John Cena's Final Match Reaction, WWE SNME Review

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[SPEAKER_04]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_04]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to tell everybody, John Cena's career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Supposedly, has just wrapped up his top-rop nation coming at you late on a Saturday night to instantly recap John Cena's final match against Gunther at Saturday night's main event in Washington, D.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got off the bleach report show that I watch along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But on the air for a little over an hour and now we're doing another show, I am ready to go though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing tonight, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You sound fired up tonight, Ryan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got like different hats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told you it had a wardrobe change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got like my lights here in the office on me for less hour and 15 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would 5,000 people watching us on Wechat Report was insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: lot to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So John Cena's last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're wearing the top rotation half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cut six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put my top rotation half back on just a second here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go running grab it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Boss was like, yeah, I was wearing the TRN hat tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go running grab mine too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to we're going to really show the merch tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Find a link down in the description for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so yeah, John Cena's final match, he went out tapping out to Gunther in the main event of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I don't think that that was surprising that he would lose to Gunther Jesse because that's kind of what we've talked about all year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've been saying on the podcast for at least six months, maybe longer, the scene is gonna end up losing to Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in December.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the live crowd was not happy about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were chants, some vile things that your friend Paul Levek, as he came out there after the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess when you think about how much they paid for those tickets, I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also at the same time, I'm like, really, did you really think John Cena was going to win that match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get crowds booing at us and that's what we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just continue to go on about our business and we'll see in 2026 because you're going to continue to pay those prices.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually enjoyed the hell out of this whole card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll just

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely was the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only I'm trying to think of like I'd have to really go back into the Annals of history as to how many guys have walked out of their last match victorious staying obviously being though Really the only one I can think of in the last two decades it has like most people most guys go out lying on their backs This is what's you know wanted

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, show was what Cena wanted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted people from the younger generation to come on and put on performances for this crowd and just show Basically what was what he did in 2002 and that crop a talent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So It this is a huge I think this is a huge plus for the WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the biggest question is can you capitalize on something like this

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did Gunther need this victory tonight over John Cena?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but one thing's for sure you can hang on in his calling card for the rest of his career.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He got to retire Bill Goldberg and John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He can just roll with that moving forward for the next handful of years and

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[SPEAKER_02]: we on the show love him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know about that crowd though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like square peg around hole and we're listening entertainment lower and it's super unfortunate because the guy deserves it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the whole, but I like the way the match was orchestrated too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think from from start to finish and seen a tapping out and he kind of Michael Cole telegraphed at the beginning just saying, Sina has not tapped out in 21 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of knew

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, I mean, got a lot to talk about to your point about wrestlers that have gone out on their backs and the ones who haven't, staying obviously is a recent example, but then at the same time, that was a tag match, you know, and he was partnered with a younger guy in Darby, that, you know, Sting didn't want to go, we know that Sting wanted to lose in his last match, and basically TK insisted that you were going to win your entire tag champs and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, you know, for all, I do not want to defend Triple H. If you listen to the show, you know that I'm not a fan of his booking this year, but at the same time, if you think that this was Triple H's decision, you are sorely mistaken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If John Cena wanted to win that match, he would have won the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena, I guarantee you, wanted to lose that match, and he wanted to put over,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say younger talent, I mean, he's almost 40, but I mean, he's younger as far as WWE top of the card goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and he has a bit in the company that long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I mean, I think it's the right, definitely, I don't know if there's any question it's the right move that he should have lost the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this gives Gunther could be...

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[SPEAKER_00]: almost like a legend kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be his gimmick, the legend killer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about this on VR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned, you know, like he could have in the guy who retired Goldberg and he'd be the guy who retired John Cena and he could be the guy that retired AJ Styles and could be the guy that retired Brock, but like they could do all of that with him if they want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got that going for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also with John, one of the knocks on him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that he hasn't ever really passed the baton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he doesn't really have that moment where he passed it to the next generation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Part of that's because he stepped away so he'd do an Hollywood, you know, and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had the stuff with KO, but ultimately, it kind of elevated KO for sure when he came from NXT, but then ultimately, John won the feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you know, like, when he would work WrestleMania, then he would come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the thing with taker, WrestleMania 34.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he wasn't really working like young, put in over younger people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Austin, there he come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so like, I think this is the right move in that John is passing it on in his last match to a guy who's going to be a face of the company for quite a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should be at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that way, it makes a lot of sense because we just really hadn't seen that from John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to think of other heels that he could have lost to, um, you know, like if Seth hadn't got hurt, but he's wrestled Seth before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they've got a history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a new thing for him to, you know, go up against Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, I would struggle to find people on the heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I bronze breaker would be a name in a few months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like right now, I don't think he's ready for that position yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where the crowd would buy him and seen his final match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't think that that was really a realistic way that they could go about this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I don't think Dom is a guy for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, to me it's a no-brainer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we predicted at least six months ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think the criticism is valid in the way the tap out happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very odd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How I think what you'll have to give me your take on this

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what they are going for is like, okay, he's got me, you know, I'm at peace with my career and I'm tapping out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's kind of what they were going for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm at peace with it, I'm done kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of weird how he smiled as he was supposed to be like getting choked, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that is worthy of some debate, but I don't think, to me there's no debate on the finish, I think that was the right call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the right calling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think the manorisms kind of played the part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you, I think you hit the nail on the head with like what Sina was going for it, just don't think it came across as well as he would have liked it, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's only one other guy that could have retired John Sina and he just so happened to open the card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I ain't talking about the American Nightmare Cody Rhodes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, uh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we'll get to that later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, so I thought the match was pretty good overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was into it through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was one of John's better matches this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When he came back at the start of the year, we talked about on the show, things were rough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't like, look and like the old John scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has some stinkers, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as the year went on, he got better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this could have been a match he had a decade ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it had a good dancing partner

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I really liked the match live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The finishing sequence maybe went on a little long with him fighting off out of the sleeper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, I mean, you got all the spots you would think, you got the A off the second row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got the multiple A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got the multiple closed lines from Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther takes an A.A. on the outside off the steel steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: through the announced position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a while looking spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As he came down, kind of got tangled with John's arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like it had kind of spun a little and a word for a shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, the crowd was super hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fun magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way for John to go out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, trading uppercuts for arms punches in the middle of the range is treating this as a true fight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It started slow in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did enjoy that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther at the edge for the good first half of the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then second half, you know, just started amount is come back because we all know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he's in the crowd even started chanting super scene and I actually was kind of digging that I I really liked I liked how yeah right I liked how this I actually you want to know what I like in this to on x dot com so it's almost like a reverse ECW one night stand 2006 for John Cena when I think everybody in that building wanted him to win and

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about tonight as opposed to 19 years ago when like they would have persecuted him on the spot if he had defeated Rob Van Dam in front of that precious Queen's ballroom or hammerstein ballroom crowd and Brittany Oh, they do in the post shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just want to be A current in Brittany Triple H is getting booed on the post show right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was surprising that crowd was not happy

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, I, I don't know, it must not have been that smart of a crit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like not smart as an IQ, but like wrestling smart because I just thought like everybody thought John was going to lose going in, but they were pissed that he lost that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really, really hot about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, guys, I didn't mention by the way real quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's obviously across the bottom of your video right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And leave us a voicemail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you thought on the show will play some of them if any of you guys want to get involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're like 90 seconds to talk on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to take part in that, go right ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we'll keep talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Jesse, one thing that surprised me on this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did do the video package afterwards, you know, highlighting his whole career went way back to his childhood, even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there was going to be a little more pomp and circumstance when he entered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there was going to be some kind of special video, maybe they'd even play a little ergonomics first and like mix all his themes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the exact entrance he's done all year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The black John Cena, Titan Tron, his regular theme just came on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing special about the entrance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was surprised, WWE usually takes those moments and goes really over the top of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I said, they did do the video at the end, kind of showing his life throughout his whole history and pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and it was color-coded to the blue and red, I think, just what he was wearing in typical 2025 scene of fashion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll probably get into our thoughts on John Cena, a little bit later, but the John Cena that I really enjoyed was like 2003 Thugonomics, John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't mind them even doing like a quick 10 second little plain the beginning of This is basic thug and nomads and then rolling into My time is now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that would have been fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I was hoping for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was really hoping for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he rolled back, uh, well, he rolled back basic ergonomics in a WrestleMania, not long ago, though, correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember which one it was?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that the one in New York?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it sounds like a 35 35 35.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was really, I'll tell you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to bring this up at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is my favorite scene of theme.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one now is iconic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had most of his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, when he debuted with that theme and he's through the wraps, I thought it was a cool thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When on those old video games like SmackDown versus RAW, when I would do create a wrestler, that was always the theme song for my guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just an amazing theme song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when he brought it back, one night, that was pretty awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's how he almost got fired, even set it himself in like 2003.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He almost got fired and then Stephanie McMahon heard him free styling in the back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they turned it into a character and still like one of my personal favorite John Cena moments was at a SmackDown that I was at in Minneapolis and you rolled out to a Marshall Randy Moss jersey that I could not find online anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I looked for months upon months and I.

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[SPEAKER_02]: seen it became my favorite wrestler for probably a good six months because of that like the guy gets pop culture He was just very relatable at that time and the way that he's kind of morphed over the 20 years the reason why I think people didn't really like him is because he always won

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you mentioned that he a lot of young guys didn't get the rub.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see that in the chat quite a bit and he squashed some momentum Absolutely, so at times he's been vilified and at times he's been brazed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's one of the most controversial or I can't even think of you can probably think of a better work than I can He's like one of the most magnifying Figures that we've seen for sure this entry in pro wrestling, but maybe ever

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, polarizing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way I was looking forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% polarizing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was kind of ironic when the crowd was wanting him to come back and they were chanting SuperSena, because SuperSena was like this detrimental term on social media in the late 2000s, because we were all,

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[SPEAKER_00]: sick of it because they've been going on for years and he never lost and you know it's weird to me it's kind of odd I said this on BR when you're evaluating his career because for people like us who are not too far off him and age we didn't like grow up watching him as kids a lot of those pro athletes in the crowd are way younger than us like halibut and was out there you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were kids watching this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that relationship with his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when he debuted in WWE, I was in college, you know, so like, we watched him in different ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was that young adult age, they grew up in the attitude era, and I thought it was cool when it's ergonomics, but then when they kind of team down his character, I was disappointed in that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it got to be like the kind of the same thing over and over the we want wrestling hashtag and the early days of Twitter people were like there's not enough wrestling on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want the guys that can really work, you know, and people are frustrated with John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I didn't really appreciate his career until much later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In that era, I was definitely one of those people who was kind of frustrated in the way that he was booked for sure and I was very bored with the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Years later, I started kind of get it a little more and like watching him more, but in that era, I didn't as much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, if I would have been a little kid watching him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd probably be like, yeah, John Cena is the greatest of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to say that it's it's a show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you evaluate John as far as, is he on the WWE Mount Rushmore?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, here's my opinion on that, it depends where you cut it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking about the national WWE F to WWE period, like starting with Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you start like 1984, and I'm not saying he's my personal favorite wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm this is based on like importance to the company top stars, top guys in the company over that period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think I'd probably go with the foremost important people in the last 40 years in the company are Hogan,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Austin rock scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you include the 70s and you go back to when Vince senior was running it, I don't think he's on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bruno is on there for sure and he bumps John out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think of the last 40 years, I think he is the most important guy in that company in the 21st century for the last 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's the best wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's the best on the mic during that period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the biggest draw on wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, if you look at the different metrics, he's not number one in any of those in the history of the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the biggest draw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the best wrestler, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the best talker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the most charismatic or any of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, I don't actually think he's the goat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think over the last 40 years is one of the foremost important people in the company's history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can be your take.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you rank in the mask and that aspect, yes, I would agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a tap for almost most popular or wrestlers, I think, of the last 40 years in terms of the way he was perceived by the entire fan base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because Hogan could do no wrong in the mid 80s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, thankfully, I mean, that's changed sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Austin and Rock were just huge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See, you know, tonight got that pop that few people get, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's that legendary Mount Rushmore, almost a road warrior pop, pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a breakthrough pop culture figure in a way that those two were for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 110 percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Funny enough, I actually wrote down a whole bunch of wrestlers tonight that I prefer over John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got the list to like 24 people, but we're talking like the tip tops of the rates.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like even I said Brett Hart, Shawn Michaels, the wind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said Austin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said Daniels in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said Sting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, Samoa Joe, even I, to me, I prefer Samoa Joe as an inring performer and just overall what he brought as a character over John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a little bit controversial, but that's just my take on things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think in my lifetime that there's he ranks easily in the top 25.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hardly ever go back and watch scene matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not on my personal favorite wrestlers, not Rush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want people to get this twisted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying like, in most important people in the company's history, as far as wrestlers, I prefer to watch favorite technical wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably not in the top 20 for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: probably not the top 25 to be honest with you, you know, like Brittany said in the chat about Randy Savage, you know, Randy is a definitely a crossover guy for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just wasn't his period on top in WWE is brief, it's like four to five years, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't put him ahead of Sina as far as importance to the company goes and he was always kind of behind Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sina was clearly the guy, you know, for the last 20 years, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I just think his level as far as that pedestal goes and being the face of the company kind of thing, you know, Brett and Sean, they're on top during a period when the company was down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brett was a huge draw in her nationally, helped bridge them to get to that attitude era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe the best worker in the history of the company don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Sina is important as the face of the company for a long period of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Think about what 2000 and 7 to 2010 would have looked like without him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You would have had an over the hill undertaker in John Sina carrying the ball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would have been very curious to see if they would have stuck with Bobby Lashley a little bit longer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he could have gotten into that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just, actually, doesn't have that charisma that John Cena does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously he had the build and they tried it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No six, it just didn't quite click with that audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like we said, like I said, like the doctor of Phukinomics character was cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like that that was super cool to college kids probably cool to adults like yeah so wrapping a wrestler and he's actually coherent all doing it yeah showing off sports jerseys hey sign me up in no and like you said i think his his work is starting to age a little bit better as you go i know Kyle Ross always mentioned the umaga matchup the royal rumble that's actually i'm gonna watch that right before we go to bed

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[SPEAKER_02]: that was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a lot of memes with John Cena and JBL.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember what match it was, but like both those dudes were bleeding buckets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a match that's on my list for tomorrow to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he does have some stuff that you can go back and go, yeah, this, this is good in any era.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you look at that era that he pretty much was specialized in, we'll say from 2006

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[SPEAKER_02]: There really wasn't much else there at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he kind of carried what we would say is either a transitional period in wrestling or almost a dead period.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people that you and I know Ryan stopped watching wrestling in 2008 to 2011.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, 100% I agree with everything you said there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's another guy you can consider for that mile rush where I think it's Andre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's at the end of his career, but star power wise was gigantic for, I think he's just like just off of that top four for me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting conversation, and I think as the years go on, if the show keeps going, it's one of those things where we could always kind of talk, we like talking history and where people rank in history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, probably need to do a John Cena fantasy draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've done a fantasy draft in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you a question kind of along those lines of favorite John Cena moments because Jeremy asked me on the BR show tonight when I was kind of talking about oh, I can't believe they didn't do a special entrance tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a favorite John Cena entrance?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Any that come to mind?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably going to make you smile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine I think it's is it was it oh six the WrestleMania one when CM Punk was one of the The gangster one of the gangsters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that might be his most iconic entrance for selfish reasons and people who truly know me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I loved his O6 ECW one night stand for man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mentioned the Maynia 22 in Chicago with the gangsters and then coming out the Tommy gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See him pun before a lot of the fans knew him on the side of the old car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, man, when he came out at the Hammerstein Ballroom with the spinner belt and the crowd was just throwing stuff out of the whole time and then he throws his shirt to the crowd and they throw the shirt that that was incredible that was that's my favorite of all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that was another thing that bothered me though, too, to be honest with you about Sina was the spinner belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated the spinner belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated it so much because they went from that undisputed title they had was a great belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one that Eddie had, they had one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of their top titles ever, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they went to that and I was like, oh my god, it's so tacky and terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they had it for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I don't know, five, six years at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they had in 2011, you know, when punk won it at money in the bank's eight, probably old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was five years after Mania, 22, and he had it there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So long time, I hated that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of was one of those things where I'm a traditionalist and I like the wing deagle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys see it back there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like the undisputed title, like the Big Eagle Bell, and then they went to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of like made me not like seen a drink that era too, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of things that I had to look past until I find it was like, all

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good worker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets the business, you know, and started to appreciate him later on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Another high honorable mention, I think this was 2008, Royal Rumble, Madison Square Garden, coming back from his peck injury with like four and a half months when he should have been gone for double the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I popped on the track that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think those are probably my top three that I can think of off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But another one to 2011 money in the bank, Chicago, Illinois, can see him punk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you're just getting booed out of the building again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like I'm hawking too much merchandise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to switch hats here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of top-rope nation gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can support us and get some gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lick down here in the broadcast description.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to change my hats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as you continuously do a little wardrobe change, I will, uh, I'm going to need a Boca Chica Margarita before I can watch a John Cena vs. Great Colleen Match at one night's stand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to need a little bit of alcohol just to get that one going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have not seen that one in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I believe you, that it probably was the great colleagues best match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take your word for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that UMAGA match at the rubble is a great one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember Kyle bringing that up on the show years ago, and I was like, really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really remember that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went back and watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, that's probably an underrated one for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see Kevin mentioned the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: UMAGA should have been championed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He liked him a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I liked to match a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As a fun night, I mean the video afterwards was nice, of course hunter had to get in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you got Cody and Punk, Cody and Punk came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put their titles on his shoulders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a cool moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ring was surrounded by like every talent, every writer out there, recognize some of the writers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bruce Pritchard was out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Michaels was out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no reason honoured you to be other than all other stands up on the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you know, and he embraced John and then he directed him towards the video feed

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[SPEAKER_00]: They played this like career look back, which was nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they played an old video of Vince talking in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Briefly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell if something was recorded years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go back and watch that was the only time, John really got emotional in the whole video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of stunned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he kind of teared up when Vince was on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make of that what you want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the only, otherwise he was pretty stoic watching the video feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had it like split screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could see John's reaction in the video

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hunter also opened the show for those keeping score at home with the voiceover of the opening video of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was on there a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're used to that by now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: D.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rightfully booed the hell out of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got booed bad when he came out at the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I mean, that was they were not happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got a horrible response for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because it weren't a standing FU, Paul or FU triple like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they kept, every time the crowd chanted something with the, had a swear word in it, they were editing it and I was thinking, like, come on, this is on a paid streaming service.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's another point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This wasn't even on NBC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, like they're leaving peacock, you know, so I guess NBC still could have put it on there if they thought it was gonna be a big enough draw for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know WBE had wanted this to be on NBC proper months ago and they weren't able to work out a deal for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, John's final match, just on peacock, um, in that way, don't kind of feel like when they announced it was going to be his last year in the business, they should add a retired WrestleMania, just like say next year's WrestleMania is my last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just the way it happened on a serenice main event on peacock was a little anti-climactic I know they theme the whole show rather than everything but it feels like it should have been on a bigger show like in a stadium or something I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, we 100% agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to get in front of a of a paid audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be willing to bet they would have gotten some pretty solid numbers, some new subscribers to ESPN to watch that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, those are my instant thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else you want to say on the match, worry briefly, cover the rest of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me check the notes to see if there was anything that I missed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did like all of the mashing elbows from Gunther before he finally locked on that final sleeper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then with Sina kissing the mat at the end and saying, that's all I had while the crowd is chanting bullshit was kind of funny to me kissing the Saudi Arabia logo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he probably wasn't thinking about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just the Madden general, but ironically he was kissing the Saudi Arabia logo and the last Saturday night's main event didn't have the Saudi Arabia logo on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were happy about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It cut down on the ads a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did get minute made all over the ring canvas this time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And only one person brought out the juice tonight, the hard way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody cut his ear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Little brutal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw some people bash an oboe about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They was working on safe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that one opened the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can talk about that one next unless you have anything else on John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been riffing for like 32 minutes on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'll add on to something Brittany just said about

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[SPEAKER_02]: I listened to Chris Van Blitz's full interview with John Cena at one point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked Chris Van Blitz, my opinions changed on him a little bit since then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually thought the interview wasn't too bad, and a lot of the clips that were thrown in there were obviously just shade at John, but there was a handful of things in there that I really appreciated about what he or just some of the things that he stood for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's probably a middle ground between the 225 dates and the 36 that the WWE ended giving him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For what it sounded like he was going off in filming movies here in the middle of 225 as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's kind of BS that those 225 dates were a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even run that many shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw it when he said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't run that many shows anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's thinking of the old days, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he drove his that and then the one thing that I loved and I mean, this is just me with the shoot job part was him just saying like I should have gone out a year ago he's like I'm I'm 48 years old now he's like I want to still I wanted I can still do this but this is like all I have that's what I said after the summer slam match that's all I have it's time for us to start passing the torch to these younger people he said he talked to AJ and he says AJ winner like

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, how long are you going to keep doing this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: AJ looked at him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, I'm 48.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes me forever to get warmed up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes forever for me to cool down and recover and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is pro wrestling is a young person's business, just with all the bumps and the bruises and everything that goes into it in the travel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're in your mid mid 40s, mid to late 40s, still trying to hang on, you can't do it like you used to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John acknowledged that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I give him tremendous kudos for doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wish that world wrestling entertainment would have would follow through on this and just start giving these younger talents like they did tonight a chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I trust them to do that moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have a weird feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a one-off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about one of those younger talents, Jesse, because we saw Oberfemi in the opening match, the NXT champion, taken on Cody Rhodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think both of us are high in Oberfemi, thinking he can be a big star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was pretty vocal on our social fees that I thought he should beat Cody in this match to make him look special right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was looked pretty dominant out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was thrown Cody around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came off like a big time star sold out show in 19,000 people there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then he didn't win nor did Cody win because we got an interference spot from Drew McIntyre attack and Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it, you know, Cody got thrown through the announced table and cut open as a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was bleeding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I guess I mean, I understand the logic in that they probably didn't want to be Cody, but they didn't want to be at Ober.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that Cody loses nothing like if he lost to Oberfemi, I think Cody's a made man and it would do nothing harmful to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy who's like, made of it in WrestleMania every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is going to have WrestleMania at WrestleMania, it's seeming like right now or that's the rumor at least three times, you know, same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do something fresh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that that was a cowardly way out to do an interference spot in the first match of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just put over Obofemi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like a million bucks out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like a dude who could absolutely obliterate Cody in a fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked the match up till the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was cowardly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the logic in it, you know, from their perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I wanted to see Oboa actually win the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a non-title match, so it was super easy to go that route.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I think you, it'd be really cool for a John Cena's last match to say that a 26-year-old comes on and defeats the WWE undisputed universal champion in his first official main roster match.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that right there automatically puts him like near near the top and it's almost as big as actually retiring John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a couple steps below because you just got to win over the present world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, I think they they didn't put themselves in a rock in a hard place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think with with giving this match and just saying they're not being or excuse me,

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[SPEAKER_02]: not having Oberwind this or I mean, if Cody would have won, I mean I suppose it makes sense but like Oberdominated is one way that you can paint this story because like Angle and Sina back in 2000 and to you Angle won the match I believe on an Angle lock if I remember that correctly back in June of 2002 so

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the wrong way to go about the ending of this match was how they did it and having drew in her fear because we've said it for the last couple of months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why should we care about your Mac and Tyre when he's lost 18 of his last link in title matches?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a contender.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, again, it was a pretty good match, but that no, no contest DQ finished kind of cowardly way to go about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think in their mind, they're probably thinking like, oh, maybe if we bring them up, they can wrestle at Summerslam next year and we can play on this, that nobody beat the other guy, you know, I think that that's how they're probably thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that that's cowardly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: put the guy over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's tons of eyeballs in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the night of John Cena's last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, break the mold a little bit, do something different in this company that's creatively been pretty bland over the last several months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, give us a reason to tune in, put over this young guy, change it up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we didn't get that, but I'd like to see more of Obafemi on the main roster sooner rather than layers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dude has everything you want in the top guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you can talk show that the night before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So also a couple of things on the people who attended the show tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like Jesse Ventura was out there on the pre show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: bad graces again, because he said something about how John was in 17-time champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he lost it 17 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You really want to brag about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie McMahon was all over this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was lots of, and you know, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know what people think of her and everything, but like she was instrumental in John's career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the story about her hearing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: him freestyle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he got the push initially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she didn't hear that, he wouldn't have got the push, he might have been out of the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't hitin' before that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I made sense to have her on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, we didn't get in any of the political figures that were rumored for this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: None of that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might, you know, I could have seen where they wouldn't have anyone from politics attend, but they might put them in the video package.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get that either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one photo of him back John Backstage with Linda that was out there on social media, but she was not part of the broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and nobody else was either if you're wondering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So none of those people were there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, honest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, although Justin joint was at home, hoping they would be because we had mentioned on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's certain person was on this broadcast, we might not talk about WWE anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyway, actually here, what would you put Vegas odds at, get just enjoying actually watches parts of this card, I bet he will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to want to see seen his last match, and I think curiosity will capture his attention for that opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he hears us talking about it and here's a spoiler on the finish, we still put over the obelik really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to want to see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd was pro obelik.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like 64 de obelik would you say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they found that up with Bailey and Soul Ruka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was the lock of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the argument that you put over, you have Cody Luzo, but for me they didn't do that, but this one I thought was a no-brainer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bailey losing to Soul Ruka is definitely gonna happen and it did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey man, she looked awesome out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She hit that hand spring flip dive to the outside, perfectly, she got her finish in which is great looking move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they pretty much nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was a very good match with the right result with Soul Rooka going over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you think?

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[SPEAKER_02]: the perfect dance partner, Bailey is like the consummate professional.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She could easily, I still think she could easily be at the top of the WWE's women's division, but I mean her just playing this role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially with what she did with is it that was it called lackstead or what's the name of her project that she just did recently Where she's getting all this young talent involved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean give her all the kudos in the world for that So she had no problem putting over who

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where to put her in the hierarchy of all the young NXT women that are down there right now, but I mean me personally, I see a lot of dollar signs in her if she can continuously develop a character because nobody on that roster has athleticism like she does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm saying that like backhand, I don't even know how to describe it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the backflips perfectly timed over the top row backflip was

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[SPEAKER_00]: crazy looking like that was Oscay special that made the great Sasuke himself lush yeah I mean she hit it absolutely hit it perfectly you know she was she was a gymnast at the University of Oregon so I mean she's obviously got that background and you know when she hits the soul snatcher that that move at the end just freaking out look look to great you know so she hit that

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then they had like this exchange of roll-ups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she had the soul snatcher, got the pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good stuff, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what I think is fantastic and what a lot of people criticize, I'd say, like the high flying stuff for is not a bit of a choreograph.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looks just really well timed and I think it also, again, it helps having Bailey in there in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you had somebody who was a little bit less experienced, I don't think that person would have been in the right spots and known what to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's what made this match to me super crisp.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like this whole night was that way So yeah, I really enjoyed this match to who she also had a cartwheel like on the top rope into a DDT And did a did a handstand head scissors move crowd was very into her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean she's she could be on the main roster this week She's ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's absolutely ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right result.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the tag match did not live up to my expectation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Had some blown spots, even AJ styles like slipped going for the phenomenal forum, fell to the mat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't so great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also didn't go very long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you had AJ styles and dragantly taken on Javane Evans and Leon Slater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Javane Evans, of course, from NXT and Slater

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that these four might tear the house down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fine match, but it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my, yeah, definitely my number four match in the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I like all three out, all three of the other matches much more than I like this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: it was number four of the match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was too short.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a slight bit sloppy, but you'd also saw glimpses of greatness, I think, from even all four of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were times where styles looked like I even wrote in the notes that he was moving around like it was in 2017-2018.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You almost have to, with two 21 year olds in the ring like that, and Giovanna Evans hitting one of the craziest top rope cutters I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the height he got on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's he and Soul Rooka are easily the two most athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're the two most athletic performers down in NXT.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could almost almost the entire main roster so fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Leon Slater, by the way, he's going to get stolen from TNA in the next six months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, right, he's on the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who, I can't remember it didn't take notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who died in the corner to the outside that looked pretty awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Leon slater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's that Leon?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he used a springboard, the top turn buckle, just a little bit, but did like a nice little corkscrew twisted into, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, and then Javan hit one of the highest frog splashes I've ever seen, playing Kudos to one of my all-time favorite Rob Van Damos in the crowd by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, thought that part was awesome, Dragon Lee hitting a shotgun, dropkick too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pover.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, there were glimpses of greatness in that my times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit sloppy, a little too short.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also think that is a testament to how I thought good, the other three matches were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we got a super chat shout out to Brittany, $1.99 supporting my favorite podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you, Brittany.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brittany was one of those bleach report.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Watchers that we got to migrate from my Bluetooth report shows over to TRN and she's pretty much always Students in so we've definitely appreciate Brittany Brittany.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you follow me on Instagram She'll be a DM because I think I want to give you a free month of our Patreon So you can check that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll send you a link to get our Patreon for free for a month and if you like it Keep on as a paid user if not just check it out for a month I want to give you a month free as a thank you for your super chat So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, really appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do the same thing for anyone else watching if you want to send a super chat, but Brittany's been a great supporter of ours over the last few months, and I want to thank you with some bonus content from TRN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So shoot me a DM on Instagram.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get your email.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get that sent over to you tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we truly appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're actually happy to be on the air tonight because we are going to have a very difficult time doing this tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't done a late weekend show after immediately after our show in a long time because usually like I don't like to because I do the bleach report shows and then I'm like a little tired and look I call Jesse the wrong name for God's sake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we're talking to Jeremy for an hour and a half, but it's like tomorrow is just the schedule wasn't going to work that early as we could have done the show if we waited would have been late tomorrow night and by then seen his last match everyone has talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to talk about it when it was fresh in our memory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we decided to stay up a little later and go on the air tonight and also, of course, push us out to the podcast listeners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can listen to it in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My week's been hellish, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm being 100% honest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've had a sick kid and man, it's the worst sick kids or the worst.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll helpless can't do anything about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's one to one in this household.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when there's two of you, we know there are three kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think being outnumbered kids to parents ratio was a sounds like a humongous nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's I don't deal with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got three kids and it's zone defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the only way man That was like that was like the whole thing when we were like I do we would have a third child is like right now It's one on one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a third kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna play his own and we decided to do it and it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, crazy around the household, but I was wrestling all three of my kids this afternoon to get ready for Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's main event and my youngest reckless abandoned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll just jump on me knees first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My other two are like a little careful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll just run up out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be laying on the ground dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll just drop double knees on me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like Jesus, give me, let me dance get an old, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let me get off the ground here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got the next people Mike Bailey on our hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not even a time to talk about that tonight But the C2 has been incredible and I was I watched that this afternoon too I was so I was so behind on my A. W. I think I told you that Like I hadn't seen Fletcher and Bailey and told us that I just watched it this afternoon

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got the Tony Romo button.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You should probably say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, all right, I got to see this, this speedball Mike Bailey and Kyle Futcher, matching the C2 everybody's talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched it and dude, I was just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like that, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll blow it to somebody you're own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What'd you think of that match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I liked it a lot, Tony.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I liked Eddie Kingston and Samoa Joe a lot too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's so much to like on just wrestling in general, but especially AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was I really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been very critical of WWE of late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a fun show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know overall, I'd probably give it a break of it a B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you give it a night?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go higher than you and a big reason I'm going to go higher and what booted it up from a B plus 2 and A minus was Paul getting booed by the watch it did DC crowd mercifully A minus I had so much fun yeah I'll go B plus I got to watch that post show press conference though because man he was feeling the heat maybe he will think twice about going out in front of the crowd

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nah, you won't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can hope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could downgrad it to a B plus because there wasn't a match of the year contender, but there wasn't a stinker in there at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like in the running for Sena's best match of this run, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like it was, it was south, really south.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember which match I scored in the highest, at least on the Patreon this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, it was, it's up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, I mean, that's when I would revisit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I will revisit, I might revisit this whole card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to take a little bit just because of the craziness of the holidays and such.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got classics coming up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know that's going to take my full focus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but yeah, definitely worth going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you, Brittany.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's on the mend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just have seen things that I've never seen out of him in the last couple of days and that kind of terrifies you as a parent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think well summer slam I gave Cody and and Cena three and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that mean that was a decent score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember what I gave if I scored a punk and Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is it's definitely like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to think about it a little bit, but I'd like to more than seen a styles, which was a little overrated to me because they were just playing tributes to everybody else's finishers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it looked good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, this was actually a match and had good sequence and the crowd was red hot for this match made it that much better to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, did I not give star ratings for night of champions?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to look it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was in Saudi, I wouldn't have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought I still did ratings on that show, but uh, maybe I did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you might instant reaction is that this was seen as best match of 2025, but the straightforward from you, would you say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to better than.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the second Cody match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the first Cody match at Russell Mania started good and then it just fell apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Summerslam match was a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked the punk match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the best one though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably go for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay tuned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might put out some ratings on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Highly entertaining, and I think what really made this entertaining, I said it before, I'll say it again, was just the influx of new people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope they continue down this road across my fingers, but well, that's what made it more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the shows have felt so stale, but when I heard that they were bringing up all these NXT talent, and you know, apparently it was seen as idea to have NXT talent on the show, but he didn't pick out who that was not love loved up to him, but he said he wanted some of those NXT talents like on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So credit to him for that, because it made the show feel fresh

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I enjoyed that definitely definitely a fresh a fresh way of viewing this product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So guys, I think we're in a wrap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've podcasted well over two hours tonight and I need to get some sleep just and easy to get some sleep so you can hear it's sick child.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, another 13 more hours and then I get a what would that be?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost 24 hour lay off and then right back I had it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So guys, yeah, if you want to support us, you can join the Patreon page, you can scan that QR code is put up on the screen right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Best way to support us, bonus content going up every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just see does a weekly podcast on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do maybe like once a month, sometimes twice a month T.R.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and extras on there as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then all three of us, just included, do top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: classics every single month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We go retro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We go two plus hours on an old event from the month that we're recording on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're a little late because it's getting to the holiday season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We still have to do our November classics, which is coming up this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go back in time to do clash of the champions 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's coming at you Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's the night we're going to be doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, there's God, there's over 230

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can dive in the minute you sign up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do merge giveaways on there as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I post my mat ratings on the PLEs and paper views.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a lot of benefits, best way to support the show, make sure that this one continues into the future and become a patron would love to have your support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, we'll be back next weekend here on the main feed to make sure you're subscribed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You like this video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow Jesse and I and social.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow the show on social media pretty much everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any parting words, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin is probably going to carry classics because it's like his all-time favorite show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should just do no notes and be like, Justin, I took no notes, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all and you're you're you're leading this one crash to the champ crash the champion 17 lead the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's contagious in this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you tell Kyle to just go do his thing, he'll go do his thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If we tell you Ryan, like this, we know the show at the back of your hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You go do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse, if this is your show, you go do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, this is your show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we will be there for moral support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're not familiar with Clash of the Champion 17, November 1991, this is what we're going to be talking about Thursday night on the Patreon side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lex Luger and Rick Steiner, Rick Rude and Sting, Brian Pillman versus Johnny B. Badd, Dustin Rose and Ricky Steemboat against Arn and Larry Zabisco, Kactus Jack and Van Hammer, Steve Austin and PN News, Z-Man, Tom Zank and the Diamond Studd,

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[SPEAKER_00]: big Josh and Tommy rich.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, none of these matches are overseeing their welcome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of big names, especially at the top of the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's going to be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're not going to spoil anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say something, but no, I'm not going to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be we'll be coming actually this week on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for staying up late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me tuned in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brittany, get a hold of me for that Patreon code.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate your super chats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate everyone else who tuned in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we will catch you all again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you take care of everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you think you're uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Word life, this is basic thought economics, this is basic thought economics, word life I'm one touchable, what I'm for, this is your fear, word life, this is basic thought and thought, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm for, what I'm

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can add them, heavy weight up there to hold a chance for ransom The Michael Paul