Did WWE Drop The Ball With Jacob Fatu At Backlash?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Leave me to do it, it is no time!

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[SPEAKER_02]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only one in my eyes.

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[UNKNOWN]: And now I reach you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're achieving everybody, episode 415 of top rope nation, Ryan Drossie, Jesse Velasquez and Justin joint, come and at you on a Monday night, plenty to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't discussed WWE backlash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't even talked about Ted Turner's death last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got AEW to talk about Jesse, how you doing tonight, sir?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing really well in missing the Minnesota wild right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bit disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There up one nothing, midway to the second period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be on some pins and needles well, we're podcasting about professional wrestling and sports entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you got, as Justin's wearing the hat down there, the T-walls, evening up the series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was good to see, two to two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin joined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were just in time to join us for some WWE talk, sir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is going to be a quiet one for me tonight, but I'm doing good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little bummed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is episode four, 15.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it won't give us enough time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But gosh, we should do a Rob Van Dam draft for our four 20th episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, I mean, yeah, man, that would be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to prepare for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be summertime.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then also I haven't I reframed from texting you, but congrats on getting the fourth pick in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that's it's great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're going to be like the morons are still running the show, but that's pretty fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it jumped from nine to four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to be happy about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything I've seen on that NBA draft this year is there's four kind of top guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They should get one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they can get Caleb Wilson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that everything I've seen says Caleb Wilson is probably the guy and how cool would it be to have two stars in Chicago and name Caleb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Major's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you know, we'll we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The bulls got a new executive vice president of basketball operation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, that's the you out of the Atlanta, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Atlanta?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was with the pelicans before that Bryson Graham's his name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Hope Springs Eternal for the Chicago Bulls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take it five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And me, look, he was honest as introductory press conference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, it's going to take some time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be an instant turnaround.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I like to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to take a lot of mal for a couple of years, stockpile the draft picks, take on some bad contracts, whatever you got to do to get all those draft picks, basically the T-wall model, stockpile those draft picks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So for those bad contracts, if you want those, you should trade for Patrick Williams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anyone is dumb enough to take that contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're stuck with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we had the, hey, man, we got the NFL schedule coming out later this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What an exciting time of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chicago Cubs have been right up there with one of the best records in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play the brave starting tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be held a series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've had the two best records the last several days back and forth kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm feeling good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got bears overbears Thursday night, but tonight is pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, we're going to we're going to hit a little backlash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to kind of split the show half and half though because I know a lot of our listening audiences heavily into a W right now as I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a W is

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had cover for bleach report, you know, so I was on that live stream on Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, I know you saw it, so I'll I'll ask you for your grade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think, A through ref?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be minus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was actually a good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was really only one thing that I didn't like on it because I'm not between the ages of five and eleven years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: being like so honest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really enjoyed the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw your star ratings like 25 minutes ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm a little higher than you on that opener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so I didn't see it live because I'd be able to graduation parties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had to go back and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, to be totally honest, I wasn't a little bit of a rush when I saw it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had seen the clips going around online of Seth botching some spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that took away from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if I'd seen it in the moment or seen it before I saw the botches, I might have been a little bit higher on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, watching a live it in like it as much as I thought I, I mean, I went over three stars on it, but I was like three in a quarter on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I honestly, I enjoyed watching the main event and the women's match more than that one personally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to do, you know, I, I, there are some things that I would have been differently on the show for sure to make things more exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in WWE, but I, I think I'd be at like a C plus average to maybe like almost borderline slightly above average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was an okay show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was short.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like less than three hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now if I bought those tickets at that price, I wouldn't have been so happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, getting a less than three hour show spending, take a family of four more than $1,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it was, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Match of the night for me would have been Yosuke and Asuka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a very solid match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say between that and the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with breaker and Rollins being like a notch below.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one positive about the WWE, a big one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Saturday, pay per views of five central.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, you can you help us and do the exact same thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: flipping-tastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We would love you a lot more than we already do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like normally I would have liked to have gone on the air done the podcast that night, but this was one of the rare shows that didn't get to watch lie because of the, you know, I had to go some grad parties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was someone's grad party.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We went to kind of a group with my daughters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's older, but played with them when they were with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm not going to not go to that for WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to stay married, so, you know, I had to go back and watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it just wasn't possible to for us to do the pod that night and then speaking, I'd like to stay married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't going to podcast on Mother's Day yesterday, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the very first chance we had to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to go blow for blow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been 48 hours at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think kind of broader talking points and one of them was Asuka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So some people thought maybe Asuka was leaving the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she had turned down a contract cut or something because all the reports going out there of them asking people to take like 50% less money despite

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[SPEAKER_01]: letting their executives get massive raises.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, God, how can you not root for corporate America just enjoy it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why, I mean, how could you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: being that big of a corporation just maybe with hold that for a little while with how the optics are right now so bad so bad but apparently Oscar's deal is she's just she was kind of written off her break and she's had this scheduled for a while so yeah I mean she's going to be coming back from everything that I understand that so it wasn't really a farewell or anything like that

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was one of the big talking points coming out of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, let me ask you this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Rollins and Breaker match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you, what did you think of the finish in that match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, with the vision coming out at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think now that I'm starting to, yeah, now I was really starting to jog that to memory, wasn't a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just would like to see, I know it's a heel group and all that, so it distracted Seth

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't directly impacting like on the finishing move, but like Seth had the match one, you know, whatever, and then they distract them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know that's like the standard heel finish and pro wrestling, but if you want a brawn breaker to be kind of this unstoppable force, just put them over clean, it's kind of a cowardly way to do it, I think, you know, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seth is not going to lose anything by losing that match clean to breaker without the interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was kind of weak interference but still they brought him out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could have done without that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have probably just had breaker when clean and then have them come out and attack, you know, to be dastardly heals and maybe have stuff kind of fight back from underneath after the finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have done more of a clean finish personally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean chasing Logan Paul up the ramp getting super distracted and then running back to the ring and Brown just wait and form hits him with a couple and then that's the end of it spears of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, I think we'll make more sense through Brown to go over clean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was that trick Williams defeating Sami Zayn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No surprise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean super easy call there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just nothing special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the comments people saying little yaddi is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, doing one of the best WWE celebrity appearances of late, certainly better than Travis Scott, which doesn't take much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a low bar, but he's better celebrity out there than Travis Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also disappointed in my Minnesota Timberwolves for their game for, and I'm sure it's probably been going all year or now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're pre-game introductions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They play Travis Scott's Fiend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard it last night ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've heard it a few thousand times enough, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, well, we're going to lose this game because I just heard this and didn't really did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Jesus, I'm getting way off track here in this Monday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even ask you guys if you're drinking tonight, as I'm sipping my easy Eddie right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the class just hold on a second Justin hold that up again look at that beautiful beautiful rocks glass top prognation classics by the way for our higher tier patrons right now we've got the nomination post up for our next edition of TRN classics so if you want to hear that one and all of them the archive sign up for the patreon link in the description

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Jesse, maybe we'll be doing barely legal finally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, that would be heaven for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably going to be the host nomination, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's if I recall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know last year it took a second and I think it's been up for the running a few times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it might be the year we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will ask you this question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can save it for the end too because we haven't gotten your opinions yet on Xavier Woods and Kofi Kingston being like no to the wild as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to say that for the end you said for Dan a WWE segment we could yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got it definitely got to get it to that So yeah, I mean, I don't want to be think else really to say on the US title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No automatic easy finish to predict the Dan housing stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with the only thing the only thing I'll say on this with Dan housing and mini housing and versus kit Wilson and the miss somehow still drawn that paycheck is

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did say in my Bleacher Report video Friday, I thought it was going to be a CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some people on the internet, but a big name people in the wrestling media saying, oh, they can't do CM Punk because you can't have a CM Punk PLE match unadvertised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I a response to that is why everything's paid for right now, like it's not a paper view, you're not selling more or less buys, you're getting the same amount of money from ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The show in Tampa was essentially sold out, so it doesn't really matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I thought that was an odd argument that I saw out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was like, they're making the same amount of money either way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't the old business model.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would have had no problem if they did see him punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows that foul social media that punk and Dan housing are good friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's white, frankly, it's white, Dan housing has a job there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been totally fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and also it signals to the fans like you got a tune in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to miss because you don't know what surprises could pop up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But having said that, I, uh, many housing upgrade over CM Punk in my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You perform pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, you know, again, you're not, you're not getting a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not expecting a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I said on BR on the preview, I did like there is absolutely less than zero chance kit Wilson in the Miz would win that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we saw Dan Housing in his little buddy go over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... we already talked about eoskeye and oska with eo going over there so the world heavyweight title match with roman defending against jacum five two i said at the top i like to watch the match i had fun watching the match and i guess the broader talking point to me and i said it on the stream when we did the watch along on Saturday night and bleach report i would never in a million years pick roman rains to lose the match

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wouldn't be opposed to it happening if I was booking WWE, I may have even considered doing it just to get people talking on one hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And number two, because Jacob fought to, I feel is like kind of an undeniable star in the making.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why not just go strong with them and put the title on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Romans, a main guy, he's not going to lose anything there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been reports

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the harm in doing it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was, I was actually stunned that they announced this match when they did that this was going to be Romans first, PLE, title defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob Fattu, a guy who we've said now for a couple of years, should be pushed hard towards the main event scene has everything you want in the main eventer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ressels good has the look comes across believable on promos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he gets the shot, he should win in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't be a character like that should not be a guy who comes up short and has to claw his way to the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't be following like the Cody Rhodes baby face, almost got there, got to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and fight back to get that title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, when Jacob Fadhu gets a title match, he needs to win it if you want him to come across as strong as he needs to and should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in my opinion, Justin, I saw you wanted to chime in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess you kind of touched on a little bit, but I did not watch, I was just curious where any seeds planted in the match or post-match that that is the eventual plan that Jacob's gonna be the one take it off Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after the match, he attacked him brutally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something else I don't like, because the attack was the tongue and death grip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so Jacob Fattu,

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[SPEAKER_01]: big guy does one of the best moon salts in the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That should be his finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does a pop-up Simone drop that looks absolutely awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He there is a sequence probably two thirds of the way through the match where he had a pop-up Simone drop immediately of course goes to the moon saw as he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looked phenomenal, the crowd popped huge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have finished it right there and he won the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been electric.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, he didn't, and they go, they're doing this thing now where they gave him the tongue in death grip, and he wears like tape on his fingers, and he like licks his fingers, and he gets his crazy look, and then he locks on the tongue in death grip, which of course doesn't look impressive at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all on the guy taking it to sell it, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after the match, he's doing the tongue in death grip, and they're like bringing out the officials, and he's lost his mind, because he lost, and everyone's got to pull Jacob off, and to make matters more confusing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman won cheating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had rips off the turn-buckle cover and he threw Jacob into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and then he hits the spear and wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then like that's a heel move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it seemed they were trying to get Jacob over as a heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He even did the DX suck it to the crowd twice, late in the match, like he was pissed at the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was just kind of left confused like, who's supposed to be the heel here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they trying to make Jacob into the unstoppable heel than why did Roman win in such a heelish fashion?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took a lot of issues with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The match was fun and I got really into it because I thought

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[SPEAKER_01]: Parsley because we're doing the watch along and you got to get into it, but also I thought it shouldn't Man, maybe they will play Jacob over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that'll get people talking because WWE in my opinion creatively is so stuck in the mud right now And just not doing anything interesting that would have been interesting that would have made me want to tune in holy shit They put the title They had Roman Reigns drop the title after not even a month after WrestleMania who could have seen that coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know like I'd never bet on it

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course they didn't go that direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it would have been exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And got people talking, I would have done it personally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think like Jacob is irredeemable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be ridiculous to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think maybe they dropped the ball a little bit on an opportunity they had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They really make some headlines and do something fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks strong, Jacob Fattu did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think throughout the entire match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel there was any worse for the wear by him losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm the camp, but I think you were too Ryan where why did was the match booked in the first place this is way too rush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This should have been something you should have saved for SummerSlam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Fatu, I mean, he looked the party, looked the part of WrestleMania when he beat Drew McIntyre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked the part for nearly two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done their best to semi-sabotage him with the solosacosed stuff at Summerslam last year and then going back to him before this Roman match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Jacob's above that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and the crowd was very receptive of them, too, which is pretty telling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is almost a heat check, if you will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do that from time to time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just really refreshing to see far too breaker and trick Williams all on this card and doing extremely good things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's new audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, new performers for your audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go adjust.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, actually, along those lines, I kind of had a big,

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[SPEAKER_03]: big picture question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to ask you guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so rank these guys in order from, you know, obviously talked about them for the future of WWE, Obi, Brownbreaker, Jacob Vattu, and trick Williams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here at a downside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't forget anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obi, trick Williams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think I don't mind right away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I go, I think Oba is number one, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'd probably go Jacob, then Brown, then trick personally, about you, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of how I perceive it or how the audience would perceive it, more as to if you had to guess

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[SPEAKER_03]: going forward or like in five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I would only interchange a couple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would go over one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bron two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fat two three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trick Williams four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty similar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: in my apologies for calling Oba Obe all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been watching Star Wars with my kids for the first time a lot lately.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've got Star Wars on the mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be hilarious if you called him Obo one can Obe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've also been doing that with my kids, Justin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you got him to start.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We just suffered through a fan of menace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're watching them in the order that came out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, release six, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was a big proponent of like the hatched method where you go four, five, and then one, two, three, and then back to six, but like just after watching the original trilogy, it's like, I don't want to watch fucking pre-calls before I watch return to the Jedi.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm what we're watching them chronologically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just, as far as the story goes, just in order, one through nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ultimately just figured for the kids that'd be the easiest to follow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're kind of missing out on some shock moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, there's some other shock moments you get, although I would take,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of umbridge with Disney plus in their description of episode 3 on the freaking app because my kids didn't know what becomes of Anakin because we're watching him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in episode 3, when you go to the page, it says Anakin's call, Skywalker becomes Darth Vader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How did that get through?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why would you do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know most people know it, but you might be watching it in timeline order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just a stupid thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My kids were like, wait, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, maybe there's a different Anakin Skywalker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's a clone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Try to throw them off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were so kind of fun though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was getting so excited because, you know, we watched New Hope first, and, you know, Vader pops up and throughout the entire movie, Kit didn't say a thing about, you know, Vader being Luke Stad spoiler alert for everybody listening out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then we threw in Empire the next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't say a thing, the entire movie, until five minutes

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dad, is this where he tells him he's his dad?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh, son of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you know that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He said kids talk at school.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was so bummed out, but he's still liked him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would have been the big reason for me to watch those first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get that shock moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, I just felt like, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I thought watching him in just timeline order would be least confusing for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I could have said, I was going back and forth on how to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to compare notes when we get done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, the other point I was going to make on Jacob Roman here's how I would have pitched it in the writers room maybe if if they said well then what do you do if you put Jacob over then what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well Roman's got this absence coming up and again like I don't really know where they're going heal face it or you confuse with that Jesse it seemed like Jacob

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[SPEAKER_01]: like they wanted to look heel at the end, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then Roman won in a heel way too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really know what they're going for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is extremely similar to Cody in Randy Orton from WrestleMania 42.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah, you could see that Cody was doing some heel things in Randy ended up doing heelish things at the end to try to get his heat back when in reality the crowd was rooting for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's identical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they would have got approached it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would have if you want Jacob to be this big time heal at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have done that, still hadn't just smoked Roman, I would have had him beat him less in 10 minutes and I would have done the post match attack, all that, put him over really strong right off Roman for, I don't know, I'm up in a half or so, it's just until the build up to SummerSlam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I would have just, it's been done before, but I would have built up Roman and some vignettes, have him trained in for the match, kind of like flavors of summer slam 02, send him to Georgia Tech, have him trained at the old football facility where he went to college, Rome was trying to get like the eye of the tiger back, you know, like that kind of thing or whatever,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just build it and build it until they have the rematch at Summerslam and it's just a freaking gigantic match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Roman's first match back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't give away a match before then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all mostly vignettes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep them off TV so people are hyped to see them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then like in the interim Jacob is just destroying dudes, you know, and it's can Roman come back and overcome this monster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that's the way you do it if you want to give this match away so early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still stunned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did it right away and he might end up taking his title off of them in the next month, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought booking wise, I was very surprised that this is the direction that they went.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I 100% agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's throw this hypothetical in there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Suppose you do give Jacob Fattu the championship and let him run it for three months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you almost do something they're doing with Darby right now and have him defend it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not even weekly, but like biweekly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, just I a lot of TV, quick matches, put him over strong, make his finish, the moon salt and not the duck and the crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he can be in his arsenal, but it just, it feels like you're kneecapping a guy who's so agile and athletic for his size to give him that move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they mentioned numerous times during the match, you know, the lineage in Umaga

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just they're playing into the stereotype.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, he's got to do the tongue and death group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be Haku.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let him be different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let him hit that big moon salt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Most guys of that size can't wrestle like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes him stand out to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really understand the character shift in his finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess for them, they're probably thinking the submission is the way to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get him over as this like heal that they can't contain and people got to put pull him off on the whole it's just that whole doesn't look particularly painful it's just it just doesn't it's always been kind of a silly move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman made it look okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt when he had the tail on his neck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You sold it well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's like it's on the guy selling it to make it look physically for a guy the size of Jacob.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just got your hand on the side of his throat, you know, like it's not going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't look particularly physically impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is something new too, because they have been going to that moon salt for a while, just yeah, why ruin it when it's already over with the crowd and he executes it so

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I did not get that anyways that let's kind of my talking points on this unless you got anything else on backlash You want to talk about there's a there's one more that's kind of big we can make Justin pop a little bit to John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, don't the John Cena reveal The John Cena classic

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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually, they're going to have a John C and a championship, which will be determined, not by wins and losses in the John C and a classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But by a fan vote, you could lose every match in the tournament, but still become the John C and a champion if you win that fan vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE's American Idol, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know what to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, call me old school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think winds and losses should matter in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You guys the the WWE John Cena classic participation award championship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to dig into some more in the last half hour hours since we've been on the air or since bra hit the air as well and I don't see anything new coming with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they left it very, you have to very vague, I felt, just the whole, yeah, like somebody can win the match, but you, the fans can determine if that other person like shows the determination and the, the hustle and the respect of you and

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can that person can be voted the champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you immediately lost me there, but there just needs to be more context added.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So on a scale of one to 10, I still rank it at two and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still pretty bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like John Cena's theory, though, to actually put like NXT people in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: given some new faces, and he admitted that it worked with a soul in Oben, and not trick, who was the other one that was in the Saturday night's main event, Giovanna Evans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it worked with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I just laughed at, of course, some of the studios that immediately thought that this is one of the greatest things in sliced bread.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the predictable people out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the new day release.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hit on that before transition to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Coffee and Xavier Woods, they're out of there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Surprise, Justin?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That WWE released people?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or whatever the situation was, if they were asked to take a pay cut and they refuse, which kudos to them, unlike apparently other people in the company, know your worth, know your value.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are definitely past their prime.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I almost more than anybody else that's been released or walked away from WWE, I would love to see them in a w. Obviously, they have a strong relationship with people there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But for one, I'm curious to see them work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: in ring at a w just to see what they actually got in the ring right now, especially Xavier or Austin Creed, I suppose now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But also, I mean, just why not, you know, solidify the tag team division.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I put the new day out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the other aspect of it is, you know, obviously in a w, the wrestlers have more creative freedom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think when the new day really started popping off,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Think a lot of that was their own stuff, their own ideas that was getting them over, the unicorn horns and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, just letting them really fly free is something I'm very curious to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna totally wear my shirt and forgot to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the unicorn one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My son absolutely loves it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where mine is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as I said on upload, I'm not indifferent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm disappointed in the WWE for how they treated him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: almost like sports-esque where you sign them to a five-year deal here and you ask them to restructure they say no you release them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very NFL-esque to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't don't appreciate that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially with the goodwill that they put in there, from what I've been told phenomenal human beings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what also really draws me to them as well as Big E. So I'm disappointed at Big E stuck there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with a W, yes, I would like to see them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see them for a couple of years, just show what they can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to be a gigantic part of the show, and they don't really need to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, as long as they, I guess, quote unquote, know their role, which they definitely will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see why they wouldn't type.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they're going to do just fine wherever they land, but a W seems like a great spot for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that tag division, which as I mentioned, it needs some help, but it also needs those younger teams, I think, to come with them too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think we can all agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'd rather see New Day get those tag titles before Edge and Christian, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it feels like a lock that they would go there and work all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know people are like, oh, you can't sign all these WWE cast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a little different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these are some guys who've been some big time stars and it's important to the wrestling world for quite a long time, coffee, you know, former World Champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm, I'd be curious to see what they could do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you start off obviously with them as a tag team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you maybe maybe give Kofi one more singles run, you know, we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, everyone was pissed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never got, you know, to get that return match against Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and does he get another chance to make a run towards a world title?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least get a world title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one time I think there's some money in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm curious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know, this isn't like with Champa where

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[SPEAKER_03]: We weren't really sure what he had left in the ring just because he'd been kind of, you know, left to the sidelines in WWE, he hadn't done anything interesting in years with the new day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of more about eyeballs and popularity and what they could bring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I legit think that there are WWE fans who, if they're not watching a W, they hear the new day popped up over there, they would probably go check it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: mind seeing Austin Creed get a little bit of a run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He because he didn't really get much in the WWE, whose consequences Creed I think in T&A and people kind of hyped them up when he came in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just really didn't get to showcase it much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, and I could be off base, I think he has a little bit more charisma than Kofi does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, definitely more sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, you know what else, he's really, he has a large following in the video game community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was an area where a, you know, they released a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had fun with it, just didn't have a lot of legs to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they want to go back to the video game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot of talk behind the scenes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just updating the game they already have, you know, putting out a totally new game, but I mean, he's a guy who they could benefit just having in those video game discussions quite honestly Just another avenue for him to contribute to the company, but I agree he's a really charismatic guy didn't get a ton of opportunities in WWE other than, you know, doing funny stuff outside the ring

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, I think coming in is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I'm, I'm in and I want to see them sign them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be stunned if they didn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if this is true, but it's a real bummer if WWE owns up up, down, down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That, that Xavier can't take that with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: could look up the trademark if I was fast enough with my hands here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he'll bring the audience, irregardless, or at least a portion of that audience, but just having to kind of restart with a new name would be a real shame for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he gets to reunite with his boys, you know, Claudio and Adam Cole.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's Tyler Breeze up to these days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't he the other, the other, the other force

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did an indie data to the last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hide honestly don't know where he's gone from or gone to after that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For some reason, I thought he was associated with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like a coach or something, but I'm not going to be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he does work down there as a coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds right to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I feel like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was looking up, up, down, down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's an up, up, down, down games, which is not owned by WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's trademarked like the, I think of that YouTube channel start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I might be able to tell from that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I'd heard or read that somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was a WWE sponsored thing, or, you know, because there was that thing a while back where they kind of stripped all the wrestlers of their Twitch streams or that they'd had to be associated with them, have their own personal ones,

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[SPEAKER_03]: assholes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, his earliest videos were like 10 years ago, and I mean, they don't have the WWE logo on it, but I mean, either way, it's possible he signed it over to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, so in order to do it, he probably did have to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his last video was a month ago, so I mean, all the new stuff has a 10 to WWE influence you can tell, so

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure, but I mean, he could, yeah, this channel's like 2 million plus followers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could start a new channel and probably get it going pretty fast, though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, in the other part, it's like, it's kind of a no-brainer slam dunk that you want to bring them over to AWS.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe the timing with the 90 day no-compete clause, that's right around all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You could almost debut in there at the first match at all out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it just kind of works perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for transition right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my AW viewing, I've seen the big stuff over the last week or so, but with all the stuff going on, I haven't been able to watch the full editions of Dynamite collision the last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the main event at Fairway to Hell, which was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Love this setup in that golf stadium down there in Palm Beach, should it get us Florida?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, thought the Ted Turner trip you was a nice touch and dynamite saw the Kevin night Derby match Justin I mean, just give us your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's run through your head on a W right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, the the fair way to hell.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really dug it as like a visually different presentation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've out the mean Derby pack was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those things, just like I love that they mix it up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Every once in a while, where's this like every show doesn't look the exact same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, where was it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're nitro would run, where that kind of was like, almost on a beach or they had the one where Kevin Nash jumped into the water.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Daytona Daytona.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it visually, the nitro, like the spring break ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, panel acidity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Panel acid, yeah, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: breaks up the show a little bit, brings a little bit of light or energy to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want that every week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want them running golf places all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, every once in a while, I think it's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And holy shit, this Derby reign.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, like today I was thinking about like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: How can we really think about this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't even know what my favorite match is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this dude is just breaking himself into a million pieces for our entertainment, and it looks like it's leading to a championship versus a hair match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess MJF had double or nothing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't been announced yet, but obviously they teased it this past weekend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gosh, I'm totally into it and I think this Darby rain has been a total win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I I wrong person to ask because I don't pay attention to viewerships.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird because I heard like tickets went up for the Fairfax Virginia show with Brody King and Darby and then oddly it dropped with Kevin Knight and Darby.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the extent of my knowledge to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: a total win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I can't miss television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the ratings have gone pear-shaped because Nielsen has come up with some weird thing now because SmackDown's ratings have dropped TNAs, ratings have dropped and so of a W's in this coincides with Darby's title reign and you can't put the blame on him if that's going to continue to write.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I have two schools of thought on Darby Allen right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, he's putting on fantastic matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: all of them have been amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I zero arguments there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cool thing is these are former C2 opponents that he's wrestled in the classics the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hadn't connected that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean Kevin night of course was the guy that he lost to and was injured by or I think he was injured in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he was in a commentary with the nights move the the vanturnator off the top and he hits the frog splash after.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, man, he's been doing phenomenal in that aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna disappoint you a little bit here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't feel like a world champion to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's don't feel like world title matches to me at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, for whatever reason, I have, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I can't pinpoint it whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In spite of the fact, like I said, he's been the best thing in the ring on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, by far, the last three weeks, ever since he's gotten a title, it just doesn't feel like a world title rain in me at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it because we assume it's gonna be a short rain?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're just kind of waiting for him to drop it back to MJF or...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think his opponents, like, here's the example, I was psyched to see Ocada coming up this Wednesday and then to find out he's going home,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Takeshita is going to wrestle Darby instead, which again, it's a phenomenal one be option to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't look like Darby's going to lose this championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There, the only moment that you could have bought was Kevin Knight's fan Terminator into that into that frog splash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, that was, there's got a shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a crowd bit on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt was phenomenal too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pack same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh man, that was my highly of the weekend there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby dropped kicking pack into the bunker and him doing a shooting star into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just the sand flying up like that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm enjoying it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think part of it might be the short rain and the other part of it is, I think the guys that he's wrestling are the high end of the mid-carts, so it isn't believable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was like, oh, Kata, oh, baby, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there, you can cast a little bit of doubt here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't go so far as to say it doesn't feel like a world champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It still feels like a short-term thing to me, but everything has been so must see that I just, I personally can't say it doesn't feel like a world champion because he feels like the most important thing on the show to me right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in that way, definitely does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like nobody, he's wrestled really felt like a threat to take the title off of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then again, you know, that's true for any.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just a little bit of a challenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He usually don't have like two horses going at it where you think, oh, my god, the tie was going to change hands any week now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I mean, I think that's pretty, that's pretty standard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the greater discussion is what's going to happen in this mjf match because I don't know what Max has for movie roles coming up, but obviously Hair might play into that a little bit

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's hard to imagine him shaving his head just given all into Hollywood, you know, he's gotten possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel like he's going to win it back and and Darby's basically his body's going to give out will be the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, this has been like I said, I have had a hard time watching everything last couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been really busy with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: work right now and you know some stuff with football ramping up again on the other side hustle I have but I always make sure to check check out the Derby match it's just been must see so I haven't missed any of those

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's he's hitting out the park man so I've enjoyed it in that way and it's by the way with the rating stuff too I got to say I regardless of Neil's in changing their formulas and all of that I stop paying attention to AEW ratings reports a long time ago because once they started streaming on max and we got no figures for that it's hard for me to put any stock

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they're drawn 600,000, one week or 500,000, how many people are watching a max?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all the matters to me because I still think they're probably doing some of their highest viewership that they've done in years when you factor in max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Regardless of what the, you know, the cable ratings say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard, it's really hard for me to put any stock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I'm someone who has written

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably hundreds of TV ratings are close for the wrestling media over the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even hardly pay attention to it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's important for advertisers with the demo ratings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the overall viewership stuff is just, if you don't have the max numbers, it's just too hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't read much into it in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The very strong case, I feel, is seeing a couple of times, they hit 700,000, like a month and a half ago, you're like, oh my gosh, even with the Max viewers on top of it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a way for, at some point in time for these Max numbers to be released?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember hearing from a friend that knows somebody there, who's in the wrestling world, that people that he knows there don't even know what,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the come at one of the brothers discovery and they don't even know what the numbers are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know who actually knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you'll hear stuff on Netflix for WWE, but these seem to be completely secretive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no idea if we'll ever find it out, if they'll be able to like go into the backlog and find out the numbers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, people I know who would know these things have been told like nobody year knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just nobody knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the two other telltale signs that things are going really well are papers you guys have pretty much stayed the state consistent from the get go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like right in that 130 to 140 range, I think that's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other thing is look at their attendances for their pay reviews too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The double or nothing card's going to get probably close to 14,000 in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So hey, yeah, those metrics are there in an argument can be made that they haven't even announced the big matches for that show yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Double or nothing that is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't we don't know the world title match we do but we don't and then what is Osprey going to be doing what is Moxley going to be doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think they've only officially announced four matches and yeah, that that things almost sold out On our guy Frank's going to be there sounds like yeah So I'll be some TRN faithful there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was trying to pull up the paper view by numbers because I know Revolution had done their highest buys since all in last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the dynasty number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it around 150, 160 for revolution?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think revolution was a little bit over 140 this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going off a memory, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think dinosaur BIP people were hinting it could have been around 150, but I don't have a, oh, yeah, I'm paranoid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, it says world's end had 143,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they said that dinosaur probably surpassed that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not seeing an updated listing least where I'm looking right now in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, they said revolution for that had done better than all in 25, which apparently did around 180.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that correct?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, their highest ever I believe was all out 21.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Paul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was 210.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something around those those lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, yes, 2015.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what the true number there is, but I'll all in 23 to 200,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have all out 25 at 1.37, all in last summer at 1.82, but that's their last update.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always trust Russell Nomics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're reporting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall what the observer had off the top of my head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd had to look into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, hopefully in the weeks ahead, we can get some of these numbers sorted out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll try to make a document so we can keep track of them, at least for our host to reference here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing really well right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, yeah, it's very encouraging to see in, like I said, like, Darby, keep up all these performances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, man, it's great to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and continue to run these unique venues because it's it's just super cool to see something totally unique like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Holy crap, that bump he took off that second level through the tables.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely insane, this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, yeah, coming out of that entranceway over by the golf simulator with a big screen and just, yeah, obviously, like, having the same trap there and the green and I mean, I've never seen anything like that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Super cool stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I feel like happy Gilmore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the shooter McGavin account on Twitter, tweet about the whole, hold on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys talk, I pull it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Any other thoughts on it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have you, while I pull this up, this is funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jessie, have you been able to follow this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I don't know if you watch collision, but have you been able to follow the, will

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have been it has been confusing for you like apparently unless you know if you only watch dynamite you don't understand what's going on

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm clearly 100% 100% clear as day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's wrestling ace Austin on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm psyched to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually pissed off at him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be too angry at Will Osprey, but his only appearance that he hasn't made on his tours since he's come back was the same Paul Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Will.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And for the record, I have of course was not taking shots at you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was taking shots at Brian Alvarez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get that either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, Brian had the comments too that I referenced earlier about all you can't do a punk match unadvertised on a P.O.E.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know his him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he's talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter what the business model right now at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the sunset flip bomb into the sand trap and the shooter McGaven Twitter account.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I supposed to chip with that going on, Doug?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to both of you, what's over there now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Saw that over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the host of the involves the indoor golf league that Tiger and Rory ran That's great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do that maybe once a year once every 18 months is kind of looking in just scenery I saw somebody mentioned like when Nitro opened up at the Mall of America just for the heck of it Yeah, do one of those out of the box events every now and then yeah kudos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's great stuff

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you give free WWE to run a collision at the Mall of America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell, even a dynamite, it'd be pretty unique.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're not gonna sell as many tickets, but, not cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe just even film a match there or something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How's things first to have?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do a show it first to have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Be cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roy Wilkins looks pretty cool on TV when they run up there, but hopefully they run the Twin Cities a little more than they have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take him a long time to get back there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a year to the day was March March and 25 and 26.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and before that, wasn't I like quake at the lake or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't it go like two years or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to that one, but there was the one in November of 23, the first C2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to see it was Swerven, J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: White in the main event of that, and that's actually by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see Eric in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I found him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a sign in the side of the ramp saying, watch or listen to the corner podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd love it if they're popularity picked up enough if they're going to run the target center because full year, 21, it's still one of my favorite weekends of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'd love to have that happen again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the great entrances of all time with Hangman on the horse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, hey, so, ooh, did you see this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even announce for the first rest link show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Justin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we go up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, is that father's day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that their father's day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's the day before, count me in if it's father's day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What does that fall?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: June 21st is a Sunday, so yeah, that's got it is Father's Day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, first on the ditch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, first wrestling, that's not going to be possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't bring my son to see Eddie Kingston at first wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, not yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't really have anything else for the good of the cause unless you guys do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have one just to go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just going to say like I don't have any deep thoughts, but did we want to touch on Ted Turner?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I saw people a lot of people out there that were trying to make the argument, like that he did more for professional wrestling, the Vince McMahon, and I don't agree with that, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he did, I mean, he's right below him, you know, that for one, just putting it on his television, national television, even, you know, he had WBF on there and eventually had to switch that up, but just the risky took when I think a lot of the people around him wanted nothing to do with professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I applaud him, you know, like I know he's he's a giant, you know, multi-millionaire CEO and probably didn't do all the greatest of things, but I appreciate at the very least what he did for wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He frustrated the hell out of Vince McMahon, so for that, we honor you Ted, no, I mean, he brought, it wasn't the first time wrestling had been on national television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, go back to the early days of TV and

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1940s and 50s and like the Dumont network had wrestling on for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the main channels in the early days of TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in the cable era, you know, having Georgia championship wrestling and and bringing wrestling to a national television audience was a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, continuing to fund that wrestling organization when they were losing money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now, there are people wanted to cut it, but I mean, like Sting said on Dynamite, it's a true story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never, as long as he was in power, he was never going to let wrestling get cut on his networks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was a huge ally to the wrestling business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw value in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he helped create a lot of jobs for a lot of people, whether it was the wrestlers that people were in production and behind the scenes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no question WCW was special to him and he has a unique spot in the history of the wrestling business for what he did, you know, during the mostly the 80s and the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, he's not as important as Vince McMahon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he might be right there right after that, you know, at least in our lifetimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No question about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in a lot of ways, he was the opposite of his thick man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of the ways he approached life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just leave it at that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, politics and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He really was and I have a client who's really informed and was telling me some of the good stuff that Ted Turner did when he brought the cable networks the first ever 24 hour new cycle to one of his networks and how it was pretty much for everybody because back then the news was only shown at specific times of the like the five o'clock news the 10 o'clock news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: five to six channels and Ted wanted 24-hour world news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted the people to be informed about the world There's a couple other things that I don't remember, but I was just like, okay He seems like he was a decent guy in spite of the fact that Justin said he's a he's a billionaire So there's probably some shady stuff he was doing that we don't know about

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gave away a ton of money, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gave a billion dollars away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw this the other day, when his net worth was two billion, which is pretty insane, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, let's see, when was this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he pledged a billion dollars to the United Nations and the UN Foundation in 1997, to support humanitarian environmental and health causes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a clip of this on a student news program I showed the other day and they were talking about how they showed him talking about it and he was like, well, you know, I got more than a billion left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like basically or along those lines but like when do you hear about these billionaires given away a billion dollars especially when it was almost 50% of his net value you know people just he's different he other he was different than other billionaires I'll say that yeah I mean I know he was big into the preservation of Buffalo's he played a big part in that yeah which he was credited as like helping save them from extinct like you

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[SPEAKER_03]: You would have, I don't know, I guess maybe you shouldn't assume that like, he did that in some way to make money, but I don't know if I totally believe that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's like any time I hear about a billionaire who's actually interested in the environment, like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely going to give them a little bit more leniency than I would any other billionaire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when he gave the $1 billion to the UN, it was set to the time as the biggest individual charitable gift in history, which I can believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty, it's pretty outstanding stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, man.

01:00:03.167 --> 01:00:05.350
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I mean, there's other stuff here.

01:00:05.370 --> 01:00:11.440
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think you might even don't want to think my gift billion dollars away again later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's

01:00:13.508 --> 01:00:36.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there's things obviously to admire about the guy we could say that and so yeah we we appreciate certainly as as a wrestling podcast what he did for pro wrestling and you know he was willing to write those checks to make a difference for the company in the mid 90s and Speaking of that have you guys seen the whole coconut flicks documentary

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have watched bits and pieces.

01:00:40.988 --> 01:00:45.995
[SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, I've only been able to stomach it and kind of short bursts.

01:00:46.015 --> 01:00:48.758
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the first episode.

01:00:48.798 --> 01:00:54.786
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been entrenched with Minnesota sports playoffs right now every other night, wrecking my sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the whole thing.

01:00:59.071 --> 01:01:01.615
[SPEAKER_01]: There's stuff to like about it, nostalgia wise.

01:01:01.635 --> 01:01:04.018
[SPEAKER_01]: And like some of the footage is definitely cool.

01:01:04.919 --> 01:01:06.541
[SPEAKER_01]: Hulk was Hulk right up till the end though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of lies.

01:01:08.302 --> 01:01:12.046
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of lies in it as you imagine, especially kind of on the later stuff.

01:01:12.887 --> 01:01:15.189
[SPEAKER_01]: Brett was great in it in the little bit that he was in there.

01:01:16.891 --> 01:01:23.558
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really annoyed, like I was glad they touched on this stuff with him endorsing Trump.

01:01:23.659 --> 01:01:28.684
[SPEAKER_03]: They spent a lot of time on that and how it kind of cut his fan base in half.

01:01:29.765 --> 01:01:37.954
[SPEAKER_03]: But Jesus Christ, they tried to make it sound like that was the reason

01:01:38.525 --> 01:01:45.376
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it actually, in just today, I saw like, and I didn't realize this from the little bit I watched was, they basically cut Brooke out of it.

01:01:45.997 --> 01:01:47.539
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she's not in it at all.

01:01:48.261 --> 01:01:53.709
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess she said in a radio interview that she had requested to be removed from his will.

01:01:53.729 --> 01:02:01.562
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, there's just, it just feels like they didn't scratch the surface from what I saw of it.

01:02:03.331 --> 01:02:06.861
[SPEAKER_01]: The home video stuff that Linda kept is pretty cool.

01:02:07.784 --> 01:02:09.008
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really cool to see.

01:02:09.028 --> 01:02:11.395
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed all of that.

01:02:12.137 --> 01:02:12.919
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:02:13.287 --> 01:02:28.911
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as I was watching, I kept thinking about the show that we did when he passed away last summer, like the day of and how that was such a hard show to do, because I was trying to stay very balanced, like I didn't want to just trash the guy, he just passed away.

01:02:28.931 --> 01:02:39.227
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about his importance to wrestling, which is undeniable, and I think looking back, we did a pretty good job of this thing, pretty fair and balanced, because there's things

01:02:39.207 --> 01:02:47.562
[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks when you grow up admiring somebody and liking him as a little kid like we did and then, you know, if I know who the real guy is and it's always disappointing.

01:02:47.582 --> 01:02:52.131
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, obviously, he's one of the most important people in the history of professional wrestling.

01:02:52.491 --> 01:02:53.473
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way around it.

01:02:53.493 --> 01:02:59.865
[SPEAKER_01]: There's stuff in the documentary, he's just flat, I'm not true, though, like you were saying about

01:03:00.318 --> 01:03:10.023
[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike, when he talks about getting booed on raw, he says it's because L.A. is a blue city, and it's in a blue state, and that's why I think that's total bullshit.

01:03:10.163 --> 01:03:15.677
[SPEAKER_01]: He got booed out of the building at WrestleMania 37 in Florida, a red state.

01:03:15.657 --> 01:03:20.750
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because of the racism stuff that he never truly walked back how he should have.

01:03:21.793 --> 01:03:25.562
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Undertaker is very mega and he doesn't get booed by the crowd.

01:03:26.104 --> 01:03:31.658
[SPEAKER_01]: It's now I know, take your, you know, he didn't do the big keen, not keen, but huge speech at the RNC.

01:03:31.925 --> 01:03:34.589
[SPEAKER_01]: But like still, there's a difference there.

01:03:34.609 --> 01:03:41.279
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people, even as divisive as politics is in the wrestling arena, we'll overlook that stuff.

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.325
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't with him because of the racism stuff.

01:03:45.345 --> 01:03:48.230
[SPEAKER_01]: That it was more about that than the politics with him getting booed.

01:03:48.250 --> 01:03:52.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Now definitely didn't help matters, but it wasn't the biggest reason.

01:03:52.055 --> 01:03:53.317
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just not true.

01:03:53.658 --> 01:03:55.421
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of laughed when he said that on the show.

01:03:55.441 --> 01:03:58.405
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I'm gonna be in Hogan right till the end.

01:03:58.385 --> 01:03:58.726
[SPEAKER_01]: you know.

01:03:59.167 --> 01:04:01.292
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sucks that his legacy became what it did.

01:04:01.332 --> 01:04:03.538
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much so big-time socks.

01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:12.580
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, for people our age, I would say like 80% is like he's the reason why we started watching, you know.

01:04:13.640 --> 01:04:16.964
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, no, no matter what we will say, yeah, sorry to cut you off.

01:04:16.984 --> 01:04:17.285
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

01:04:17.745 --> 01:04:18.646
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, you go.

01:04:19.227 --> 01:04:24.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I put some tweets out there in our Twitter when I was watching it about, oh, you know, being hugged into the very end.

01:04:24.213 --> 01:04:26.977
[SPEAKER_01]: And some people were responding, oh, you wouldn't watch wrestling without him.

01:04:27.057 --> 01:04:32.924
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you have the tools to who act like wrestling wouldn't exist without him, which is just not true at all.

01:04:32.944 --> 01:04:37.770
[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't deny that he's a big reason we watch for a wrestling.

01:04:37.790 --> 01:04:39.833
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never done eye that at all.

01:04:39.931 --> 01:04:40.412
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

01:04:40.733 --> 01:04:49.089
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would never deny that when I was a little kid seeing Hulk Hogan freaking everything and all the endorsements and all that, absolutely drew me in.

01:04:49.570 --> 01:04:50.632
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no question about that.

01:04:50.653 --> 01:04:52.356
[SPEAKER_01]: I would never say, say otherwise.

01:04:52.416 --> 01:04:58.348
[SPEAKER_01]: So people always play that gacha, you know, if you criticize them now, it's like, no, I agree with you.

01:04:58.528 --> 01:05:00.893
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna argue with you on that point at all.

01:05:00.873 --> 01:05:05.337
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't know, like if you're a hardcore wrestling fan, you're not going to learn much from it.

01:05:05.557 --> 01:05:07.379
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the footage is just kind of cool to see.

01:05:07.399 --> 01:05:09.260
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't hate that I watched it.

01:05:09.701 --> 01:05:18.769
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a must see thing though by any means, um, but, you know, if you have extra time in your curious, I wouldn't like try to persuade someone away from watching it.

01:05:18.909 --> 01:05:30.019
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you're a, if you're a smart wrestling fan, you'll like it, but you'll be able to watch it with a critical eye and and be fine with it, probably, but.

01:05:30.202 --> 01:05:36.676
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also here and I said Meltzer tweeting about this new documentary on the Von Erix on A&E.

01:05:36.716 --> 01:05:39.041
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to watch this too apparently it's really really good.

01:05:39.261 --> 01:05:40.484
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I haven't even heard about this.

01:05:40.744 --> 01:05:40.985
[SPEAKER_03]: Neither.

01:05:41.025 --> 01:05:43.570
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's um.

01:05:44.984 --> 01:05:48.149
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's it I'm pretty sure it's part of the WWE deal.

01:05:49.030 --> 01:05:51.273
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a few hours long.

01:05:51.353 --> 01:05:55.900
[SPEAKER_01]: He said it was even better than heroes of world class, which is like an all-time documentary.

01:05:57.422 --> 01:05:59.806
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's there's multiple parts to it.

01:06:00.186 --> 01:06:02.810
[SPEAKER_01]: The cursor of the Von Aerex is part one.

01:06:04.132 --> 01:06:08.258
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's a two part two part documentary.

01:06:08.278 --> 01:06:10.722
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like for what I'm seeing on IMDB.

01:06:12.473 --> 01:06:15.457
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I may have to start that tonight, actually.

01:06:16.118 --> 01:06:17.880
[SPEAKER_01]: I got time after I edit this podcast.

01:06:19.502 --> 01:06:25.510
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to see what the runtime was, because I know it's definitely... Did that be on Hulu?

01:06:27.313 --> 01:06:28.254
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be.

01:06:28.274 --> 01:06:39.088
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the curse of the Von Aerex part one has like an 8.2 rating right now on IMDB and part two has a 8.7 rating.

01:06:40.857 --> 01:06:42.539
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to get some high praise.

01:06:42.579 --> 01:06:45.363
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the ton of reviews yet, I assume this is the one he was talking about.

01:06:45.423 --> 01:06:47.665
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing all this off the cuff right now you guys.

01:06:47.726 --> 01:06:56.737
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, yeah, that just released April 26 as part one came out and part two must have just come out.

01:06:56.917 --> 01:06:58.098
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing the next week.

01:06:58.319 --> 01:06:58.940
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, May 3rd.

01:07:00.081 --> 01:07:03.886
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no runtime here on IMDB for some reason.

01:07:04.026 --> 01:07:10.594
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not that I'm seeing.

01:07:11.857 --> 01:07:12.398
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll check it out.

01:07:12.438 --> 01:07:14.740
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get back to you, whether it thoughts on that, when we finally see it.

01:07:17.563 --> 01:07:18.123
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright.

01:07:18.604 --> 01:07:22.768
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was cool to see Hogan's AEW A stuff, because I could, yeah, being from here.

01:07:22.888 --> 01:07:25.670
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did get really big towards the end in 83.

01:07:25.951 --> 01:07:28.353
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could go on about that.

01:07:28.473 --> 01:07:31.616
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be gave him the title twice and gave it right back to back.

01:07:31.636 --> 01:07:32.657
[SPEAKER_00]: Winkle in a couple of days.

01:07:32.717 --> 01:07:34.859
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when Vince offered the money and he took off.

01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:40.493 --> 01:07:44.226
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hour and twenty five minutes part one is an hour and twenty five minutes without commercial.

01:07:44.306 --> 01:07:46.413
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think the whole thing's probably about three hours long.

01:07:46.694 --> 01:07:47.155
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

01:07:48.379 --> 01:07:48.961
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:07:48.982 --> 01:07:51.229
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