John Cena vs. Gunther Preview, AEW Booking Into The New Year

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, it is no fun!

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[SPEAKER_02]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better the will be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here!

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[SPEAKER_02]: In my eyes!

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[SPEAKER_02]: The boom of the clock... ...and not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: episode four hundred and three of top prop nation alongside Justin Joints.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am the assistant to the executive producer Jesse Polaskas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to pop the pop the boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, how are we on this cold Sunday morning?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm flying pretty high because of the big top and him when yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, big, it was a game they should have won regardless, but it was kind of the coming out party for, uh, Chavie Simmons who's been struggling, but other than that, as soon as we're done here, I get a look forward to going outside and snow blowing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this might be the highlight of my day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are not a fan of snow blowing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a diet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really not that big of a deal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just honestly, it's just the prep, getting all the snow gear on and getting the snow blower going and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the one thing I miss about home ownership is this is the perfect time for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I have to shovel throw on my earbuds podcast and lost through the world true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I would feel if I was a home owner had a snowblower to although not quite as nice with the snowblower just because it's so loud I have a

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[SPEAKER_03]: battery lawnmower.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's perfect for podcast listening, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I might just do the silent snow blowing today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sound of silence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how old is Chavez Simmons?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I want to say 25.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I got it up because I don't know for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he is not in his prime yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably got a couple years left before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Yeah, I am unfamiliar with the football world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I actually will ask you a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably know the answer to where did they sit in the table right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I haven't looked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't pay much attention until it gets later in the season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And frankly, with how poorly they've been playing, I haven't wanted to look.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Javi is 22.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was way off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Woo!

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got some years left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there, there's still hope for, well, I mean, there's a lot of hope for Chavie Simmons and then with my football team, there's a little bit of hope for Chavie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They played a day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play at home against the Washington Commanders, who is who are as bad as they are, record-wise, however, Washington gets Chaden Daniels back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I wish, band timing for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Vikings will likely finish either five and 12 or six and 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm predicting the rest of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, their schedule's tough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and you're still a JJ, believe her, huh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where I sit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really too hard to tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel with NFL rookie quarterback's, especially it's really hard to judge them based off a six, seven starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need like 20, 25.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's too early to give up on the big one today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, Ryan Drossi is not here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be tied down happy birthday eating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a happy birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: double digits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did the time go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other big thing for him, 325 bears, Packers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Winner is the NFC North leader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a very good game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that at Green Bay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would assume most of the country outside of the state of Wisconsin is rooting for the bears.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Go Bears.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that has been your sports talk and snow talk for the morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By Sam, we'll see you later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are we at?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to the graphics first and foremost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we are not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going captions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is how we start every wrestling show of hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: our patrons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for your support.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Classics has been delayed a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the time of year with birthdays and holidays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Class of the champion 17, where Justin joint will get his shining moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to a Classics episode, I have gotten through the first two matches, but I have also watched the main event in the

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[SPEAKER_03]: cornerstone show for me in my wrestling fandom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: About three or four accounts, I think two weeks ago, like right around the time that it happened that had post stuff about it and said this is unbelievable stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they're saying positive things about it, you know, yeah, then this is going to be it's might be an all timer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you to our lovely folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're a handful of patrons away from getting meet the nation going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would like that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please, all three of us will then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to teach Justin how to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a board here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That might, that might break the show with anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It trial and error.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can definitely tell you from the first handful of podcasts I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I cringe go, I can't listen much like you can't listen to yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't go back and listen to my first five or six shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you live in your learn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to get the housekeeping item out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty big news and that's Netflix acquiring Warner Brothers and what that's going to mean for the future of the professional wrestling business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think much like everything when you see it in the news, it's really hard to tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think once the plan is executed,

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[SPEAKER_01]: According to Ryan, I'm going to use some of his notes here because he this is this is probably his baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think when it comes to knowledge upon this He just feels that short term feeling that netflix would have been much better to for them than selling to paramount I don't know where where that would have gone

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... paramount i know is uh... actually funny enough ufc's last paper view was last night they moved to paramount january two thousand twenty six to keep in that in the tk o family would have been i don't know and still are with that flicks paramount et cetera but here's the big caveat is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Netflix isn't interested in the network side, which means that TNT TBS will continue to hold their contracts with AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only thing that might matter and it's going to take probably a lot of legal stuff is what's going to happen with HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, do you have anything on this topic?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's this is a totally a wait and see situation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not, it's not even close to being finalized.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There, another buyer could still jump in at any time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just because it was announced, doesn't mean it's official by any means.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was glad to see that the network thing is gonna be separate because there was a lot of doom and gloomers when it comes to AWS.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I just don't even believe, I mean Netflix isn't gonna purchase something and then throw away a money maker

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I mean, this could be years before we see anything happen with this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I, I, not too concerned with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think either one of us are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To be honest, the thing I am concerned with is the end of this year when Peacock gets rid of all of my WWE library.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, outside of wrestling in any W, I think this really sucks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just, you know, the monopolization of all of this crap is just that part is depressing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, three, four, five of the largest, probably the richest folks in the world just continuing to buy everything and keep it under that corporate umbrella.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Capitalism right now is running rampant and is not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the United States of America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we have touched pretty much and all we need to just when it comes to that, it's the wait and see approach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are gonna get the WWE stuff out of the way now before we move to the continental classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: John Cena next Saturday night on Saturday night's main event will be wrestling gunther who won the time is now tournament if you scroll through cage match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All four of his matches were ranked between high sevens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and mid-eighths, he put on some fritty, solid performances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only one that I watched from start to finish was LA night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That might have been LA night's best match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: G. I wonder why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Most people are saying that Solosa Co as best match took place the week prior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: against Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the only thing that might not make sense here, and this is where I want your opinion, should a younger guy have stepped into this position to win this tournament?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you feel that Gunther is the right choice for this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Gunther is, you know, by miles, my favorite wrestler in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm totally at peace with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the question is, going with a younger guy is like, who?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess you could have gone Brown Breaker would have made sense, but they just didn't go that round.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, it just doesn't matter who they're gonna put in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, you know, they thought they gave theory the rub when they had him beat John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My only question is, how is this match going to be laid out?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be like a super squash, like the Summer Slim match against Brock?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really foresee that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I assume it's going to be some long, quote-unquote epic to kind of sensey now, you know, on a high, but yeah, I would think, you know, is there any chance,

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[SPEAKER_01]: five percent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that even might be high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I- does he really need it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's, I mean, we look back into history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did Brock Lesnar really need to defeat the Undertaker or Russell Mania?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That one, that, my opinions on Brock Lesnar aside, yeah, that one worked out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In the moment, I hated it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would prefer a younger person, but I also didn't realize that Lesnar would still be working for the company all these years later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I assumed,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like as all of his previous runs, he would be in and out and it would just would have been a very, very short-term gain Storyline-wise, but that that one is aged, you know outside of the match being absolute crap.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That one is aged Okay with me

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he mean he was just coming back from UFC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're an half-prior and yeah, big time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Michaels getting retired by the Undertaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was back in 2010.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have maybe given that to a young guy, but what really, what could with that have done?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the one that is hilarious to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Baron Corbin, retired in Kurt Angle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hasn't a longer in the promotion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That should have been Drew McIntyre.

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[SPEAKER_03]: back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was he?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't the company.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it was Roman and Drew at that WrestleMania where Baron beat Kurt Angle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they just got that all screwed up or mixed up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I should say they should just swap those guys fed Baron to Roman and let Drew beat Angle, but I lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, this is, I think Gunther's already cemented as like

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sad thing is, I wouldn't say a lot of that audience rejects Gunther and his style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know if they're, they really understand it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's to me, it's more of the throwback heel than 80s and the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the thing, the guy can really wrestle too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's all going to be a matter of what they do with them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What their plans are for, I mean, they've got to have a major

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[SPEAKER_01]: My thoughts exactly, Tim Jensen, Walter really needs the rub and nobody has heard of the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of Saturday night's main event, Card is so far as interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're mixing NXT talent in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's, I'm pessimistic about it and I'm optimistic about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I lean probably a little more in the pessimistic side because I think when you let it play out in the WWE,

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't play out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have Bailey wrestling soul Ruka, who I think is probably either third or fourth most ready in the WWE down in NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's an excellent performer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the other avenue, this is a match that I watched last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched Obafemi regain the NXT championship

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if I were to throw a rating on it, something between three and a quarter three and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd play more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ricky looked good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but look great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting Cody Rhodes and Oberfemi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on Saturday night's main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the question before actually yes, hypothetically, seen as supposed to open this card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are people just going to turn it off after it's over?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or are they going to care about these NXT people?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin, do you have any thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My curiosity for that show outside of Sina and Gunther is is there any chance that,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obi-Famah beats Cody Rhodes and I think the only chance of that happening is if it's a non-title match I don't know if they have a knelt said or not Not to my knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a hundred percent sure there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I should at all Yeah, I mean yeah, I definitely won't be watching.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a family event But if I find out Obi beats Rhodes, I will be watching that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they should go non-title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he should win it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a really, you have a 26-27 year old guy who is main roster ready that can come up at any given time and be a force.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's basically one of your next Batista's, your Bronx, your Orton, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, kind of get this generation emotion something that this, they haven't done since the shield in 2012.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Owens and Zane and 15.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because yeah, on Wikipedia, it's just looks like it's just champion versus champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So probably not going to be for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I know, I would be stunned if they had Oberwind, but yeah, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, definitely see what that looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe I only have one other thing, W-W-E-Y's, and that is, I don't know if you've seen this, but Pranbreaker cut like a two and a half minute promo and raw, that was very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It, of course, overreaction wise people call it promo of the year material, no, not even close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's wrestling CM Punk and the first Netflix of 2026 for the World Heavyweight Championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are rumors going around that either he or Roman Reigns are the favorites to win, the royal rumble early next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't you not, is this the opportunity to crown Brown breaker get it over with right now and have them destroy punk or even win the match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's timing wise it seems weird, but I also would think it's not great if you have them lose in this big match, but you know, it feels like punk just got that title and to take it off of them already.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and not saving the crowning moment for Brown for just even a bigger spot like a royal rumble win or a big PLA is, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Braun should be championed sooner rather than later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily know if you wanna throw him in this situation though, because this seems like something that's really, but you could save a WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What about Brown versus Gunther at WrestleMania?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be all in on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be all in on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bronn is one of the few people that has defeated Gunther in a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe him and Iliadragon offer the only two performers back down in NXT that have defeated Walter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could play some history there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, a solid promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I would like to see Brian just to see if he can run with the ball and give WWE something fresh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So time will remain there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this has just been a crazy week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in general for wrestling, not just WWE, but we have New Japan ramping up for Wrestle Kingdom here next month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm going to throw this in your real fast because I, there's a handful of people that really want to hear this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hiroshi Tanahashi's retirement match against Kazuchiko Kata, and then Kenosuke Takashita taking on Yoda's suji for the IWGP Heavyweight Championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, who should main event this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And number two, are you excited to watch these at your time at your leisure?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited for Wrestle Kingdom this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the most excited, I've been for Wrestle Kingdom in years at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As far as which one should main event, you know, I'm kind of old school in the fact that I kind of think the world championships should be in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: without question, but there's also no question what the bigger match is, and that's gonna be Tana-Hashi and Okada.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, it's a win-win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it would hurt the world championship match if it were to go before Okada and Tana-Hashi, but I think I would stick with the world title match going on last.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it'll be the better match

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I wouldn't blame them if they, you know, if they wanted to send Tana Hashie out in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I know Tana Hashie's going to get every give it everything that he physically can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, believe he's 47 years old and his knees are just busted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's he's walking around worse than than my uncles right now and they're in their 70's it's it's crazy you did you remember watching that at all out I remember I'm trying to climb the top rope for the high fly flow and it took him like a year to get up there yeah it's not good it's not good I mean he's still just because of you know how

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[SPEAKER_03]: his experience in being one of the greatest aces of all times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He can still pull off you know something pretty close to a three-star match, but yeah he's far from what he used to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this one's pivotal for the future of New Japan and the early stages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you crown Yota Suji right now as the IWGP heavyweight champion?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's more

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about Kenoskates Akashite here in a moment because that guy has had a wonderful 2000 and 25 and we need to just kind of glorify it just a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the fact that he's doing so much work and two separate promotions is it's just impressive stuff is able to go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it should say, I'm not very plugged in to New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know what kind of support is behind Yoda at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if there is a big crowd swell for him to be the top guy, I don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So obviously if there is, if there is a clamoring of the fans that want to see him on top, pull the trigger, do it now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: he's not exactly a spring chicken so but I also like the feeling I get is that he's not really there yet then there's just to me it's more interesting to keep the championship on to Keshta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Suji is the one of the young lions that somewhat heralded group, which is the U.M.R.U.M.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: group in Renderita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one that's emerged so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems like he's gotten the most crowd support.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like you've said, it just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not at that O'Kata level in 2012.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a town of Hashi Nakamura level back in 2004 or five, when I think people were clamoring in Japan for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to do it and to cash it is still I think in his early thirties like you're doing just fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll probably actually yeah let's tie this in now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you like to see to cash it over in New Japan more in AEW less if he does retain this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like watching to cash to wrestle so I'm fine with him continuing to appear in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it lowers the drama because he can't be taken losses, but I like that he works both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's impressive that one person can go ahead and do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing that more these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, before we tie into that, we're going to pivot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hit A, W, and we'll talk about kind of the back and forth with promotions and champions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I did want to get this in because we have really been promoting this a lot recently as you know with classics and the Patriot and the patronage five dollars a month to support us you get over 200 hours of content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm three more episodes away from recording my 200th episode of TRN unplugged I have to get in I have to get on that and figure out how big of a presentation I want to make it who I'd like to have on the show may even take some callers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think we're on 74, 75 classics, Ryan puts his star ratings, he puts his bleacher report after pay preview shows behind this pay wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does extras in the summer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that guy wears a million hats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I am the assistant to the executive producer in this role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he does so many things that I don't know how in the world he's able to up to put everything together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the right hand corner of your video screen, topropnation.com slash discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There, I think we're up to 50 something people in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the great thing is, I would say 80% of those folks are active, talking about everything from pro wrestling, I've seen music chats in there, books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a favorite kind of sidebar in there, like a music, like what would you, what's been your, your fancy right now so far?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, say outside of wrestling, I've been most active in the music one, but uh, you know, I've been kind of locked into stranger things with the wife.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So once I get past that, uh, you know, I love movies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's my favorite thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I hope to get that chat really going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many more episodes left of stranger things?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, four.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe three will get released on Christmas and then one on New Year's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how that's how they keep you hooked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, new seasons decent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty good so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the fifth or the fourth and final.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Fifth and final.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're definitely a TV series buff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can be, I can easily talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before we get to AW, my question for you is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think back to like, breaking bad in a lot of those shows, where would you cut seasons off for epic television shows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you cut it off at four seasons, five seasons?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is your sweet spot?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the sweet spot?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it all depends on the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If the writers know where they're going, take it as long as you can.

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[SPEAKER_03]: how there's been so many shows that I loved, that just fell off a cliff, because they dragged it out too long, lost being part of the chief among them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't hate the final season of Game of Thrones as much as other people, but it was definitely disappointing especially the last couple episodes were just horrendous, but yeah, I can't give you a strong answer just because it depends on the show, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think five is the peak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's where you should cut most instances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be hard press that have to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People can totally take me to task on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they can find me a television series that has been phenomenal from like season six moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll use my example with Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved the first four seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth season was like one of the best seasons I've ever seen of television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they change producers in a fell off of a cliff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had one good season from five to eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then first of all, I don't know off the top of my head how many seasons breaking bad wind or madmen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But those two shows were strong throughout.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the wire was just four seasons.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, like I said, if the writer knows what the arc of the show is, then that will determine the success of, you know, going past five seasons, it's really hard to write compelling television, I think, for more than five seasons, I mean, it's better now that, you know, back in our day, where every show had to be

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[SPEAKER_03]: 24 episodes a season, you know, where they don't have to do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that helps a lot where you can kind of just determine the number of episodes as a season has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, very much so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, last thing for me on the on the TV front, I felt that the office, which is something that I've watched cover to cover twice, I think season five, maybe six would have been good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael left midway through season seven and it dropped off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just really hard to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was your television talk in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to get that out of the way for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So topropnation.com slash discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to talk anything pro wrestling, we talk about the promotions outside of the large ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Japan and then in these, we throw a bunch of different things in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, actually speaking of which,

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[SPEAKER_03]: This might be a good segue.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you watched it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have not watched it, uh, ring of honor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Final battle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard good things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have watched how many matches did I watch three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched three of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw Mercedes Red Velvet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, highly recommend that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She lost folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimo Monet is now down to 12 titles and watching her promo last night on collision where you can tell she's starting the fall apart was good stuff, good character work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really enjoying this Mercedes die of tribe and what she's going to keep, what she's going to do if she keeps losing these titles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would be, I mean, that's a lot of losses for one of your top stars to take, so I would be shocked if the story for the coming months has heard losing each and every single one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm with you, I like the story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was very much needed for her character, and I'm intrigued where, you know, the end game is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very much so the purest of grabs by the way, this is a match that I recommend you going out of and out of your way, Justin to seize Lee Moriarty and Nigel McGinnis.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the one, that's the one I've been hearing the buzz about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sweet spot stuff there, yeah, even like the way that it ended shocked me, I'd be just a well put together match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one that I watched was the sixth man challenge at the top where I believe Bandito retained.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pinning, head to zero, Bandito continuing to put on performance after performance, after performance, just cementing what, yeah, cementing himself at the top of the wrestling world, I think, in terms of his in-ring work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, keep vamping on final battle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got any 10 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like a plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would highly recommend going out of your way to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Athena retained against Persephone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this is a G question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to totally ask Justin when he comes back is Oh, this is it's been almost a three and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is almost Roman Reigns territory when it comes to Athena and just how long that this title reign is going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which has me a little bit confirmed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, which has me a little bit concerned that it's how much she's going to continue to appear on A, W, television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to halt this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still because she's a ring of honor champion?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, should she lose?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like she should eloss his title months ago and thrown her into this A, W equation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me your thoughts on Athena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, interesting because

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've heard that a lot like that she probably should have had the title taken off of her while ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it seems like, I mean, where?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cause it, to me, it just feels like hindsight, the right decision was made every single time that she should have won.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And unless she's gonna go right into the main event scene in AEW, I prefer, for her to just keep dominating in Ring of Honor, wait till the right moment, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She had that little run in the spring with the Owen, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would just keep her going down there and tell you're ready for her to mini-vent and I think you know the mini-vent scene in AEW is kind of solidified for the women right now with stat being on top you have Mercedes there although you know with the tag division that does take some of your top stars like Tony out of the equation so yeah until Ring of Honor has the right woman to take it off of her I wouldn't do it just to get her into AEW take the title off of her

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might not happen until the end of next year, and I know that Billy Stark is still pretty young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost foresee her being that person because like it's going to be hard to get her on AW television with all those names that you mentioned too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why not let her run with the ball for like nine to twelve months and ring a vonna get some more seasoning under her and then maybe see what she can do in the raw on that AW roster in twenty twenty seven because I don't have an answer for you who should take this title off of Athena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just not a great not a great option right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's really difficult, difficult to tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: LFI, which was, I think Sammy Guevara and Beast Mortosa, the new Ring of Honor tag team champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So good to see you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sammy, Sammy, the first three consecutive time tag team champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cheese.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He held it with Dustin, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was vacated, then he held it with, was it Rush?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was vacated, and now here he is with beef.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... samie's better often ring of honor right now absolutely i have night

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[SPEAKER_03]: A, okay, not seeing him on my A, W to O vision.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he fits perfectly with Ring of Honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's still a very good hand ring performer, but he just gets lost in the season up on the big show, if you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just nobody seen nobody's clamoring for him to be a top guy in A, W as much as they want to try and, I mean, boy, they really try to force him into that pillar role, and that is just not him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, let him be a bigger fish in a smaller pond and Ring of Honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pull him up from time to time on AWS television and just let him have a hell of a match and if he connects with the crowd at that time then maybe you can reassess the situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a little bit of four pillar talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll tie it into this to this next and most important segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of the week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about A, W, and the last, we're looking at week and a half of television and the continental classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First things first, I got to fire this off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here are my thoughts so far on the A, W continental classic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I think we're going to get a lot of run out of that clip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Tony Robo, I love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, and the best thing about that was I slowed it down to 0.75 speed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was wondering if I'd that one felt longer than other ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had to 0.5 was just a little bit too slow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where that wouldn't have gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every single match so far in the Continental Classic has been unreal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say if you were if you were to take into account stars, probably the lowest rated matcher probably be around three and a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think your highest would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, four and a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be a four and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Justin, give me your favorite match so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just eat you from what you've seen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, uh, boy, that's a tough question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's the first one that springs to mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is probably just recent see bias is flexure and night, just because that felt like that felt like that really kind of made night in a new way, not like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a top guy now, but uh, boy, he is just popping off the screen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's so hard in today's wrestling

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[SPEAKER_03]: athleticism to really make somebody because they're all there's so many like Uber athletic high flyers, but holy shit does he really pop off the screen?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a big I loved to catch the mocks from last night mocks in Claudio was freaking amazing

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like you already kind of alluded to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just been bang or after bang or so far.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is this is my fair time of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I freaking love the C2.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's absolutely incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no outside interference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All matches are 20 minutes or less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can tell that the performers slow things down for for for for spots in the match, especially in the first three, four, five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll start working limbs and doing things like that, or in the case of like a Darby Allen and a Kevin Knight, for example, those guys just beat it up because that's because that's what they're accustomed to, but it suits them well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, and I think Tony is really starting to figure out how to lay these out because you know, a lot of the complaints with the C2 have been it's obvious who the guys are that's going to be taking the L's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but this year it's like with some of the upsets and shockers we've we've seen in where I think they're going storyline wise is I like the way he's utilizing those guys like

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[SPEAKER_03]: a mixture of up and comers like night and speedball mixed in with like veteran savvy of strong who's like the perfect C2 guy where he can eat the elves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's you know, an established guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And as far as the the uh

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a midcarter goes, but he's a, you know, he's going to have fantastic matches with everybody and so that just works for me and I mean Dorado freaking beaten Claudio shot the hell out of me, but makes total sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's there's just a whole lot to like with with the layout of this thing and did you see who's replacing Darby I was going to talk about that right now because we mentioned Sammy Guevara and the four pillars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, that's where you were going with that very nice Darby's injured and pissed off about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's replaced by Jack Perry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The shot was great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But again, perfect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For one, because he's taken over for Derby in Kevin night beat Derby, he's coming in kind of behind already.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if, you know, obviously he's not going to win this thing, but all he needs to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is just have some freaking amazing matches and and boy, I'm excited for some of those, you know, like Jack has really been floundering for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is exactly the sort of thing that could get him going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can find himself in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he, okay, so he would be, yeah, so it's

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, pack and speedball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I didn't ask.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is brood of me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's your match of the C2 so far?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Haven't last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mox and Takeshita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they beat the shit out of each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lim work and the story being told right now with Moxley just really losing his confidence after losing the Claudio and Wednesday night which you mentioned already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a very good performance but to cash just just a big time guy, which is why we talked about it with the quick new Japan segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so good that he can fit either promotion like you want him to keep going back and forth like this because we think that with this story that's being told it's going to come down to Okada and to cash it a it could come down to to cash it a Fletcher maybe I'd rank that like 15 20% but I think just those two houses meeting up and who wins from there is a huge question do you think to cash to runs the table in his league Or will somebody beat him?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be, I think, I think somebody, no, I think he runs it because if somebody's going to beat him, I don't think it'll be orange, but I could maybe see Claudio or even like another upset win for Dorada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which, and that's a story you can tell with Claudio, this is a second year in a row that he's lost to a master wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He lost to commander last year in the C2 when it looked pretty much foregone that Claudio was going to advance into the semi-finals and commander stole it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So which commander replacing juice robins in last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, he was just used to eat pins where which act Perry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's going to be used in a scenario to eat some pins.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to, he's going to want to go get.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to stick in the blue league here for a minute.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think is going to happen with the rest of boxes means that you know he's already has he has two losses already I mean to to big names, but He only has two matches left with strong and orange and I think he's going to lose to orange I think orange has got to get his revenge for full-year last year That's a 50-50 toss-up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost think that it wouldn't hurt for him to get a draw in there somewhere

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I, I, I don't know, because you know, obviously everything's the story is kind of him losing his grip as the leader of the death writer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think I think if I was going to do that, if I was going to run with that story, I'd probably have him beat strong and then going into the last match of his C to against orange.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I'd have him lose and that's where he would really lose the confidence of the rest of the death writers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you have to think in your head of heads that the turn is coming at world's end when they dump boxley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That seemed like the appropriate place.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, have you heard Kingston's promos?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: he sounds a lot like and I'm this isn't my original thought of seeing other people point this out sounds a lot like mocks a year ago with you know he's wanting the younger AW guys to get to the top the right way it whereas mocks was about he wanted somebody to step up you know so I I foresee maybe a mocks in Kingston combo for 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: yes, please.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, both of those guys are in their 40s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't necessarily need to have ginormous singles runs, especially John Moxley right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kingston is just getting back from injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually want to get back to that a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Among other highlights from this C2 so far, for me, this is a costume one seeing pack in his 1982 Dynamite Kid gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just so many really good wrestlers in that promotion that they're I've said it before there's times he gets lost in that shuffle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he could he's a name that could win like that side of this of the bracket, but you know that he can't because O'Cott is there flexures probably there pack flexures probably the match I'm looking forward to the most I think the rest of the way yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would take it a look here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Make sure I'm not forget anything, but I think I agree with you that that is going to be the one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many really good ones left to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fletcher owns O'Cotta right now that that's another story for the second year in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fletcher defeated him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can tie that in when they split off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think speedball night, that's not really an important one because obviously those two don't have any hopes of winning this thing, but maybe for their potential break up down the road and just for in-range quality, I think that's going to be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put you on the spot right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where I'd go with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin night in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where would you like to see him go?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the best case scenario for him in 2026, and I think it's year early, I would actually put this at 2027, is him getting that up and comeer world title shot at all out, you know, like Hangman got MJF got Jack Perry isn't there, but he kind of had that shot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was Kyle Fletcher this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's kind of that spot where there are two years, uh, premature for actually being a world champion, but I would not be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it'll be 27 all out, Kevin nightverse whoever is the champion at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a really good prediction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even tie that together with all of the guys that are like a year or two away from being a main event talent getting thrown into the world title scenario.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't been every year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Tony hasn't done that every year, but it has been utilized quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's done it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Christian Cage in 2021, he didn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was no world title match in 2023.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then what the other one was punk, punk, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really cool that I teach I would almost say he should do that more, but then that in a sense that kind of waters down the waters down the whole.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't you don't want to make that the gimmick of all out, but I do like it when it's utilized sporadically, but in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like that given given a TNT or made.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A.W.

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[SPEAKER_03]: National Champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I could shake him a night, maybe maybe that'd be the summer to fall feud.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's all rick-beaking a ricochet in a little off-topic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's defended that title twice now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is online, have said, well, why is he defending it outside of a A.W.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, hello?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the title was created.

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[SPEAKER_01]: An entire fucking point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Dalton Castle, and then Ace Austin, they ran it back from Ace Austin's first match with the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like Ace Austin a lot, but again, he's almost like a speedball to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what does he have character wise?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, so you're just gonna have to throw him into the, we're gonna put on a really good match in this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna love it, but what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that he's got an association with the Bang Bang Gang, I think that works.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got that feud with FTR right now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a good kind of stepping stone to, you know, we assume the eventual cope and Christian return.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's a safe feud for FTR right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's pretty much bullet proof.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw somebody last night online say that they didn't really like Roger strong too much going in, but they've been super impressed with his C2 work and I kind of said, well, he's that's this is made for him too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a fantastic worker and he'll probably get a win somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who it'll be might be in the Dorada.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would, yeah, I could see him getting a shock upset over somebody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Make, you know, I honestly thought that could be the Takeshita one, because that doesn't hurt him too much either, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it just being upset and Takeshita gets, you know, the wins out of all the, you know, quote unquote, big names in that league.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I wouldn't hate that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the other one would be,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I don't be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How does an orange need some wins?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's only got three points right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I still, well, I would, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to catch to who's coming out of this, going into World's End.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got that audio.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's got to be Claudio Mox or Orange.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they're just going to be playing roulette Claudio defeated orange correct in that first one correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's defeated mocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the odds on favor right now to to run this down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Claudio is still so much left to get.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I, and then what would we be looking?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We could be looking at, you know, Ocada Claudio and Fletcher de Casta for the the semi-finals

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a question I was going to ask you, and I don't know, actually, I know where I stand on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They unified that title with the international title between him and Omega at all, or at, yeah, at all in, and now they just separated it once again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So suppose Ocada loses to Takeshita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we just see international champion again, would you have preferred just the merging of the two titles and kept it, because that's where I would have gone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I like a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely in the category of there's too many titles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But also just like the conversation around, you know, their paper views going long and and

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that kind of stuff, I'm just kind of over debating it or fighting it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just kind of throwing up my arms and it is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then honestly, I love the design of the international title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm happy to see that back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely prefer that over the unified, but yeah, I would have preferred it just to stay the unified, but that's never how it was sold, you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tony talked about even going into all in that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were still two separate belts in the champion could decide if you wanted to just carry the unified or both of them You know and for a long time call us carried the other two so Yeah, I wish it would have stayed one, but it is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know so I should have the creation of this national title now like oh man another one Which is how how we felt about it going forwards anything else see two eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, who who who beats Kyle Fletcher

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me take a look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody has to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, somebody's going to get a win on him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That could be a good Jack Perry one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, pack.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, pack.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's got to be pack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think just the way that that it's running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to see Ocada and Takeshita in the semifinals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to see that in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ocada's going to run the table the rest of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would mean flesh and have to lose twice or lose once and have a draw.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think a draw could definitely be maybe that'd be like a maybe that's, you know, where they go with speedball or Jack Perry in them taking flutter to the limit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I do, yeah, I think pack is going to be the one to be fluttered, but actually, and that's it, I guess, yeah, flutter has to win this if they want to keep to catch an olcata for the finals, although that is a way to sell the paper view,

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[SPEAKER_03]: is if that's your semi-final match being a cash-to-alcada, but I just don't think, you know, whatever the final would be there, it doesn't feel as important as that match, so I think you do have to hold off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Match quality wise and last year's worlds and you ran into the problem of Fletcher and Osprey being better than Osprey, O'Cotta, which isn't necessarily a problem, because Osprey and O'Cotta was very good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but that's just well aspirated being well aspirated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's going to be the same scenario with those three men with O'Cada, Fletcher, Takeshita, and then whoever emerges from the fourth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the other, yeah, this will be the last question on the C2, with John Moxley, suppose he does an advance in the C2, like how can you make that break up important?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like where would it fit on that world's end card if he's not in the C2 tournament?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like I kind of said, I think him losing to orange, and then you would do some sort of six man, where Mox still thinks he has, you know, the backing of the deaf writers and then they would officially turn on him at world and in a six man match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the stories that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's I think I have that meme of that guy with like he's throwing his hands here and all the arrows are going this way all over the board almost like a who's who who did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a million not million, but dozens of stories being told right now and they say you don't be content.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A classic just feels too soon to get

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[SPEAKER_03]: to have the turn happen before world's end and do some sort of like a mocks first pack match at world's end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you hold that off until the beginning of 26.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of your TV specials like a grand slam if they move it to, I think there is a grand slam in February next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just forgot where it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have that after Wednesday in Atlanta, Georgia, which I'm going to touch on winner is coming right away here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only a couple more items left in the AW side of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're betting you'll throw some money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, in February.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going over to Cardiff on Saturday for the winter is coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think there's a couple more European shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know John Hopes going Manchester.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if anybody else, if Carl's going or if anybody else from our UK contingencies going to those.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But boy, I would go, you know, just because you don't get it very often.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And those cards are looking pretty tasty too from what they've announced so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, which let's hit it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Winner is coming last couple of items.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Samoa Joe, Eddie Kingston, like we mentioned, Kingston getting thrown kind of right away into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At first, being a little bit ice cold, and then all of the sudden, I think just with these last two promos yet, Eddie Kingston kind of reminded you that he's still as good as ever on the microphone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's lost some weight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's just trim.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's just so believable.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything he says, you believe, not, you know, as both the character and the human being, I do hope this is the last time, as much as I've enjoyed the promos.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope this is the last time the story is like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Eddie can't get the big one done, you know, because this is, you know, it's the same thing Mox did with him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same thing Daniels ended with him and now Joe's doing it with him too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, he has, you know, gotten there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was ring of honor champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was the, the first C2 continental champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they need to do something new as far as, uh, storylines for matches with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he got, I mean, he got rushed into this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hot shotting a title to him right now as much as like I would fanboy over it because I love Eddie Kingston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nope, not the right time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and there won't be a right time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just Eddie is time as far as.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You nailed that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two more things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're of hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That whole scenario right now, hangman cutting a phenomenal backstage promo after he jumped The ops and using the chains and everything saying that of all the like just the grinding that he did and who he defended the title against and who he beat for it and he ended up getting cost the title by hook That might be one of my favorite promos of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he's, he's your guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the head of the company from four good reason.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Even if you take the title off of them, it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's still the man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And oh, you can't remember where you mentioned this, but it's worth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He spent that time away from the ring in the weight room, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's huge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last night showed it like when they use cutting that promo in the middle of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he had a jack and on it first, then he took it off and I just went what in the hell of you been eating dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I just lost my train.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, do you have him as your next real champion?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's like there's there's a hundred percent chance of him being champion in 2026, but Well, yeah, I mean, how soon do you pull that that trigger?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's the question I'm going to follow up with right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do they, who do they go with to wrestle Samoa Joe at worlds end?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'll throw this in too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it is not this coming Wednesday, but the following Wednesday, the dynamite diamond ring tournaments coming back, which signifies, you know who's probably going to win it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know who's probably going to have a title shot coming again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's two that he has in his back pocket, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about MJF.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think, aren't they at one in one, mjf and smojo?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe B.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, mjf beat Joe at grand slam, and then obviously Joe beat mjf for the title at world then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that makes a lot of sense for mjf to get his wind back, become world champion, and then you could have hangman and swirf.

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[SPEAKER_03]: chasing him for twenty twenty six.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a I like that a lot actually in whether or not hangman and Spurve can catch him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You've got, you know, well, I'll spray wait in the wings hopefully for maybe all in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As long as he's healthy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the important part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh oh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the story then told his hangman and Swerve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They finally just start budding heads after a while because they're both chasing the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very last thing we'll talk about here is a w women's tag team championship final which is going to be coming up willow and Harley versus Tony and Mina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got fooled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to apologize everybody out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got fooled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Megan and Marina were going to win after Tony and Mina won that step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should have just stuck with my original prediction of Tony and Mina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Simple and concrete, but they cut a quick little backstage interview last night with the four of them and toasting and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anything to say, correct course here, Tony Meena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Boy, I kind of want them to go with babes of wrath.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'd prefer that over Tony and Meena.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was like, I know you want to, if you really want to establish the tag titles, you put it on your biggest star who's Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: but I just, you know, willow to me is kind of overdue for a spotlight with some gold.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this would be a pretty awesome scenario to do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in Hart, in Hartley's gotten way better, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, her character has been an absolute blast, and that's been locked in for the past year, but I think she's even improved a lot in-ring, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Willow can be the leader of the team, obviously, and I think if you were to go with your scenario there, when they end up losing the tag team titles that Willow can branch off and move into that singles division and get a huge run.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's, you know, that's the thing is do they go with Tony and Mina because maybe Willow will be getting that championship run sooner rather than later, or maybe even just as an opponent

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a history together as partners and as and they had an amazing match it all out in 2024 and it looks like Statt Hater It's the potential worlds and match up there face versus face haters got the win over her so Statt can get it back Seems he missed all the sense in the world there Justin we hit an hour.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we figured a lot of stuff out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like it

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you it's just it's not so much is going on in a w and there's a decent amount going on in w w right now new Japan December it's just been a crazy month yeah it's it's a really fun time to be a professional wrestling fan in the last thing I want to say because I know a lot of people think I'm just an a w mark which you know I am

01:00:06.151 --> 01:00:17.014
[SPEAKER_03]: I really need the AEW table engineers to step up their game because just touching the announced table and it falling apart during Mox Takeshda is unacceptable.

01:00:17.274 --> 01:00:18.036
[SPEAKER_03]: Figure it out guys.

01:00:19.499 --> 01:00:20.060
[SPEAKER_03]: That was bad.

01:00:20.120 --> 01:00:23.788
[SPEAKER_03]: Luckily it stayed up enough that they could still do the spot, but that's embarrassing.

01:00:24.207 --> 01:00:32.642
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, I guess my my last closing point was John Moxley was on commentary first parts of ring of honor final battle already was good.

01:00:33.042 --> 01:00:43.060
[SPEAKER_01]: He was I mean are you surprised I'll never forget the the old light them up during the wheeler you to Rick's arcs match it Russell dream in 2023

01:00:43.124 --> 01:00:47.951
[SPEAKER_03]: I heard we got a knock his fucking head off that he screamed for Nigel during that match.

01:00:48.792 --> 01:00:48.972
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:00:49.473 --> 01:00:49.974
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing.

01:00:50.094 --> 01:01:06.918
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same reason that Danielson works as a commentator is because they're genuine love of the craft of the sport shines through, you know, you can just tell how much they love this thing that they would be doing this even if they weren't getting paid.

01:01:08.060 --> 01:01:09.201
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they 100% well.

01:01:10.263 --> 01:01:10.363
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome time in December.

01:01:12.444 --> 01:01:14.526
[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Drasty will be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming next Sunday when Justin again is another pass with family stuff.

01:01:23.193 --> 01:01:25.015
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish let me be to organize more things.

01:01:25.315 --> 01:01:34.583
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to think both mean my wife's parents for for getting divorced so that we have to do four Christmas's in December so that this has worked out brilliantly.

01:01:36.285 --> 01:01:39.928
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh,

01:01:40.921 --> 01:01:46.166
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that early and your your kids get the get the reap the benefits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, good grief.

01:01:49.268 --> 01:01:52.151
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's the same with my son getting two Christmas's.

01:01:52.271 --> 01:01:56.955
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get him on joyous Christmas day and have him for a full four days.

01:01:56.975 --> 01:02:02.300
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll have to watch worlds end at like the butt crack of whatever time it is.

01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:10.067
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably that night going to have an energy drink at 11 in the evening, just when I come

01:02:10.469 --> 01:02:14.514
[SPEAKER_01]: which actually might not be able to do that because actually know it would be you and me Ryan's going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

01:02:17.457 --> 01:02:18.658
[SPEAKER_03]: Who would that might be tough?

01:02:18.678 --> 01:02:24.805
[SPEAKER_03]: Because again, I've got a Christmas that day, but with a W I might try little bit harder to get it watched.

01:02:25.566 --> 01:02:26.587
[SPEAKER_01]: You would, yes.

01:02:26.607 --> 01:02:32.734
[SPEAKER_01]: So that might be leading on you to carry the show because my eyes will be just kind of heavy raccoony from what happened.

01:02:33.335 --> 01:02:35.638
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll get it figured out over the Christmas break.

01:02:35.698 --> 01:02:37.860
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, lots of uh,

01:02:38.279 --> 01:02:40.182
[SPEAKER_01]: super fun stuff coming down the road.

01:02:40.222 --> 01:02:41.103
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're gonna sign off.

01:02:41.123 --> 01:02:42.785
[SPEAKER_01]: You got any of the last words Justin.

01:02:43.226 --> 01:02:44.748
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on you spurs.

01:02:45.269 --> 01:02:48.974
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes I'm gonna call my shot Vikings.

01:02:49.034 --> 01:02:54.923
[SPEAKER_01]: This is either their last or second to last one of the year I'm rooting for the bears today.

01:02:54.943 --> 01:03:02.934
[SPEAKER_01]: I No, I'm not gonna not gonna make a prediction No, so there's that.

01:03:03.595 --> 01:03:05.518
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, lockside Justin joint

01:03:06.325 --> 01:03:07.975
[SPEAKER_01]: Just see the last guys, that is in episode 403.

01:03:08.256 --> 01:03:13.568
[SPEAKER_01]: A top rope nation, we will see you very soon, have a good night.