although he's been doing some really good heal works, so I guess it wouldn't make sense to do that either.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, you could continue with that way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess you could go one side of the other.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You'd be okay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I am going to.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I should have shared it that way.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's a little more visually appealing.

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[SPEAKER_09]: If you guys were watching, I was screaming out the way out.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Like, I don't know if I like this.

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[SPEAKER_09]: But now I can't figure out how to get the video off the screen.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, or the picture off the screen, hold on a second here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Trial and error.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now you know what to do next time.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Well, restream is kind of change the way that this works of late and I don't actually know how to remove that picture.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wait, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I had to I had to remove it because that's something planned for this closing sequence, but all right

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[SPEAKER_09]: Probably a little more heavy on AEW next week on the program you guys.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I've seen from the surveys coming in and the people prefer AEW to WWE, but with Saturday night's main event, we definitely had to have to cover that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I thought on the show today, but I also want to hit those voice males because I knew that was going to be my favorite part of today's show and it was, so thank you everybody who dialed in for that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You guys have any closing comments before we wrap it up because we've got NFL Sunday on the horizon here.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, no, I mean, again, just happy to have you guys in my life, happy to have this podcast in my life.

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[SPEAKER_11]: And all of our, you know, your point that community that we've built, you know, just it's, it rules, yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We still had a person or two every now and then like kind of heightens it for a while and I think we're going to continue to do that in the future.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll try to keep this to 15 to 20 seconds shout out to the boss Ryan Drossie for all of the hard work he's done keeping this going for nine and a half years among every other hat that's that you wear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think if you were to do that executive producer Ryan Drossie thing you should put all the hats underneath it and then

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just kind of visually, me if you're a visual learner, you can see how much you do on a daily basis.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you sleep, so Kudos for keeping this machine running the way that it does and it has not changed over the last nine and some change years.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you, sir.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That means a lot.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I don't sleep well.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Sometimes I do.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Sometimes I crash and yes, Tim checking in 400 episodes of the best damn pro wrestling podcast.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Comment from Jay here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That was, by the way, we didn't have the names on the voicemails, but that was John who did the high-pitched top-rope nation one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was John.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So man, yeah, 400 episodes in the books.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's been wild.

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[SPEAKER_09]: There's more to come.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You guys are the only ones I would stay up late for.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have turned into an absolute like before the sunrise type person now because with my

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[SPEAKER_04]: So sometimes when those classics hit it like 880 and like, oh, man, I got to suck it up the next day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But no, there's nobody I would have else I would have rather do it with in the two of you.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Likewise.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Likewise, sir.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And hey, if you guys want to support what we're doing, again, I said at the top, I just double check the sale is live toprovenation.com.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Go to the merch page.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You're still some merch this week.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'll leave that sale on, turn on all week long until next Sunday's show, 15% off everything on the show.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So Justin, it's been a lot of fun this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Help.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That has to stay.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_11]: There's my front room I went for a toast back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Simonop.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Top Rionation episode four.

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[SPEAKER_09]: You soon.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah for that John.

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[SPEAKER_09]: And we'll be back with you next Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We have classics coming on how we have in 1889 for patrons as well.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We have not scheduled yet.

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[SPEAKER_09]: It's coming in the next week to two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So we will get that booked and I'll become part patrons very soon as well.

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[SPEAKER_09]: So look for that sign up for the Patreon 200 bonus shows.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That's the way to support what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_09]: All right guys, this has been episode 400 of top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_09]: We will talk to you all again, real soon.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Take care everybody, enjoy your week.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Peace.