Hulk Hogan's Shocking Death (and Complex Legacy)

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[SPEAKER_03]: Leave me to do it!

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[UNKNOWN]: It is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_03]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better the will be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're back here in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only one in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now I reach you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is up, everybody?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is Thursday, July, twenty-fourth episode, three, ninety of top rope nation, Ryan Drosty here with you today with a special guest co-host Justin was not available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse was not available today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were not planning on doing a show today, but with today's breaking news about the death of Hulk Hogan, it was kind of mandatory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We do a show and kind of been sitting around all morning thinking about it, kind of lots of thoughts running through my mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What am I going to say?

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many different opinions out there about Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought if I'm going to have someone fill in for Jesse and Justin I would choose someone who's a good friend of the show a long time long time fan of professional wrestling You know him from pro wrestling towards many guest appearances here on top pro nation Frank Petty Annie welcome back to the show sir

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan, thanks for thanking me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pleasure to be on the show and geez, I'm becoming a regular on these memorial shows because when Scott Hall passed away, I was on that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a good thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a bad thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got some big light in the situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause obviously it's a great piece of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we asked with you, these are some of the toughest shows to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the fact that we have called on you to do those is giving major props to you, sir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we appreciate you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate you and I appreciate the top rope nation group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, nobody was really expecting this obviously, Hogan, seventy one years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There had been reports out there that he was in pretty poor health, but, you know, his, his new bride had disputed that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jimmy Hart had disputed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think just over twenty four hours ago, Jimmy Hart was on Twitter talking about how they were hanging out doing karaoke and Hogan was really strong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we know that Hogan had a next surgery back in May and it was,

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[SPEAKER_02]: pretty, pretty grueling recovery from that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's been a lot of reporting TMZ had been reporting on him struggling with his health as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think TMZ's article as far as I know broke the story this morning, that was the one that everyone was sending me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we're going to talk about Hogan's career, obviously, and all of that, and all of the reasons why Hogan's legacy is just really, really complicated, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we're going to get into all of that first off, you know, if you are just tuning in and you somehow didn't hear the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically what happened is, according to TMZ sports, Medix came to Hogan's home in Clearwater, Florida, early this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually right around, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the call came in at nine, fifty one a.m.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Eastern time, and he was treated at his home by Clearwater Fire and Rescue Personnel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing chess compressions on him at the scene as they were taking him out of the home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was pronounced at the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As I said, seventy-one years old, according to Clearwater Police Department, he died at eleven, seventeen AM Eastern time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They said no signs of foul play or suspicious activity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He reportedly died from cardiac arrest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously people are going to point to

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hogan being a professional wrestler and admittedly used steroids for a very long time and you know what that could have played.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably played a part in his role role in the death you would assume.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not a doctor, but this unfortunately for us as wrestling fans has been a trend with a lot of the stars from our youth as

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[SPEAKER_02]: early deaths.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hogan, not really an early death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, seventy one years old and he should have lived longer than this, but certainly he lived a lifestyle for many, many years that would lead you to believe that that lifestyle played a role in his death frank.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you heard the news this morning, what were your initial thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My initial thoughts was what the hell, you know, like first Aussie passes away yesterday and you know, growing up, I mean, I'm a seventies kid, but you know, my music, music formation happened in the eighties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Aussie is a significant part of that between that Malcolm Jamal Water day before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I watched a lot of the Cosby Kid or the Cosby Show, I should say, so I mean, this is like my childhood, basically being ripped from me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, a good portion of my life, Ryan, has been watching wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been watching since, in the United States,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm fifty-two years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to be fifty-two in September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, that's about eighty percent of my life if I do quick math.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, just really crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm, you know, I'm on the plane at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a couple of, you know, I'm in the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not flying or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I got plans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do a little studying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch Duke Pan Pro

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrestling, night four, got this whole thing and then shout out to my buddy Mike, who sent a text to Justin Girardi, patron of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the two of us are just like, why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sitting down, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom for the next hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting nothing done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not studying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not watching anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, it's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is somebody that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for all intents and purposes, we grew up with, I assume everybody in the group is around, you know, Gen X or at least on the older millennials.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you consider by the way?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an elder millennial.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I miss Gen X by just a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm four years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: definitely an elder geriatric millennial.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I guess I'm a big because I'm seventy ninety seventy three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'm like a baby gen X because genetics I think starts in the sixties not to go into that discussion, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that kind of ties in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you said that because that ties into, well, I don't know, you know, I'll let you ask the questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to jump too far ahead, but, you know, just stunned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are so many memories of watching Hulk Hogan as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, getting, getting WrestleMania three, for example, you know, my aunt and uncle, my grandmother came over, my dad's cousins, you know, they were wrestling fans for a long time, you know, so all of us sitting around, you know, Sunday dinner, Italian, you know, to macaroni and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my parents only did that for occasions, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't their normal thing, but that's another story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, everybody watching that and then the year after that, you know, WrestleMania four, I think I went to my uncle's house for WrestleMania five, you know, whatever, but, you know, there were a lot of, uh, family functions built around wrestling and just, you know, between that, me and my childhood friend John, you know, we get on our bikes, we go to video store and we rent, you know, wrestling tapes and, you know, get pizza and we watch wrestling, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the Saturday nights made events.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it was like the best thing in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd read the TV guide every week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing I'd go was Saturday night at eleven thirty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Saturday nights made event on, you know, and so at Whole Cogan is, you know, wrapped into a lot of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was episode six by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the first one I watched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you guys reviewed that here at classics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just really devastating news, but, you know, listen, let's be honest, and we'll get into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's mixed news as well, you know, because Terry Bollet and not Hulk Hogan did a lot to tarnish the legacy of, you know, of Hulk Hogan, you know, as we, as we knew and loved him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's a complicated conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the best way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it really is, because you look at Hogan, and this is a guy who in some ways is a wrestling tragedy of his own doing, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I feel like when we talk about what happened over the last several years with Hogan and his legacy and everything, and I think that Hogan had a chance to redeem himself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we've seen wrestling fans so many times, like who no wrestlers did awful things, forgive them?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and I feel of Hogan when the news came out that he had made the racist statements if he had apologized like to the locker room in a way that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: was genuine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people would have welcomed him back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The problem was he didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, on one hand, you know, you've got Terry Bolea, the person who, as we've learned more about him over the last several years, is really driven a lot of fans away from him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And on the other hand, you got Hulk Hogan, the performer who is undoubtedly one of the most important, arguably the most important, professional wrestlers of all time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know like it's possible we're not even doing this podcast right now with Hulk Hogan that doesn't mean that the wrestling business wouldn't exist it obviously would have we've joked on this show many times about you know the WWE narrative of how it was all smoke filled arena before them and all that that's not true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hogan wasn't the first person that came out to rock music and all that stuff other people were doing that but you can't you can't deny that Hogan

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[SPEAKER_02]: was the gateway for so many people of a certain age.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was unquestionably, unquestionably, the number one most known professional wrestler of all time until August and the rock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hogan was the name, everybody knew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a pro wrestling, that's the name he threw up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in the eighties and eighties and nineties, he was the guy who when people thought about pro wrestling, they thought about him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, my, we're, we're talking a lot of nostalgia right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get into the hard hitting things to here in a minute, just kind of hinted at that, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's hard to sip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're thinking in one hand, you're nostalgia for Hogan and Childhood and the other hand, what you've learned about him in recent years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it is true, like your earliest memories of a fan as a fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This would have been like late eighties, probably mid to late eighties, is the Saturday morning cartoon that featured a cartoon of Hogan, not his voice, but a cartoon of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, you know, renting the Hulk Mania Coliseum videos with my buddy at the logo grocery store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My first wrestling figure I ever owned was the Hogan LGN thumb wrestler, which I have up on the shelf back right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the one I owned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to rebuy it because mine disintegrated in the sandbox.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I knew that was the first figure I had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of years ago I was at a vintage toy store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to pick that up because I know that and the pipe or figure were the first ones I ever had as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, he's baked into childhood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes that could kind of warp your mind of the person and nostalgia takes over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we've always been honest on this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to be honest about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, you can't separate the real-life guy from the performer because we've learned just so many awful things in the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it makes it, honestly, really hard to do this show and understanding how we're going to approach this, you know, Frank, so go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that's, I think that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I go back and think about, you know, the anticipation for the match between him and Andre, the giant, or him and King Kong, bun me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was more on, I mean, I came in around WrestleMania two, but you know, the first, the first build I sat through was the one two to three, which you guys covered, shout out to you guys for doing a classic on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, everything that happened with four and then, you know, uh, going against the macho man for five and then the build up to him in the ultimate warrior and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna.

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[SPEAKER_01]: lie to myself and say that I don't look back upon that finally because I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're their great memories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The people with whom I watched those shows, again, whether it was my uncle, friends, I went to school with, you know, my cousins, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to go away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible lay of the person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible lay of the person that we learned about, you know, over the last ten years, you know, ever since the thing came out with, you know, the racial comments and the conversation with his son and in jail and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the stuff that we learned about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll be honest, I was getting over Hulk Hogan in the late nineties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, while all the NWO stuff was great, you know, and we'll get into all that, you know, there was a lot of damage that he did to the industry, you know, and I'm sorry, but he was very complicit in the destruction of WCW, which I'm sure will, you know, we'll touch on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I guess we will have different abilities of

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[SPEAKER_01]: compartmentalizing, you know, your ability to compartmentalize is going to be different from mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be different from everybody watching the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't blame anybody for saying screw you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what I watched as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy pissed on my childhood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're skeleton said that, but again, we're good shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't fold them for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't blame anybody for that thought process, but, you know, we can't deny what he was and to put little context to what he was saying before Ryan, the biggest star of the television paperview era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, like you said, there was wrestling before him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was Bruno San Martino, my uncle used to go to the masses where garden every month with his friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and that place was packed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was Antonio and Nokey, giant baba, you know, you go back to Jim Blondis and, you know, all the big names of the past gorgeous George Buddy Rogers, you know, there was wrestling before him, but he was certainly the signature person of the TV paper view era, you know, as the National Expansion, you know, was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: him getting fired from the WWWF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe he got fired for doing Rocky III if I know my history correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, you think about him in Mr. T being a part of that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rocky III is like one of the first movies that I ever loved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably haven't told this story and I'm probably going off for a little bit of a tangent here, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I saw that growing up, you know, I'd go to my cousin's house, you know, what my parents and, you know, like, that's because it was a big wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was my grandfather.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was actually a wrestling fan too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My dad not so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't really get passionate about things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I had seen wrestling when I was younger, but it didn't register.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, then comes Rocky III.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a few years later, I'm going to, you know, go in a school and my friend Frank, yes, I have a friend Frank with the same Berkeley, by the way, I was one first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He starts doing this day and he was a little bit of a bully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would tell you that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be talking crap about this guy Carl Harvey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, why am I talking about this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would walk around saying, let me tell you something, Routy, Routy, Harvey, what are you gonna do when the Frank's or one runs wild on you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what is this guy talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you brought up Hulk Hogan's rock and wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hulk Hogan's rock and wrestling was my entry into watching professional wrestling because then I think whatever would whatever was on if I don't think it was wrestling challenge yet, but whatever was on it maybe like all American wrestling super stuff whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh wait a minute, those are the real life guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How cool is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're probably like, or at least the people that watch that cartoon are probably Vince McMahon's ideal customers because that's what he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He likes that connectivity between something and pop culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of a sudden when I started seeing that, I started seeing a whole coconut, I'm like, ah, that's what my friend Freck was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the whole story, you know, and cloudy, cloudy paper, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go rant, I'd watch the war to settle the score, all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's so much, you know, that's tied to, to Hulk Hogan and what he meant for the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, you know, the compartmentalization is going to be different for everybody, and I completely understand anybody's position

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they say, you know what, yeah, he was great for me growing up, but I can't look upon that the same way knowing what we know about it and knowing what came out in subsequent years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's some irony here because it's ten years to the day, Greg through this out in the chat a little bit ago, but it is actually ten years to the day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that that news broke about the tape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: First it was the sex tape that got uncovered where it was, you know, that Hogan had said these awful racist remarks on the sex tape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was ten years ago today that that news broke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will always remember that because I was running a wrestling website at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: called top rope press that this this podcast spiraled out from actually and I was on the trip I was on vacation and that news broke and I was like on my phone trying to direct all the writers including our friend Kyle you know how to cover this and what to do and those ten years ago today uh and then you know that was the first news that came out WB like separated from them if I remember right within might have been the same day or within a couple of days they had

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[SPEAKER_02]: they had released a contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I came out and they fired them and then they pulled them out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They removed them from the whole of fame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they they wiped this name off the website and all kinds of and then it wasn't too much longer, but then then a recordings came out of some conversations, Hulk had with his son, while his son was in jail for that horrible auto accident, which

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, destroy the life of Nick's friend who is still not in a good state to this day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Hogan visited him and said some pretty awful things that was recorded there too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, all this stuff came out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then in the two thousand and eighteen, Hogan was brought back to WV at Extreme Rules, Paperview Show held in Pittsburgh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they rehired him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of him a chance to address the locker room and on that night apparently the message wasn't so much you know I feel bad about what happened please forgive me it was more be careful what you say because people have cameras and you never know if you're being recorded and that went over

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[SPEAKER_02]: horribly in the WWE locker room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the reason why from that day forward, he has not been beloved by a lot of performers in this industry because they felt like he wasn't genuine in that apology.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more about shoot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got caught than actually, you know, begging for forgiveness, and especially African American wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've seen the new day comments on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen Shawn Benjamin comments on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't feel like he really reached out for forgiveness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this is where this duplicity with Hulk Hogan lies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we know he's gotten involved in politics and stuff and he was at the RNC.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the root of all this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen people on social media saying, oh, they hate him because he liked Trump.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is not the case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It started way before the Trump stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about the racism and that being him being caught for that and not being apologetic about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I get that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It should be held against him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that like I said earlier, if he had actually come out for forgiveness, he would have been forgiven and accepted back by fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead what happened is his last appearance on WWE television was the raw Netflix debut at the Intuit dome where he got boot off the stage, promoting his beer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's Hulk Hogan's last appearance in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, it's a shame because I think he could have had redemption and he chose the wrong route.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, here we are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So on one hand, we're talking about nostalgia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And on the other hand, we're talking about the real-life person and how we can, you know, kind of balance that in our minds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know Justin's not here, but he did make a comment in our Facebook group today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so since he is one of the hosts of the show, I wanted to feature his comment on the air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna read this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not to censor some of it, but I'm gonna put this up on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This would Justin had to say, this is his thoughts on Hogan's passing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Justin wrote, Hulk Hogan is the reason I became a wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the most charismatic people ever who transcended the sport.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Terry Bolea was a garbage human being who spent the last couple of decades systematically destroying the legacy of Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the greatest careers ever, and yet I can't help that think of the What Ifs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What if Terry was a decent and generous human being?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What if he was more flexible with his creative?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What stars could he have elevated to greater heights?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What could of WCW look like?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What if he had supported Jesse, Ventura, and getting the industry to unionize?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was in nineteen eighty six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could that have saved lives?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, would have helped a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, so much of his life boiled down to, that doesn't work for me, brother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Hulk Hogan, for all the memories and making me fall in love with this wonderfully stupid sport for Terry for everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I said, I love the way Justin put stuff by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, pretty much says it all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those of us who cover wrestling have been fans for a long time, this is the struggle because we have a lot of nostalgic memories for this man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is no disputing his importance to the sport.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no disputing about what's really remarkable about Hogan is how, you know, he brought all these people to wrestling in the eighties in their early nineties.

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[SPEAKER_02]: our childhoods.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he did it again with the NWO and the late nineties.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This guy had like two boom periods that he was responsible for and you can't overlook that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say that I put on Michael Jenkins in the comment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said he brought the same generation in twice because if you think about it, you know, I've been able to pull the lot of, you know, kids and you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the eighties, and then a lot of us, I mean, I stayed with it, but a lot of people dropped off, you know, a lot of people got Papa Shango out of at a wrestling for a few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, all of a sudden, he brings them back, like I know my uncle,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would watch a couple of paper views with me, but after his thing was Yoke Azuna winning the Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That did it for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He watched a couple of Wrestlemania's with me afterwards, but that pretty much did it with him watching regularly when Hogan joined the NW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that brought him back and we watched the Lumber of WCW paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he brought even my friend Bill the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He dropped off around the same time and then he came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when Hogan joined the NWO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, to be able to pull the same generation in twice is really quite remarkable on the positive side for, you know, for Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where the wrestling boom period of the late ninety started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that was ninety six NWO forms WCW was on fire for almost two years before WWF caught up and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They changed their product to try to combat what WCW was doing and ultimately it worked in WWF, you know, sword to heights greater than WCW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Hogan ends up coming back to the WW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, any in they get sets send off, where he's world champion again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a tag team titles with Edge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, for all the stuff, a lot of Paul taking with Hogan, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, he is one of the people responsible for the death of WCW and many, many people losing their jobs and wrestlers, contracts, nose diving for a while there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of that, at least in WCW, you know, that was contractual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He got the contract to do that where he had creative control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, he's a guy who was, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a bad thing to do, but he was smart enough to get that in his contract, because he always looked out for himself first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw it when he wrestled warrior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, where the focus was on him and not warrior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw it when he wrestled rock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a shining star at Wrestlemania, eighteen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys can check our classic show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did last year on that if you're a Patreon subscriber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a great conversation on Hogan and Rock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so like he could always put himself first and foremost, and you know, that was the era he came up in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He always looked out for yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now it didn't have to be that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have got behind unionizing and he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If Hulk, if Hulk Hogan had got behind Jesse Ventura in in the United States and demanded the union, it would have happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a whole different industry today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen if Jesse commented on his death yet, by the way, that would be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's how state this community went.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said he went behind Jesse's back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, this came on core proceeds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know this is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He went behind Jesse's back and ratted him out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole other story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This kind of pales in comparison to that, but you could argue he almost killed the WWF in the early nineties because who did he refuse to put over that could have been a bigger star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, I know you love Brett Hart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Brett Hart, Ryan Hoffman, you know, but not to break your guys' heart, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not considered one of the biggest stars of the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we personally like him, but if Hogan put him over like the plan was, okay, at that summer slam, then Brett could have been elevated to that next level and he could have been

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a signature guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and look at the struggles at WWE FN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were almost, I mean, I don't know if you believe that, but, you know, things were dire for a while, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: At that, we talked about it when we did Survivor Series, ninety seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about, you know, how they basically pushed him out, you know, because they couldn't afford his contracts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, had he, had he gave back, you know, what he had been given,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know who knows what the shape of that company could have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to bring on our first guest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's been on the show numerous times before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me get him on right here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is Carl Longhaw and Carl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to top of our nation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to top of our

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[SPEAKER_02]: give us your initial fart on the passing of Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very shocked, but not surprised in many ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Up to a lot of rooms been going around for a few weeks about his health and the solace were dubious, other, obviously, maybe one, but clearly, or something to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put it on the face of the group, I'm really mixed about it because as a performer, you look at Hulk Hogan and think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the soup star, I don't think you'll get a bigger star or wrestling ever again than the whole coconut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a sad reality in many ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as a human being, the lack of redemption that he sought in his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seven's beef and the human level as the one who isn't a religious person, but looks at someone who was the part of himself as a religious person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's really, really sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I look at YouTube guys as two human beings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't judge anything beyond that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Include Hulk Hogan did something in his life that made him look at people in a different way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about the video, you guys thought about video earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's been to me, it wasn't just what he said in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Harry reacted to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not to spy apologising by profiting from it, by going and getting money from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the most likely legalistic way, I was watching a video earlier about play Maxwell and listen to her brother talk about things and it was all like these legalistic reasons why she's innocent, but she's not innocent and that's what I'll go and did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think to myself, that's not a good human being, that's absolutely a pathetic person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's sad for someone that I didn't personally get into wrestling because of Hulk Hogan, but he got me into wrestling because of Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got into wrestling seen Hulk Hogan, but then thought that I love with Bad Joe Man and Brad Hart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Bulldog being a Brit, obviously he was useless, but it was the Brit's Bulldog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't do that, he didn't do any good or done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a horrible moment in what do you look at it and think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy had actually no soul to him in many ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That might sound hyperbolic and IGVC, but I'm not that person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually look at someone's soul and think, yeah, you know, good person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sad your legacy's been tangents terrible way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a tragedy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying like we said the beginning, it's a tragedy of his own making, you know, because like you said the redemption arc, I think would have been there for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: if he truly felt, you know, that what he did was wrong, and he asked for forget, we've seen this time and time again from wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is super forgiving community.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also people who hold to grudge, you know, as we saw at the end to a dome, if they feel like somebody, it's really what it comes down to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something that I've talked about recently on the show, and we've been talking about why Hangman Page has been connecting an AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and why Steve Austin did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all about authenticity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like wrestling fans may be more than any other professional sports league or all about when somebody is authentic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they don't think you're authentic, they will hold it against you forever, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead of going down the redemption path, he chose, like you said Carl, he chose the grift, really, is what it came down to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: basically doubled down on that on that angle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've saw that over the last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate because if you grew up watching him again, you're like, you got those good memories of him, which we can talk about here in a little bit, but man, it's hard for to mean as much to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you uncover who someone really is, you know, like they always this quote about never meet your heroes because they're always going to disappoint you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would ring true here for a lot of people of our age, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he, a friend told us about Aussie and earlier, and what a contrast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A guy that was a superstar that stole the scene, whatever he came into it, had no ego.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He grew up in Birmingham, Mach-Falf-Marm of Narrow, Duke Grappier, but in close to then, good now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And contrast to Hogan is, it's massive, like Hogan still is seeing, but the bear isn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sad, and there was, well, obviously was sent into your believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Hogan said he wanted a year between two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's ultimately so sad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, Frank, you were going to jump in a second ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and to kind of to pick up on what both of you guys are talking about with the redemption, you know, as they say the proof is in the pudding and that into it don't reaction, I think is more important than we realize because what are some of the things that wrestling fans love legends and returns, okay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's some of the things that get the biggest pops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you would think one of the biggest stars of all time, one of the biggest, maybe the biggest star of the, as I said before, the television and paper view era, you know, the person that a lot of people are going to say put wrestling on the map.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he was that person, then that crowd should have embraced him and shared him for that crowd to book, and I don't want to hear it's Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's mostly a democratic state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're booing the Hollywood character, give me a break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That explanation, just really, that was out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You remember that explanation, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're booing the Hollywood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's, that's, that's been the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He got booed at, he got booed at WrestleMania thirty seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was in Florida.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tampa was tied us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a netball of, okay, that ball, not for nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That ball that me with Titus, I kind of lost a little respect for,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless Titus was forced to do that, to stand side by side with holy and do whatever the crap they would do in the beginning of the show, I'm like, come on, you're Titus, so Neil, what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a whole different conversation for another day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he came across many times as funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I remember reactions, Ryan, and Carl, not for nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even after he got brought back, I never remembered reactions being that great form to be quite honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I know they brought him back when Jean died, you know, and, you know, things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't remember the crowd being excited to see him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were excited to see Brett.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say that right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, just making it simple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I see some, I see Ross here in her chat and I'll address this a little bit because I agree with some of this, you know, so Ross says what sad is people all of her social media putting a negative spin on his death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get why people can't just show some compassion and some heart and remember as loved ones that are suffering.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really agree with the, you know, people just making fun of his death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I wouldn't do that either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I grew with Ross, you know, on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand people have strong strong feelings on Hogan and both directions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is such a weird deal because, you know, you log in and you see people are like celebrating it or

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[SPEAKER_02]: up in arms with grief about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I personally don't think that, you know, you should go after somebody super hard after they die.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We try to be objective on this show as best we can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about the positives and the negatives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we got into the positives of Hogan earlier in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're talking about why there's controversy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a complex legacy for Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if it wasn't, you wouldn't see that on social media.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the proof in the pudding that it is a complex legacy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether we like it or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, this is something that we've seen with a lot of people, a lot of stars of a certain age who came up in a world, you know, there was different than the world that we are now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the truth is racism was always bad in this country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And certainly in the twenty-first century, if you couldn't acknowledge how bad racism was, people are going to hold that against you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that's where we're at with Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess looking back at his career and his biggest moments, obviously, as we've said, the eighties wrestling exploding that WF gold in period.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not just WF, I mean, he was a huge draw, an AWA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Frank, you mentioned, he had worked with seniors, WWWF, did Rocky III,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Vince Sr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't happy about that left goes back to Minnesota was a massive draw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a WA was running all over doing, they, they, fifteen, sixteen thousand people when Hogan was on the card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when he wasn't there, they weren't doing that kind of attendance where shows his drawing power.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Vince Jr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: knew that this is the guy I can build this company around and he was right, you know, and, and

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[SPEAKER_02]: He hires him back January, nineteen eighty four beats is like six days after I was born actually January twenty thirty four something like that he beat the sheet and Madison Square Garden just down the road from you frank and I mean so starts this boom period and pro wrestling and he held the title for the better part of the next four years and uh... you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: They tried Randy, Randy held the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had one of the all-time greatest storyline fused in history when the mega power is exploded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they tried to go to warrior, like I said, he loses the warrior, but when he leaves the sky dome, he made the story about himself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's talked about that in recent years and interviews, like, you know, I always knew how to put myself over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what he did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I heard John Pollock talking about this on post wrestling, because he had interviewed him and asked him about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, like, yeah, you know, I love the sky dome because I wanted to make about myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's pro wrestling and he was really good at that, you know, and then he steps away for a little bit comes back when's the title again at Mania seven, Mania eight and so on and you know, as we talked about reignite the industry again in nineteen ninety six with the NWO with

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[SPEAKER_02]: with Hall and Nash and everything they did in WCW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you cannot diminish the man's impact on pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is on the Mount Rushmore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no question about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone that would disagree with that, you could not take seriously as a wrestling historian or media personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't put Hogan on the Mount Rushmore no matter what you think about him, you have no credibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even people in their twenties, you know, I mean, you would think that people, because I get a lot of people at work, believe it or not, I've been at my job for eighteen years and I still meet people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you think I would know everybody, man, oh, we're good amount of people, but I'm always meeting people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I meet people that have been at the company for like twenty years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like we've never crossed paths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The point being,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even the young people that I talked to that I tell that I watched wrestling and I'm involved with a couple of outlets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, oh yeah, I used to watch when it was whole Kogan, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such, it's it's a name that is such a household name connected to the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, any thoughts on hogets impact on the industry in general that you wanted to share?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's unprecedented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you look at what he did, and the longer everything's interesting pointy, bro, I put a lot of blame on that on WMF and Vince, Baylon, Bora, fairly quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because, you know, Liam and Kyle talked about us on the

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[SPEAKER_00]: And arguably, you would argue in the end of the thousands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's come back in two thousand two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it was a down period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reaction that he got in the sky does against rock was insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say like, I've been watching that live in the UK for in the morning and thinking, what's going on here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just that massive, massive, massive means off the scale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sadly, he times it by going on too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think as many guys do, Rick player, when Rick plays, I could pass away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for different reasons because these guys couldn't quit fame and have to keep going, have to keep going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the diminishing legacy comes in that, had Hogan for tidin, had Hogan for tidin, had Hogan for tidin, had Hogan for tidin, what he's been in the Jordanown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My God, what a career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he couldn't quit and had to go on and Stankhook and CW paid the fine kill and CW and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: play the part in setting a precedent in WFWA of the legend after rule that we saw on Tuesday night with the taker and trick Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That legacy was born in C. Bowson D. The year that W went backwards for the first time and it never looked back or never forward because of always what back and that's problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that brief little run he had to know too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to lie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was a teen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was my senior high school when that backlash show happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of into it at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just this weird nostalgia trip for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like after that, he should have hung it up for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then I went on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did the tag team with Edge, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those find Mr. America.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they did the law and technical stuff was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I had that little nostalgia trip where he held the title for God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it like he had it for two months or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, God, when was Hogan board he was born in fifty three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe so he was like forty nine forty eight or forty nine when he had the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember thinking he was a lot older than that at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like years older than me right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it worked for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It worked in short spurts, you know, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would argue he heard triple H a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not not that I want to create sympathy for triple H. Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the last person wants to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I could do a Kyle voice right now, but I could say you guessed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you guessed it winning the title and then having to lose it to hold it a month later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that really hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was a big blow to that time period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas Hulk could have just put him over and made a new star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know Triple H was working hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole other conversation, but yeah, I think that was damaging too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not to encroach on your job, but you know Ryan, but the John Hope mentioning and the Jeff, he also destroyed TNA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had a little bit of interest in TNA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't following it regularly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you could just see the same, you know, methodology that he was using, you know, trying to put him over, trying to make himself the the biggest star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, after I mean, they're still around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to say, it's hard to say that he destroyed it because the company is still around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they got nine lives, those people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if there was any interest in the company, it probably diminished a lot after Hogan spent some time there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... yet john sand if you want to know how popular he is i've had people from work tell me that he died i've had the same thing i've had people who can have to be that i don't talk to very often that are just texted me did you hear all co-conditally yeah you know i heard i'm gonna share with co-workers with the whole world is of mine now some of them watched wrestling in like the eighties in the nineties or whatever you know nothing ever came up when like uh... try to think of wrestlers who died within the last ten years not as come to mind and they have to bendwobb but whole co-cond came up

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Hulk Hogan came up in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, this is what coworkers people that have watched wrestling in thirty years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Frank, let me just ask you this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How many times do you see Hogan wrestle life?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I'm not the biggest, I haven't gone to a lot of events in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you would think, you know, me being in the Northeast, I would go a lot, but, you know, I mean, I went once to a National Colosseum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was him wrestling worn door, after they did the turn on TV, which by the way, that's the turn that's solidified be as a wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was plugged in after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember, I don't think I saw him after that because I went, it was my uncle, my father, my friend Patrick, we went to the Undertaker versus Ultimate Warrior in a casket match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Hogan would have been champ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at that point because that was ninety one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember was he still working slaughter around that time, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the case, that would have been twice, but I don't think I saw him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, did I go to a WCW event?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a WCW, there was a Nitro and Nassau Colosseum in mandate, but the main event for that was, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's his name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: DDP and macho man, they revisited the food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it was oddly, sadly, all the months or twice that I saw him live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The majority of my viewing a whole open was on TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, you ever see him live?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, sadly no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Frank, the night he wanted to, I think there was a one A, one B, to us and it probably wouldn't seem to have turned home in that year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no, never saw home alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only early WGP guy I saw was a bold dog on a random British indie show in between when he got released in WGP and went to see WGP some in the league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And seven for diamond kid of all people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never saw him wrestle in person by did see him once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw him at the two thousand six hall of fame in Chicago for WrestleMania twenty two week and he was he's at that hall of fame ceremony, but yeah, every other time it just never lined up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went to a nitro

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[SPEAKER_02]: in ninety nine and he was working that yearbie wasn't on that show and then I went to a raw in oh two but it was shortly after he had dropped the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't there so didn't seem there either but some once at the Hall of Fame this was back when they were doing it in theaters too so it was a smaller environment so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even remember why he was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to look this up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, who he was inducting because I know he did a speech for somebody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was the Hall of Fame that Brett got inducted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but he was there in two thousand and six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can I cannot remember who it was this point time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But guy, he was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to look up the, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, he always wiggled his way there for something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was inducting mean gene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he came out on stage to real American.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've said this on the show before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think real Americans are the greatest theme song of all time in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rick Deringer, who just died two months ago too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, would you guys concur?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You think it's up there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard to find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Austin from the glass break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hard Mark and me won't say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right Adam, chime in in here in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So traveling from San Diego is a young kid with my dad to see him wrestle the chic sitting ringside and that night was a buzz.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Guessing that was MSG and eighty four when he won the whole building exploded super loud memory he'll never forget with his late father.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cool memory to share.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the building that night, January eighty four Adam Paul.

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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you guys have anything else you want to share?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Should we wrap it up here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I mean, I've pretty much hit what I wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have one other guess it was thinking about coming on, but we're almost done with the show so we might hold off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not here yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I wouldn't say it on the TNN stuff, and not to shut on people and talk about TNA, but DICTQ TNA, like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, DICTQ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She destroyed TNA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gave hope the power, similar to Bishop and TNA in WWW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They gave hope that power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, did he execute it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're a Dixeterner and T-Batson ten, you'll see what I'm talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably don't give Bishop and Hogan that leverage because they're going to do what they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually look up like the guys they're drawing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some Hogan guys are also some non-Hogan guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all failed because it was T&A and they did it with a wrong strategy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of how good generally I think I hope that his family happy and I would like to think broke, obviously was a strength from him, was able to connect to them at some point because from a machine point of view, but I don't like the idea of a daughter losing their father and not having some thought connection from the end

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was a great disconnection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really have up in the Hogan because of Linda, but I don't know why her name is because she was a parasite, frankly, but I hope that, you know, it's all spring where it was connected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Nick and Brooke were able to connect because that's the most important thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As something could have changed in the last few weeks, as his health was deteriorating, we don't know for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But most of the reporting was, as you said, Carl, that Brooke had been a strange from him for a while, like she has two children he had never met.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope that's not how things ended, you know, just from a human perspective, but it been a good close opportunity to ask Andrew Adam's point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was still close Nick ran the bar pretty much, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For whole, for whole, for Terry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a close bit of approach was, it had separate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got one more guess making the run in at the end here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to bring him on and he could share his thoughts on Hogan's passing and then we're going to wrap up today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's ever been on top of hope nation before, but if you're a patron, you've heard him before on TRA next track because we do a lot of stuff over at a bleacher report together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to welcome into TRA and Jeremy loss.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Jeremy, it's wonderful to be here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, I'm running a little bit dirty.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I had a tattoo appointment today and it ran a little long.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But glad to be here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Kind of a weird, weird day.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole show, but I'm sure you all have really hit the nail on the head on this one where it's complicated to feel like how you feel about Hulk Cogan from a wrestling standpoint, from a history standpoint,

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[SPEAKER_05]: You can't deny the fact that the man has a tremendous legacy, is leaving behind a tremendous legacy on the business.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And on the personal side, there's

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[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of negative things that are kind of transpired in his life, and he's kind of put forth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how to feel about it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to kick somebody like that just pass.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to speak ill of them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But there are things that you cannot turn a blind eye to when it comes to Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is just one of those things where I'll be very interested to see the reactions of the talent during the ten-bell salute tomorrow night on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think the camera will do a lot in a minute.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because I feel like the talent is good.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's going to be some talent that they're probably going to want to like shy away from.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It is just overly complicated in terms of how I want to feel about this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I have some great memories with Hill Cogan.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I grew up in the attitude area.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So a lot of my Hogan memories were WCW memories and a lot of Mahaliwood Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so it's just like, I remember him coming back, being the third man kind of going through his heel turn and kind of feeling that in real time and going with it in real time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was too young to be like a Hulk Amaniac beforehand.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So like for me, I knew Hulk as a baby face, but he was the majority of the time and my biggest memories of Hulk Hogan were Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So did you get into the the O-two run, then particularly because you had never really been part of the Hulk Mania scene, you know, when he came back and he's come out, red and yellow again, won the title back, you know, how did you react to that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't for me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I think Ryan, we've talked about this numerous times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love a good heel like I am a sucker for a heel and

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hollywood Hulk Hogan, I mean, say what you want about it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was gold.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like they made a shit ton of money with that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And for me, Hulk Amanean just never really clicked.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do, like even though I wasn't like a huge wrestling fan and I was really young.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do like the jokes about like each of vitamins or what have you with Hulk Amanean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like that's just never resonated with me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so give me the good old like black and white vignette

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[SPEAKER_05]: The...

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[SPEAKER_05]: This, this ad is brought to you by the NWL.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, that was the stuff that like really hit with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew how to make a cool character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like the whole Hollywood Hogan look was super cool coming out to Voodoo Child, bringing out Dennis Rodman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, as a Bulls fan in that era, that was incredible, you know, to see on pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a, he had a really good ability to reinvent himself, you know, to do that, the way he grew out, the beard,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That howdy would rule shirt used to wear in that era was such a cool wrestling shirt too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I think they've remade that a number of times since.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, you can't take that away from them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a cool character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a great heel gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It all worked obviously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Made a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, like you said, we struggle with this too, because how do you, you also can't turn a blind side to the real Terry Bolaya, and it's really, as we've been saying throughout the podcast, Jeremy, it's, we get a little nostalgic, and then, you know, that crease back into your mind and I'm like, but the real guy, you know, the last ten to fifteen years and what we've discovered about them and not repenting for some of that behavior is, it's just made it such a complex legacy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I think I saw on Twitter shortly after the news broke that his last appearance on WWE television is him getting booed out of the building.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like that's crazy to think about for a guy with such a rich history, like his lasting memory is being booed out of LA.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like that's just, it blows my mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be really interested to see how they handle this tomorrow night and smack down like Bell Salute, you know, I think they're going to do a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's just going to be a one tribute video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be the kind of thing where they're showing highlights throughout the entire show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a tribute show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's going to end up being a tribute show where they and then it's going to bleed over the Monday too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that will be really interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have any thoughts you want to chime in there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious with the tribute show because I was talking to my friends about this and the text on the way down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is TKO's WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't the McMahon's WWE anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So based on that reaction that he got in LA, are they going to be a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: careful in how much they pay tribute to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know what that looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that amounts to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just gonna do, because listen, this is arguably the biggest star in the company's history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if the legacy wasn't as complicated as we've talked about, you know, it would be a no-brainer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could make it a total tribute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, I mean, look what they did with Owen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Owen wasn't even the biggest star when he died.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, I think Jeremy, you brought it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to avoid certain people talking about him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, are they going to kind of do enough but not do too much?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because of the tarnished legacy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I just want to drop something quick.

01:00:01.205 --> 01:00:05.489
[SPEAKER_01]: When you had to make a CD back in the day, not play a list on your phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to the gym in the nineties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:00:07.932 --> 01:00:13.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Not if it shows now, but I would have to make CDs with my workout songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Voodoo child was the first song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I've told this story before, but when I first got the internet, which I felt like I was the last person in the world to get the internet, it was in the late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I would get it permanently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And real America was one of the first ones.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did see I see Adam in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did see the McMahon statement.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I saw Linda McMahon put out just the worst photo shop graphic.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, it looks like somebody that it's like a middle school graphic designer put out.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and she's a department.

01:01:12.951 --> 01:01:14.732
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, that's terrible.

01:01:15.132 --> 01:01:15.912
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, hold on.

01:01:16.112 --> 01:01:17.493
[SPEAKER_02]: I have got to put this up on the screen.

01:01:17.513 --> 01:01:18.393
[SPEAKER_02]: This is real bad.

01:01:18.593 --> 01:01:19.333
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so bad.

01:01:19.373 --> 01:01:21.054
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think she made this on Microsoft pain.

01:01:21.454 --> 01:01:22.134
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.

01:01:24.375 --> 01:01:25.555
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I thought trips.

01:01:26.315 --> 01:01:27.775
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, how are you talking about there?

01:01:28.016 --> 01:01:28.456
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:01:29.136 --> 01:01:29.936
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not good.

01:01:30.636 --> 01:01:32.797
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a great graphic for what?

01:01:34.187 --> 01:01:34.888
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.

01:01:34.908 --> 01:01:35.668
[SPEAKER_02]: To be sharing there.

01:01:36.709 --> 01:01:36.989
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:01:37.029 --> 01:01:38.310
[SPEAKER_02]: Triple H had a big statement.

01:01:38.350 --> 01:01:39.591
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that with a bunch of pictures.

01:01:39.671 --> 01:01:40.592
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw fences.

01:01:41.593 --> 01:01:41.853
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:01:42.253 --> 01:01:42.753
[SPEAKER_02]: There you are.

01:01:42.773 --> 01:01:46.776
[SPEAKER_02]: I, to your point, you guys, about TKO, I don't think that they're going to shy away at all.

01:01:46.816 --> 01:01:52.080
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what's beyond is this is the company that's in bed with Dana White and Trump and

01:01:53.127 --> 01:01:54.148
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think we'll be.

01:01:54.368 --> 01:01:55.489
[SPEAKER_00]: Saturation.

01:01:55.769 --> 01:01:57.191
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they might even go.

01:01:57.471 --> 01:01:59.032
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, although not so.

01:01:59.232 --> 01:02:00.053
[SPEAKER_00]: Saturation.

01:02:00.473 --> 01:02:01.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like a spot now pretty much.

01:02:02.815 --> 01:02:03.096
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:02:03.156 --> 01:02:03.416
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:02:03.896 --> 01:02:12.764
[SPEAKER_05]: I could see them going to step further and putting like real American beer like on the center of the ring like just trying to like hawk some some more of his his stuff.

01:02:13.164 --> 01:02:14.105
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I don't know.

01:02:14.145 --> 01:02:19.690
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you guys touch on the like where does this leave his new wrestling promotion with Eric Bischoff?

01:02:21.096 --> 01:02:22.317
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we haven't talked about that.

01:02:22.678 --> 01:02:24.280
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they weren't doing real well, were they?

01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:26.021
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this ticket sale.

01:02:27.163 --> 01:02:28.804
[SPEAKER_00]: Me and the worst person to get.

01:02:28.884 --> 01:02:34.370
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it gives you how much you're wrestling with the most pro wrestling guy.

01:02:35.311 --> 01:02:38.935
[SPEAKER_00]: And with the big ups to wrap up, I'm fishing now.

01:02:42.047 --> 01:02:42.927
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I did.

01:02:42.947 --> 01:02:48.349
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think both of itself, like, free and forward to get something ridiculous.

01:02:49.209 --> 01:02:51.030
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at their Twitter page right now.

01:02:51.070 --> 01:03:02.934
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I barely use Twitter anymore because that site is not super functional for engagement these days, but our top real nation Twitter has like five times as many followers as the real American freestyle company.

01:03:03.074 --> 01:03:04.635
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not a great start for them.

01:03:05.375 --> 01:03:07.556
[SPEAKER_02]: Such with Hulk Hogan and Eric Bishop pushing it.

01:03:07.656 --> 01:03:11.337
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we'll have to see, I mean, you mentioned the beer company,

01:03:11.965 --> 01:03:14.866
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they've got that logo on on the ring apron already.

01:03:15.206 --> 01:03:17.707
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what happens there.

01:03:18.707 --> 01:03:24.669
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of question marks right now, but we'll see, we'll see on SmackDown how they handle all of this tomorrow night.

01:03:24.689 --> 01:03:26.810
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're trusting what AEW does.

01:03:26.930 --> 01:03:28.510
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they had put out a statement yet.

01:03:28.890 --> 01:03:30.431
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're not so far.

01:03:30.471 --> 01:03:32.571
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I'd have been a worldie.

01:03:32.592 --> 01:03:40.414
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tony's gonna stick to his idea of band-hogan for our own twenty-twenty, didn't he?

01:03:41.528 --> 01:03:41.808
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:03:42.088 --> 01:03:44.970
[SPEAKER_00]: You banned the lindering to raise the penalty.

01:03:45.330 --> 01:03:45.590
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:03:45.650 --> 01:03:47.451
[SPEAKER_00]: Think he banned Hogan before then.

01:03:47.471 --> 01:03:48.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:03:48.752 --> 01:03:50.573
[SPEAKER_00]: He banned Hogan from starting.

01:03:51.073 --> 01:03:51.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, a wrong look.

01:03:53.254 --> 01:03:58.056
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a shoot about my opinion, but it's also merits to it at the same time.

01:03:58.737 --> 01:04:01.478
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's out of a fancy fold down.

01:04:01.498 --> 01:04:05.200
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be, you know, stick to something.

01:04:05.220 --> 01:04:09.782
[SPEAKER_00]: If you please ban someone, don't credit them personally.

01:04:10.103 --> 01:04:10.683
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my view.

01:04:12.493 --> 01:04:16.576
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put out if they have a brief statement or something.

01:04:16.776 --> 01:04:30.665
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's too big of a started not acknowledge at all, but would you like to say that's the knowledge that she thought she wanted to accept something and said, um, close colleague, um, colleague, yes, close friend.

01:04:30.745 --> 01:04:31.046
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:04:32.126 --> 01:04:33.307
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's in the place.

01:04:33.467 --> 01:04:33.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:33.967 --> 01:04:34.248
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:04:35.208 --> 01:04:40.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, staying in Stings, put something out and jazz put something out as a heal.

01:04:41.416 --> 01:04:45.240
[SPEAKER_00]: tweet, would you expect saying you expect an open tweet?

01:04:45.560 --> 01:04:46.221
[SPEAKER_00]: Not gonna happen.

01:04:46.241 --> 01:04:47.582
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:04:47.602 --> 01:04:54.129
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's probably let the let's tell you what I'm gonna do and as a company you do what you're gonna do.

01:04:54.970 --> 01:04:55.170
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:04:55.210 --> 01:04:56.612
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wrong.

01:04:57.153 --> 01:05:01.918
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm scrolling Twitter right now and some of the memes that have come out about this are dark.

01:05:02.907 --> 01:05:06.530
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, you're seeing it from all angles.

01:05:06.590 --> 01:05:11.093
[SPEAKER_05]: It is like I've seen numerous Hogan Benoit like fake.

01:05:11.534 --> 01:05:15.276
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, exactly.

01:05:15.737 --> 01:05:16.618
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who needs that?

01:05:17.613 --> 01:05:21.535
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's just, it's not, it's ridiculous.

01:05:21.595 --> 01:05:22.475
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessary.

01:05:23.275 --> 01:05:24.936
[SPEAKER_05]: The internet is the dark place.

01:05:25.056 --> 01:05:32.999
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like, that's what I was saying when I came on, like, I understand the man has a complicated legacy, but he just passed away.

01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:40.342
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, there's just, it's so odd to be that dark and immediately following someone's death like this.

01:05:42.003 --> 01:05:43.543
[SPEAKER_02]: So Tony had also said this.

01:05:43.904 --> 01:05:44.864
[SPEAKER_00]: I just scrolled.

01:05:45.284 --> 01:05:48.605
[SPEAKER_02]: I just scrolled a while because Tony is very active on Twitter.

01:05:48.925 --> 01:05:52.606
[SPEAKER_00]: He is, but he said he has a lot of social media.

01:05:52.626 --> 01:05:53.346
[SPEAKER_00]: He blocked me.

01:05:54.387 --> 01:05:55.767
[SPEAKER_00]: He blocked you.

01:05:55.847 --> 01:05:56.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you God.

01:05:57.127 --> 01:05:59.248
[SPEAKER_01]: I never, I never interacted with the guy.

01:05:59.268 --> 01:06:00.028
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

01:06:00.128 --> 01:06:03.729
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do a podcast once a month and the guy blocks me.

01:06:04.170 --> 01:06:04.850
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

01:06:06.317 --> 01:06:14.203
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you're on the podcast feed, Tony wrote, say what you want about Hulk Hogan, but his impact on pro wrestling is undeniable, RIP Hulkster, the end of an era.

01:06:15.524 --> 01:06:16.225
[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.

01:06:18.587 --> 01:06:35.840
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think to the point we've made about social media, I think it is very telling how direction to home step, about just a toxicity, not just wrestling, fans, but, well, it's a wrestling talk about that.

01:06:36.533 --> 01:06:41.334
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's so tribalistic now, it's ridiculous.

01:06:41.914 --> 01:06:48.395
[SPEAKER_00]: And sure, let's make the point early and wake about how AWS really big crowd.

01:06:48.595 --> 01:06:56.396
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but close to fake thousand, rolling, DNA did a day record off American crowd last weekend.

01:06:57.157 --> 01:07:02.037
[SPEAKER_00]: WDW got close to over two nights, eight to thousand silver already for someone's son.

01:07:02.737 --> 01:07:05.858
[SPEAKER_00]: And each attendance being crits out of bad.

01:07:06.776 --> 01:07:09.218
[SPEAKER_00]: That just shows our bonkers things out.

01:07:09.759 --> 01:07:14.963
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how can I celebrate all those things and say, okay, I may not like DNA.

01:07:15.063 --> 01:07:19.587
[SPEAKER_00]: I may not like AW, I may not like a W, but just enjoy it.

01:07:20.527 --> 01:07:22.989
[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy what you enjoy in it, not a rest of it.

01:07:23.370 --> 01:07:28.694
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't come in on it, just leave it around like, don't, don't like AW, don't like a W, don't like a W, don't you?

01:07:29.395 --> 01:07:31.736
[SPEAKER_00]: Just don't come into that, enjoy what you enjoy.

01:07:31.816 --> 01:07:35.900
[SPEAKER_00]: But does it, does it real and eat onto the part of it?

01:07:36.672 --> 01:07:38.855
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this engagement that's hard enough.

01:07:38.915 --> 01:07:47.084
[SPEAKER_00]: Talking crap, you've got the healing season, the egg, egg goals of the world that just engage at farm for nonsense.

01:07:47.745 --> 01:07:49.587
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's good content great like yourselves.

01:07:50.428 --> 01:07:55.014
[SPEAKER_00]: Just get left the dirt because you actually thought can rationally.

01:07:55.034 --> 01:07:55.875
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:07:58.428 --> 01:08:01.310
[SPEAKER_02]: Adam was asking in the chat about this photo with police.

01:08:01.650 --> 01:08:02.671
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about the photo.

01:08:02.691 --> 01:08:08.356
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a TikTok that there was a video of Hogan being taken out of his house where they were doing chess compressions.

01:08:08.496 --> 01:08:09.677
[SPEAKER_02]: That was legitimate.

01:08:09.937 --> 01:08:11.559
[SPEAKER_02]: I think TMZ had that in their article.

01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:12.559
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw earlier.

01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.843
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know about that, but not something I really think I was supposed to say.

01:08:16.923 --> 01:08:19.365
[SPEAKER_00]: So they say the official verdict.

01:08:20.166 --> 01:08:24.029
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they had a story, he got in the hospital as an official story.

01:08:24.109 --> 01:08:24.890
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

01:08:25.797 --> 01:08:31.923
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I think, I don't like that sort of journalism, like, that top-load journalism.

01:08:31.963 --> 01:08:33.144
[SPEAKER_00]: The ambulance chasing.

01:08:33.184 --> 01:08:35.085
[SPEAKER_00]: The ambulance chasing around.

01:08:35.306 --> 01:08:35.846
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.

01:08:36.106 --> 01:08:36.827
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with the call.

01:08:37.167 --> 01:08:42.052
[SPEAKER_00]: We had it with Princess Diana in the UK, Alva, the German, that story.

01:08:42.092 --> 01:08:47.356
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about her been changed, but there were people taking photos with her dead in a car.

01:08:47.697 --> 01:08:48.938
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just not right.

01:08:49.518 --> 01:08:50.919
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, never ends.

01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:51.360
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:08:53.225 --> 01:08:57.288
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys, I think we've pretty much said it all in the last hour and ten minutes.

01:08:57.328 --> 01:08:59.790
[SPEAKER_02]: As I said, this was kind of a last minute podcast.

01:08:59.990 --> 01:09:01.692
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, did know we were going to be doing this.

01:09:02.212 --> 01:09:09.838
[SPEAKER_02]: I did know we were going to be doing a top overnight in Classic soon on Great American Bash Eighty six, which one our poll will be doing that here.

01:09:09.978 --> 01:09:14.702
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably next week, obviously, we'll have summer, summer slam coverage as well.

01:09:14.742 --> 01:09:19.546
[SPEAKER_02]: So make sure you subscribe here on YouTube or wherever you are getting your podcast.

01:09:20.048 --> 01:09:20.350
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

01:09:20.370 --> 01:09:23.149
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything you would like to promote before we head off the air here.

01:09:24.031 --> 01:09:29.495
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just, I gotta be ramping up pro wrestling that are now real soon here.

01:09:30.055 --> 01:09:31.356
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been a minute.

01:09:31.396 --> 01:09:33.117
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a crazy month for me.

01:09:33.517 --> 01:09:34.538
[SPEAKER_01]: The last show I did.

01:09:34.958 --> 01:09:38.440
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing ninety-five WWF, so a thirty-year look back.

01:09:39.201 --> 01:09:41.442
[SPEAKER_01]: The last show I covered was King of the Ring.

01:09:42.103 --> 01:09:44.444
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been interesting going over that year.

01:09:44.464 --> 01:09:46.426
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's not a lot of people's favorite year.

01:09:46.526 --> 01:09:49.408
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I can't sit here and really defend it, but it's not.

01:09:49.968 --> 01:09:51.750
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as bad as I remember it.

01:09:51.790 --> 01:09:53.812
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's some good stuff, there's some bad stuff.

01:09:54.332 --> 01:10:00.679
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of those time periods where, you know, they're trying new things, but they're still kind of stuck in their old ways.

01:10:00.759 --> 01:10:05.123
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of interesting to see, you know, some of that there itself out.

01:10:05.203 --> 01:10:07.065
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'll be doing that over for,

01:10:08.757 --> 01:10:10.077
[SPEAKER_01]: for the pro wrestling towards Ryan.

01:10:10.117 --> 01:10:13.418
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody guess on my show a number of times I got to get you back on.

01:10:13.818 --> 01:10:17.559
[SPEAKER_01]: And as far as my social media, I don't post a lot.

01:10:17.599 --> 01:10:22.841
[SPEAKER_01]: I just basically stick to the DRN group and a couple of things on Facebook, but you can find me there.

01:10:23.781 --> 01:10:29.823
[SPEAKER_01]: Frank Petty and ETA and I same thing with X, Instagram and Blue Sky.

01:10:30.303 --> 01:10:34.864
[SPEAKER_01]: Just throw us seventy three at the end of my name for a Blue Sky is I just had to be different.

01:10:36.995 --> 01:10:41.726
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go, and hey Jeremy, I think hopefully we'll be collabing again soon over at Bleacher Report.

01:10:41.806 --> 01:10:46.155
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm waiting for our direction, but I know it's coming here in August, so where can people find you?

01:10:47.470 --> 01:11:16.332
[SPEAKER_05]: uh... you could find me on on blue sky b r is where i talk most about wrestling x is where i complain about arsenal football club uh... and the pod raise so if you're into that you can always uh... follow me there but yet uh... you could always catch me on on bleach report with Ryan as we preview wrestling shows and cover eight w w w it's always good time yeah absolutely carl work in uh... people follow you

01:11:18.133 --> 01:11:25.901
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people call me at Act Card I'm not here for a on X yet to feel blue sky about we on there in this group a few days.

01:11:26.722 --> 01:11:32.148
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, on the face of the group for Terran and healthy back in here soon.

01:11:32.729 --> 01:11:32.989
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:11:33.489 --> 01:11:35.131
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Carl's one of our most active members.

01:11:35.171 --> 01:11:40.076
[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys are not in the Facebook group, search top rope nation pro wrestling discussion, all the hosts are there.

01:11:41.764 --> 01:11:43.886
[SPEAKER_02]: We just have tons of posts going up every single day.

01:11:43.946 --> 01:11:46.850
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of good discussion on wrestling, great group of people.

01:11:46.910 --> 01:11:50.534
[SPEAKER_02]: If people aren't good dudes, we boot him out of the group and ladies for that matter.

01:11:50.554 --> 01:11:51.135
[SPEAKER_00]: So, right.

01:11:51.175 --> 01:11:55.340
[SPEAKER_00]: So, because we don't want people who decide that they're all around.

01:11:55.860 --> 01:11:57.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Not to worry too much, you just think.

01:11:58.523 --> 01:11:58.743
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:11:59.163 --> 01:11:59.424
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:11:59.504 --> 01:12:02.425
[SPEAKER_02]: So we, we have a pretty tight knit good group of people there.

01:12:02.465 --> 01:12:04.326
[SPEAKER_02]: You will be welcomed if you join their group.

01:12:04.366 --> 01:12:05.747
[SPEAKER_02]: So get on in there.

01:12:05.787 --> 01:12:08.669
[SPEAKER_02]: You can file a top of the nation on Blue Sky X Instagram.

01:12:09.389 --> 01:12:10.550
[SPEAKER_02]: We're also on TikTok.

01:12:10.590 --> 01:12:14.552
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much everywhere, as I said, all the podcasting platforms as well.

01:12:14.592 --> 01:12:16.713
[SPEAKER_02]: You can find me at Ryan Drosty.

01:12:16.773 --> 01:12:19.594
[SPEAKER_02]: That is DROSTE.

01:12:20.915 --> 01:12:23.218
[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you guys joining me today.

01:12:23.238 --> 01:12:27.102
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, difficult show to do, but I think we did adjust it.

01:12:27.122 --> 01:12:28.103
[SPEAKER_02]: So, appreciate your help.

01:12:28.204 --> 01:12:30.466
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me on.

01:12:30.767 --> 01:12:31.528
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

01:12:31.688 --> 01:12:34.291
[SPEAKER_02]: We will talk to you all again at real soon.

01:12:46.341 --> 01:12:50.403
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to be a man, I can't live its life.

01:12:50.423 --> 01:12:53.584
[SPEAKER_03]: I am a real American.

01:12:53.624 --> 01:12:56.865
[SPEAKER_03]: Fight for the rights of every man.

01:12:56.885 --> 01:12:59.306
[SPEAKER_03]: I am a real American.

01:12:59.386 --> 01:13:02.267
[SPEAKER_03]: Fight for the rights of every man.

01:13:02.307 --> 01:13:05.629
[SPEAKER_03]: Fight for the rights of every man.