PAC Tribute, Our Incredible AEW All Out Experience

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[SPEAKER_03]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_03]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good morning everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been so 425 of top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're still going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just maybe not as frequently as we were before, but we had we had a heck of a weekend last weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We wanted to talk with all of you about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All three of us had the chance to attend all out in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: first time Jesse Justin and myself have met up in person and quite a long time had the blast and then obviously things took a turn the following day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot to discuss highs and lows, but we wanted to do it all with you here on a Saturday morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Got my coffee, got my T-R-N mug ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse Velasquez, how you doing this morning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a five-year-old present, but I'm going to say it anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good to see your face after, you know, seeing you last weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had some fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a definite much needed escape from reality for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This we're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have a very happy five year old dancing in the middle of my living room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't make you smile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How you doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice shirt this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, sir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, do an all right, considering for our listeners, this could be a pretty noisy episode of top rope nation, because obviously Jesse's there with his kid, minor upstairs being quiet at the moment, fingers crossed, but I also could possibly have some light construction literally right outside my window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So me and Jesse might be on mute a lot for this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're getting ready to start in Justin's like, well, didn't know this was going to happen since a picture is construction equipment, right outside like, yeah, it's been crazy here in Iowa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it has been raining almost every single day for like two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not kidding you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been hard to mow hard for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those construction guys to get in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll do our best here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got people in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Hope, the TRN Trinity Unite, Eric, checkin' in, we got, this is Matthew, I love everybody, I'm guessing that's Matthew, Ginger Snaps, we got, hopefully, Tim Jensen will be checking in too because our friend, Tim Jensen, the designer for Top Rope Nation, he went to Chicago with us and before I forget, I want to show this off on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because Tim printed this, it is like a belt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is on, it says, I don't know what this is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this plastic?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's heavy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Tim Jensen doing the work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And naturally, we forgot to take it to the shelf.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was in the car a whole time, but Tim made that one of the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: definitely throw a shout out for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we appreciate all you tune in and live this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, when we do these morning shows, they usually do better audience because we have such a high contingent of viewers over in the UK.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So really cool to see, you know, some of those like John Hope popping in there is Tim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you guys hit the like button.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get this show out to as many people as possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't been as regular lately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, through the fall, it's going to be probably a little bit sporadic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse talked about this on unplugged for our patrons recently, but I've just had a bunch of opportunities in the fall space that I needed to see through this fall, and so I kind of told the guys, and I made a post about this on Patreon, so the patrons know about this, but I wanted to send it out to all the listeners, so because you've probably been wondering, where the heck of these guys been?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So...

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing two bear shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing bears overbears and a new project called bears by seven with one of my all time favorite sports writers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when I was present with that opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely wanted to see what would come of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so obviously that's been taken up a lot of my time football season super busy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm going to be doing that pretty much full-time popping on TRN when I can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jessie and Justin are probably going to do shows themselves a little bit more frequently, and then I'll be on here and there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I told them for the classic shows we do for Patreon, which I know we're behind on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would do all of those throughout football season, and then, you know, once the springtime hits or late winter, you know, I would be back full-time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, this one I definitely wanted to be on, like I said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all went to Chicago, we had a blast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We planned it all summer long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin Tim and I went out there on Friday evening and then Jesse met us drove down from the Twin Cities on Saturday and man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know where to begin, but I just wanted to let people know that's where I've been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where the show has been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look for more episodes coming at you, just might be a little sporadic throughout the fall, but keep spreading the word, you know, tell your friends, subscribe to the channels, all that stuff we always say here on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, where do we, where do we begin about our all-out weekend?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, what do you want to meet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, I learned, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should say I learned and learned some valuable lessons and had another one solidified in those three lessons are never asked your Uber driver what their longest ride is number two dentistry is a scam and number three life is precious and not to be taken for granted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Justin J.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pack there in that order, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Front Jason Smith's discussion we had about dentistry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Much of the shagrant of Glenn Jacobs at the pre-show gathering before all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Should be shoot, this is gonna be a very loose show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna talk about just, you guys like us, you tune in because you like us, our personalities, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We wanna just give you a window and know what the weekend it was like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And some of it's gonna be wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it is not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll just start out by saying Justin Tim and I went to a brewery called More Brewing in Bartlett, Illinois on Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I drove a solid Chicago, but we're on a brewery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't wanna drive, so we got an Uber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were driving there, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we were sitting at the brewery, we're talking about, what is the longest you think someone's ever taken in Uber?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Justin and Tim actually looked it up, but we were talking about, how much would it cost to go back to Galena where we had stopped for lunch and in Western Illinois and stuff like that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we get in the car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, take it away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How did this conversation with you with this driver go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I usually try to make some light conversation with my Uber drivers and, you know, unless the conversation is flowing, just, you know, between whoever I'm with and I just ask him, I'm like, hey, what's been your longest ride you've ever had to take?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that dude looked at me,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was blue she and the blues brothers asking how much for the children, how much for the children.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a gasped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just and he was just immediately like no speaking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was at the beginning, very beginning of the ride and the next 20 minutes was the quietest ride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've ever quietest in awkward ride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've ever had in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just stared out of my window the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's one other piece to this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had on the most like over the top Christian radio too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I text the just at one point in the awkward silence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're kind of radio or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm sitting right behind Justin and it's like slow motion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin's looking over the driver and he's like, yeah, what's your longest Uber?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy just kind of quick looked at him and then he did a slow turn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he had this look on his face like he was almost scared.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, yeah, like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was just in Justin and it's got like locked eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm in the back seat like trying to not laugh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm staring out the window just the whole time like holding my bottom lip like, oh my goodness, it was so funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't get out of that car quick enough and I I wonder like if that's code word for like something illegal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know man Oh, it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was a as Tim said slow head turn weekend highlight that was ridiculous Oh, man one other real quick thing

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[SPEAKER_01]: whoever the person was that made barn doors trendy for bathrooms needs to be pardoned and shamed across America because I just don't understand that design.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is just awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you go on a bathroom, you want the door to seal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the very least, there should be a vent in there for little extra noise, but now, bathroom with a barn door in no vent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice hotel, other than that, and we found out later, we were staying at the same hotel as the talent, which we thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, especially two arenas near the, or two hotels near the Naurina, where AWS runs a lot of the time in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've stayed at the other one, this time I stayed at the Marriott.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I bet this is where the talent stays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we saw kind of like a tour bus outside, and so we figured they probably bust the talent over the arena, which is about a mile from that arena, maybe a little less from the hotel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And after the show, we were in the lobby after walking back, Jesse's good buddy on Draw Day walks past us, right into the hotel bar, post show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we didn't stick around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had to get up early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to get back for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I play my daughter was in on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But definitely the talent we're at at that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, what we did know at the time is when I draw a walk pass us final final opponent of pack and we had witnessed packs final match earlier in the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I just a crazy turn around from having a blast with you guys to see in that news probably Sunday evening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, we want to like we want to hit the highs before we get to that because it's I mean, so it's tough to talk about, but I mean, the show itself had a blast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I put out my star ratings for a patrons as usual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Long obviously they did this pre show party.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've never done this before this block party like at least they've never done Chicago across from the now arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were able to get over there with some buddies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I mentioned, Jason, Matt's was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jason, nephew was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jason, brother was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was a good time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Had some beers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The drastic express and jump on a golf cart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, past childhood on the way over there and got some merch before we got into the arena because it was less of a line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I picked up some stuff there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had a they had an all-out jersey that was bears colors almost like the bears throwback jerseys and I was like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably never going to wear this, but I got to get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I bought it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably wear it at the next show I go to in Chicago, but it was just kind of a cool momentum of going to that event and, you know, we get in the arena seats, Jesse, do you like the seats?

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[SPEAKER_00]: very much so but i was a little bit confused because at first i thought it they were like the best seats we ever had and then tim gently reminded me that oh we were actually a little bit further up because remember moxley like was in our faces so yeah i love the seats i think with the elevated floor to help us out the the vision was so much better yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were like, just kind of left of the ring from our focal point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did see on the packed tribute show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys see yourselves on there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh, missed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when they showed some highlights of, I might have had the very beginning of the show, when they showed, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the Osprey match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a point where they zoom in on Osprey and like slow mo and you to a right behind him, like Justin, your white TRN hoodie stands out perfectly, but you can't see me because I'm to the right adjusting, but you two and Tim are on their very, very clearly right behind Willos cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I should have taken a screenshot of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I definitely prefer those slightly elevated seats just because you can see the ring area around the ring a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For instance, like during Will Osprey's very long assassins Creed entrance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't remember if I nudged Ryan or Jesse because I was sitting between them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, look at the death writers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were all just down there doing pushups all together during the entire entrance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: screwing around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been in my hide of the entire night was just an elbowing me about four or five times when operators must come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yep, I'm getting hype.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to do this one last year and yeah, super fun made event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I agree with you guys on the on the seats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, you always want to be a little bit elevated, you know, so so you can see better because if you're on the ground, it's just so I've I've sat on the ground, unless you're in the first maybe two to three rows, let's see it's are awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to be down there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always thought to go for the lowers that are just a little bit up in the air and we were like seven rows off the ground, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're very good seats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should also say, I don't think I even told you guys this, if you are going to a show and you're sitting along the aisle, you need to expect that you're gonna be standing up and down throughout the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to go up once to get a beer, I went up once to go to the restroom and on my last time back, I mean, politis possible the entire time was like, sorry, this should be the last time and I swear to God, one of those ladies said, I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, ah, and they didn't really register until I sat down otherwise I probably would have said something back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you got to expect that when you're on an aisle seat with how many people to the left view like we were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some odd people around us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have that a ruts link show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some corny dudes in front of us, that's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they wanted on Draw Day to take out those pants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a chant throughout the entire arena that they started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It started in the row right in front of us early in the match where they're like take off your pant what I don't even know about their chance take your pants off take your pants off that started the guys sitting on those people all the time because we had the meat people in 2023 that was like three rows off to the left of us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Hope who's attended all in at Wembley says that goes double for stadium shows when you're talking being on the ground no question about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess stand out moments from the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, I think we were all pretty much on the same page on our highlight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, for me, match the night pretty easily was the trio's title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't think the crowd was any more electric than it was for that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And holy smokes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the the the the break in case of emergency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have with hangman and swerve is absolutely incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After that, I would say, uh, Champo Cata.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the women's tag title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've still been sitting on a pat, obviously is going to resonate a little differently, even though even in the moment it was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still kind of trying to work around my feelings with the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it was definitely worked like a moxley match and not in Osprey match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jay even mentioned in our discord how it made sense because Osprey lost at dynasty that felt more like an Osprey match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this time he Osprey worked more moxley style to try and kind of beat him at his own game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it felt like a modern WWE main event just a ton of run-ins and a

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, selfishly, I for Jesse's sake, I was hoping for more just a, you know, a normal Osprey match, but it was still good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, it's tough for those two guys to have a bad match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish it wasn't such a, a, a hot podge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse, yeah, you got your Osprey jersey on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you get that at the show, by the way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Tim and I made a little trade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had an extra, as you know, I brought them both with the Minnesota Twins Luchem asks from the show I went to in July.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this is why I ended up with good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I got a picture of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to put on the screen in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put, you go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that event, it flew for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, some people are like, this is super long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people were, I mean, not just us, but yeah, we're used to it at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was actually the only one of us that didn't get up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wasn't, I think I had a October fest, like a half hour before we went into the stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, overall, I think top to bottom, the card was solid and I absolutely adored the trio's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bandito, I think Ryan even mentioned it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yeah, you're the one who mentioned it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bandito, pound for pound is the strongest dude in the world in professional wrestling of the area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, some of the stuff he did, I think that payoff, or like this time around, when SWORD was standing on his shoulders and instead of SWORD doing the hook kick, Bandito hit

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[SPEAKER_00]: crowd absolutely lost it there was just so many moments and it seemed like all six guys had a dance partner he had coffee with Bandito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the Austin Creed Brody king stuff for what that was uh awesome just trying to uh like display that hey I got a little bit of strength too and he just couldn't get at him and finally towards a tail indie did and of course Swerve Hangman with that yeah that was easily I think the yeah the crowd was absolutely

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think a lot of times in Chicago, especially if they hit a fever pitch for Hangman when he's involved, 2022, Ryan, you'll remember Hangman and Omega in the, in the trio's, the inaugural title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Omega and Hangman were tangling crowd stood up on their feet probably one of the loudest responses on the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Hangman is still that main character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I want to go back to Ocada Champa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, the crowd was a little bit, they were sitting throughout and then they got to the corner when Chomp was wife, which by the way, she was a former tough enough contestant, which I didn't realize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jessie is her name as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then her eight-year-old daughter must have been her birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, as soon as Ocada gives the double birds, uh, the daughter looks at that Jessie and says, can I and boo, beautiful birds?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd and that happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that match secretly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, if it wasn't for their trio's, what have been match at the night?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they didn't abuse finishers in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the rainmaker was missed like seven or eight times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Champa hit a knee once, maybe twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But and they also got the crowd to buy in, which including me, there was a time I was like, is this really going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oca to pull it off at the end, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were a lot of really good memories and, uh, I guess I'll tie it in now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember towards the end of the Osprey, Moxley matchman, Osprey finally won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I look over at Justin and I say, I never saw on Drawdown Pack leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, oh, they escape through the back and I was just like, oh, like, that's a bummer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could go back and see that here later on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I should went back and watch that to see where he left and, uh, it's kind of a bittersweet moment,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, your first time seeing us by work in person, which was very cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with what a lot of you said about the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the aftermath, like when I first watched it, I liked the closing half of the match a lot because even though there was a lot of finishers and stuff, it just kind of felt like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're really trying to get you to buy in that Osprey can lose even though obviously he wasn't going to lose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciated early how they worked a totally different style of match because you had just come off the ladder match so they didn't go right into the high spots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to kind of settle it down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that like that was good strategy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also as was mentioned here in the chat, it was almost like Osprey to work all the different versions of John Moxley throughout the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, in the end, I think the interference spots is maybe a bit much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't, this was not like in my top three matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I had to choose a top match, it'd be the trio's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that match was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dave gave it five stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I gave it four and a half, which is pretty high, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually, um, I gave Ocata and Champa four and a half also on our Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought those two were just neck and neck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: top two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Chomp is daughter to do what she did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just the timing with the double birds and ask your mom and like not cracking at all for a girl that age was unreal that she was able to add off on live television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's I think I think you brought it up either after the show or on the way home and say there's no way our kids could pull that off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I doubt it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of pressure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that moment in time with the cameras right on you and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These famous, like, O'Cada doing this, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they talked off air and he's like, I'm gonna pretend I don't like, you know what I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, to do it without laughing, she had that serious look on her face.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that match a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the women's street fight was awesome too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was at four stars on that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really, really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those three just kind of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: being in a row, that was my favorite section of the card going from Ocada Champa to the women's street fight to the trio's, you know, that was that was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the ladder match was like, it was a good ladder match, but as we talked about, we're so burned out of ladder matches and like all the tropes and like the the most egregious thing was Copeland who sets up the ladder and could

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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't like that in the moment, Justin was really harping on that in the crowd of how stupid that was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's also stuff that was impressive, like cash, Wheeler just tossing his body all around the rake and doing crazy shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was amazing how,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, I should say it was annoying to start off with when they were obviously setting up a ladder spot, you know, trying to keep the ladder on the ropes and the other ladder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had to do it like three times and it's just like, come on guys, but then, you know, that led to Copeland taking a crazy suitplex through that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you know, I give the wrestlers props for, you know, I'm sure the toll this kind of match takes on their body, but just like, I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen a ladder match in a long time where there isn't two or three spots that completely take me out of the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you said a little bit disgruntled for over half of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember looking over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen just in this, this combobulated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be in a view event before, which is good because I actually was looking at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I kind of feel the same way about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're both just kind of done with ladder matches as a whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Despite of the fact that the six men that were in there are, are really free of the greatest tag teams in the history of the business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I gave it a pretty good, like I gave it four stars flat just for the athleticism and how impressive it was, but I didn't think I could go possibly any higher than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've gave it five stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No way, not a five star match to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, at four just because of some of the stuff they did was impressive, like I said, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, didn't like it as much as that three match set in the middle there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that that was definitely the best part of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it had some, this definitely had some matches as usual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a couple of matches you should have cut to bring the run time down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we had the, we had the scary moment to with, uh, Sting Sun, Stephen Borden.

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[SPEAKER_02]: luckily it looks like it's not as a way to recovery, but in the moment we didn't know at first like was this legit?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a part of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked how they came on the PA when I think Shivani was talking about it to like let everybody know what was going on because everyone was wondering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that kind of took the wind out of the sales of the crowd for quite a while, not that I think the TBS title match would have been boisterous, but yeah, that kind of had everybody confused and concerned for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The match I really enjoyed that wasn't on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the pre show was the vestidium or the the football style four on four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The bang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that they were able to incorporate the football sequences in with wrestling was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did it fantastically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't definitely wasn't overdone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We also, during that, got a loud green-based sucks chant, which both Jesse and I appreciated to maybe not so much, which was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me, speaking of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me show a couple of pictures here that I took just for viewers on YouTube here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're on the podcast, be check out the YouTube video if you want to see this time stamp it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But here's Jesse and his Lucha Twins, AW, mask flash hat reference the second ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is at the pre-show party across at the beer garden across from the

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then here's a little selfie I took of us three at the beer garden before the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you will notice the girl behind us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who she was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, very star-struck by us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We just, it was so packed that we just had to find a place to sit down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we would join people at tables and she noticed me taking the selfie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple of pictures I took and you can see you're like trying to dodge it and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty funny, but yes, there we are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we had a blast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else you guys want to call out from the show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great, great, great, great stage design with the giant Chicago star up above.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you guys noticed, but every once in a while there'd be little train that went by in the middle of the screen, which is a nice little touch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the crowd overall was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were very loud for the matches that, yeah, that definitely needed that extra push.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, typical Chicago crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Always enjoy being amongst those folks, especially on paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hit that thing at a fee for pitch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they, um, so I went to World Zen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this back in December on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I took my kids to that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just me and my kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we sat a lot closer to the stage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that stage in person was not very impressive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I walked in, even I was like, this is a stage like it just was more subdued.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This one was way bigger, had more to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Chicago Star over the entrance way was super cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And bigger crowd too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they sold every seat possible all the way wrapped around the arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Slightly smaller crowd than they've had at their top performing shows there because the stage was bigger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was completely sold out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a big crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who didn't get tickets, I guess they could have gone to the show down the down the interstate a little further at zero interest and going to that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the show to be at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it was sold out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: world's end this year Minneapolis target center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They announced that later on the evening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm debating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's a weird show because it's in December.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish they'd run a paper view in Minneapolis during warm weather months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, full year was November, but you still like, oh, that's probably not going to be a blizzard, but maybe December is a little risky.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at the tickets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a three-hour drive for us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was looking at the tickets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There, you know, it's a paper view somewhat pricey, not W of E prices, but I'm like, man, if I buy those and then a blizzard hits and I can't go and I have to unload them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people are going to be unloading them and I'll not make my money back properly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like a little worried to buy tickets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if I'm going to go to that show or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It might be like a week of decision where I decide to go and, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then I buy me their second hand or whatever if there's some available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once I know what the weather forecast is, I did reserve a hotel just in case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I can always cancel that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll have to decide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I assume Jesse you're probably going to go to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually when it comes to stuff here in the Twin Cities last minute anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I will reserve a ticket for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Justin unfortunately cannot go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the now arena, I, I am, and I'm sure many other people, I just had no reception.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as soon as we left the building, my phone just started buzzing, buzzing, buzzing, all these messages, and I have this giant family text thread, and they're, they're in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a childhood of war, so it's my wife, so we've got like four Christmas, we have to figure out in December.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of them was decided for December 19th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not like 10 minutes later, I found out about world's end, which is doubly crushing because boy, I would love to see the finals of the C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to your point, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why not just flip flop the locations of Wrestle Dream and Worlds in?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably two more Chicago but yeah, I don't know still though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean six hours.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They could do it That's my only frustration with that also the same night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a pretty big NFL game for my team because the bears play the bills that night And that it's a Saturday night like special game and it could could be a big one depending on the season goes So that's gonna factor in my decision as well a little bit, but yeah We'll see So should we talk about the subject at hand here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were stunned, obviously, like everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just browsing Twitter Sunday evening and I saw the tweet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was from the officially WWE accounts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you knew right away, it was real and not a hoax about pack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And by and just starts going so many different directions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, we were at the same hotel that talent was staying at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that night we saw his last opponent on Drawday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone he's close with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw him Saturday night after the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then my phone just started blowing up from people I've worked with at different wrestling outlets in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, friends, like everybody talking about it, you know, wondering what happened was he still in Chicago, you know, where was he?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We ended up finding out he was kind of just down from O'Hare Airport at a restaurant, which is where he passed away in his car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for a guy who is that age Z40 born in 86, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with a, you know, a young wife obviously to man, one of the most beloved guys in the industry, it's every time something like this happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not people just paying lip service, you know, like I've heard this about it from mutual friends too, like just everybody loved that everybody loved them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and for something this tragic to happen to a guy like that is just absolutely devastating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen this across the wrestling industry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the next day Marina Shafir was at a indie show and she talked about it in front of the live crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how she was able to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen people at WWE, you know, paying tribute, see the rock paid tribute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to give props to the rock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't do any of that corporate bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had no problem talking about AEW on that video he recorded, which was cool to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even really know where to go with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just absolutely devastating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We could have never imagined, obviously, that night being the crowd that that was going to be as final match or that something like this would happen to a guy with so much career left, who had already accomplished so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we were talking at the show about it about how he was probably going to take over the death writers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were talking about plans in the past, put him in the world title picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we had talked about that this weekend, we were so high on him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what I mean, just what a 180, either one of you guys can jump in here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I jump in because I see the construction people are pulling into my driveway right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get in a lot of this is probably going to some selfish and then I don't mean it to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all in reverence to to Ben.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My two takeaways were first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I almost didn't realize he was one of my all time favorite wrestlers, but you see him on a card and you know there's going to be at least one good match on it like the dude just didn't miss he was so good at everything in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I remember on the way home before we found out we were listening to a review of all out and in the host for kind of picking at the Indian of the Andrade match because it very much protected pack and and you know on dry days obviously the guy they're probably lining up for a future world title win and I don't think I said it out loud, but internally I was saying it's like, yeah man, he's fucking pack and he loses too much so he should be a little bit protected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess part, yeah, it's just like I didn't really realize how much I love him, you know, as a character and in the ring is as much as I do and especially, you know, having this platform.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really wish I'd been kind of, you know, shouting it to the heavens for all these years and I don't feel like I really did that even though like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from the beginning when he was never, you know, winning the NXT title from Bo Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like he's always been amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the second thing is that I realized I can still get worked because until all the stuff coming out about how much beloved he was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of, I had the impression that he was probably a bit of a cramudgeon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was a whole thing with the way he left WBE under seemingly bad circumstances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the stupid right along where Sasha and Bailey had a run-in with him and like, you know, they were kind of treating him like a bit of a cramudgeon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, you know, when A, W, first started, it was supposed to be hangman and pack, a W or nothing, but, you know, there were some quote unquote creative differences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just the way he presented himself as a character, you know, that that face that look on his face of just pure like anger, and he didn't do a lot of interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I never, I never really knew anything about, I didn't know he had a wife until this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, genuinely, one of the best guys in the fucking world was like, holy shit, it was just like, props to him for fucking working me all these years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love like, uh, RJ City's tribute in the extended one where he's talking about like how we asked back if you would do Haye W.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And and packs like, well, let me think about it in like a week later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came back, I was like, I just don't see a scenario where I wouldn't beat you up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so just for someone to be that good at his profession and to be to be even better outside of it, that's a kudos to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well said, we all said, Jesse, you and jumping on on a little bit of late with pack, like I didn't know too much about his dragon gate prowess, but now going back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he honestly, I mean, he wasn't well asked for it before we'll ask for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was pack, like look at the stuff he did with ricochet, dragon gate, you're just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: why wasn't this highlighted more back than why why did it take us so long I guess WWE kind of new because they signed them and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think up until 2024, like the middle of it, he had been protected like a lot of those top guys in its show because he was one of the original signings, as Justin mentioned, he wrestled hangman the week before I believe it was overseas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in England.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was technically the first unofficial AEW match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so talented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as Justin just mentioned with all of the character stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's all coming out how good of a human he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw Austin Creed on the show just he broke down big time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a part of up, up, down, down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw the scene where they gave him that nickname was like something rude boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was super funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Yeah, I like he was just

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[SPEAKER_00]: So dynamic, automatic, like you knew it, it was going to be four stars, whoever he wrestled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember all out 19, he was the villain for Moxie the Staff infection, and to be your first official match in AW, and you get a submission win over Kenny Omega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you are headed places and just super unfortunate visa things kept happening, COVID happened and there might have been some underlying health stuff that we're that's going to come out here very, very soon that might have kept him in England more than he wanted to be because I think when I heard Will Asprey on the tribute and Ricochet say that he loved professional wrestling so much that

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably more for him, more to be done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll unfortunately never know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think decolissatements sound like a tremendous human being.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And going back at it, just I think one of the more maybe underutilized performers in the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially in the last 15 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tapable is so much more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Benjamin's Adderly, you will definitely be missed and truly hope that you're your family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and friends are able to grieve in a healthy way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can say that being extremely empathetic because I'll be honest, it's been hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Think for me to grieve in a healthy way in the last couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because I, for those who don't know, I lost my father in September 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, I don't know, there are certain things where to quote one of my favorite musical artists

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[SPEAKER_00]: just completely numb at times and checked out and just looking into space and wondering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, utilize your family, utilize your friends during this time, especially, yeah, when death unfortunately knocks at the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's coming for everybody as much as I don't want to say it, but, yeah, just this Justin said the beginning, please hug your loved ones and make sure everybody's okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I can follow you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you said it all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys in the chat too, I'm seeing some great comments come in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So keep those comments share those here in just a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'll look more at the professional side because I feel like newer wrestling fans have no idea how long he's been around and having great matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a guy

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[SPEAKER_02]: goes back to like 2006, 2007, he's like 20 years old having standout matches and PWG, you know, wrestling Kevin Steene and the brisk goes back then and he had a lot of really good matches with Sammy or Elginerico.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh and then you guys mentioned i mean a w he's been one of the most in a promotion full of work great guys one of the most reliable work great guys there is every time out you know you're getting an outstanding match from him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tim mentioned in the chat here that he went back and he watched his match with Osprey at all out 24 that's an incredible match that that is one that if you haven't seen it or it's been since then you should go back and watch out standing match his match with Omega on dynamite where they have the iron man match back in like right before the pandemic I think early 2020 that's an outstanding one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing, and the one that people have all been pointing to, and I feel I tweeted about this, I think the day after, was that, you know, that match he had in NXT with Sammy, and obviously like I just said they had a history, they'd had outstanding match seven, seven, eight years earlier, how long these guys have been working against each other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's in 2014 when they have the match, yeah, December of 2014, it take over our evolution.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's the early days of the WWE network.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and that's when NXT was really starting to gain some steam in that black and gold era early on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as Adrian Neville in NXT, and he was in NXT champion, obviously,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that was a real kind of gateway match for people who had been watching during that monopoly era when it comes to national pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like TNA had been a thing in years at that point, you know, WCW had been gone for 13 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was pretty much just WWE, unless you were a hardcore wrestling fan like us and watching the Indies and watching, getting tapes of PWG and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was an entire subset of fans, the majority of wrestling fans had no idea that this style of wrestling was out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were used to the main roster WWE stuff, and that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now the WWE network was giving you NXT.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was early in the network days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: when that match took on everybody online was like, you got to watch that match, Sammy and Neville.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that opened people's eyes to the style outside of the main roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it made NXT even more must see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now we get to the air, we're in now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, top level and ex-AW obviously becomes a national promotion and he's there from day one, which is so poetic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like he was on the leading charge of the best era of NXT and that is no surprise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes total sense because of the talent he was, the history he had in the industry and the ability to just get people's attention with his ringwork.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just and you talked about like how you could get worked by him because of how good

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[SPEAKER_02]: his facials were on camera like he really came off as this guy when he was working heel that was like a total douchebag right like he could get you to think like you said he was a hermudgen that he was just kind of as dark character when he was the total opposite off camera and you see those pictures of him you know with his pet dog and his wife and

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[SPEAKER_02]: all smiles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a totally different person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is the art of the perfect performer that he was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think he was really just a revolutionary, quite honestly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like I said, the gateway to the style of wrestling we all enjoy for a lot of fans who were suffering through some of the worst days of the WWE main roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that that kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: wrestling was out there and he gave it to him and shined from that moment forward to a national audience right up until the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to bridge that to first off calling out great matches of his against Orange Cassidy at Revolution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the first match I went back and watched because you took, you talk about a guy one, the, again, the Kermudgeon facial expression someone who took his craft very seriously was a perfectionist and for him to put Orange Cassidy over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By playing along with his bits is, it's, I mean, that match made orange Cassidy, you know, that immediately that, I don't know what you'd call it, but that very quick arm drag that orange gives to pack and the look on pack's face, I mean, boom, you have a star in orange Cassidy right right then and there because of pack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the rest of that matches fantastic, but a dynamite tribute to pack,

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe they out did the tribute to Brody Lee is astounding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a show that, you know, I look forward to watching again down the road when it's not so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those shows where I wished it didn't exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it did and Tony

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know where to start with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had to start the show late and I saw one screen grab before I started watching it and it was the picture of the empty chair and immediately lump in my throat and it's like, Oh, this is going to be a long night when I start the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to wait for the family to go to bed because this is going to be a mess, but again going back to orange that was kind of the first thing that sent me off was this character who's always stoic, you know, he'll fire up sometimes, but he's just kind of always man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to see the, you know, hear that bell ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has to take that moment to really collect himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, fuck, this is going to be a long night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to do the show beat by that be correct guys, maybe just call out some of the big moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Osprey hitting the black arrow, which he, you know, he talked about getting to the arena hours earlier and practicing it to get it down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A movie hasn't done in like seven or eight years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I moved to supposedly he's not supposed to be doing because of his neck at least like the shooting star press.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, you know, to talk about, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The character of Ben Satterley did Brian Danielson come back for some huge match, way in advance, or some big story, no, he came back for Ben, you know, same with Omega, same with Mercedes Monet, these were people, you know, Omega was in Japan, flew back especially for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mercedes had a broken nose, it's everybody wanted to be on the show to show the respect for

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe Brian Danielson came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the other moment was him and Moxley hugging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like Jesus and that looked Danielson's face when he walked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, yeah, I don't take over for me, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the tributes with moxley and orange cacity playing pack and orange cacity in 2020 with moxley getting frustrated with the comedic stuff but buying it at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John moxley's to me has always had that underrated comedy aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's he's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably one of my favorite comedies, which is weird to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very much needed on commentary for that many of that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ricochet pulling off a move that I had just seen 24 hours earlier online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The shooting star with the kick, the paylake kick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know packed it that I said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, nobody has pulled that off sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, how?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is this not possible?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How I've not seen this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ricochet does it the same night against Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were doing a lot of tributes to Neville and Sammy Zayne as well from NXT 2013.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So playing the hits, but playing

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Marina Schaffier, also getting the big tap out in the six woman match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rick Baker and her hometown being kind enough to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was that was really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, everybody knew that on this night, the mission was just all about honoring Ben, and it was done tremendously, even at times when I was kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ghosting out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would continue to reel me back in, but like I said, you mentioned guys losing it like hang man before getting on the stage openly weeping hugging the jacks in as I know when they're given a 10-bell salute Nick Jackson was in was in full tears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard not to be when you Just see someone 24 hours earlier and that's the hardest part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how suck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Absolutely sucks so yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd say hangman and hangman and Brian were the toughest for me when I saw them, especially hangman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could tell what a big hearted guy he is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, the backstage interviews, it really was calling back to that own heart tribute raw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was very similar vibe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I'll own famously one of the most beloved guys in the history of the industry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was like, you could tell pack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was right up there for people too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a good watch, but a tough watch, you know, and to see Brian come back was like you said, he didn't come back for a big match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He came back on an ounce for this to pay tribute to his friend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was, that was a great nod and a great tribute, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And tying up that entire storyline, I mean, what better time that right now, you know, this is the, these are the moments when we lose somebody where you want to put aside dumb grievances, you know, even if it's just a wrestling story, it would just remarkable the way they did that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and you could also tell like in the way it was this was handled again like what a quality wrestling booker and owner Tony Khan is like how positive all the talent was on how this was handled for you know from his perspective and you know despite what tribalistic people on social media want to say about Tony I mean obviously the the wrestling business has benefited a lot

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[SPEAKER_02]: just about perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Hope echoes out in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says terrible circumstances, but hats off to A, W for dealing with it with such class and kindness and, you know, what's on, yeah, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, sorry, you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to go to another another chat, so you can go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say, John Hope again bringing up Renee reading the message from the family, just tied in with Tony Khan and, and they specifically mentioned how how great Tony

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Eric said he was my favorite of the black pool compact club and deathwriters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish he won more singles matches, but any time he was on, it was guaranteed to be a great match to him, chiming in, pack versus orange casty revolution 2020 was an all-time classic and in my top five matches I've ever seen live, crowded so much fun and packed, sold it so well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was at that show with him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know that match made a superstar out of capacity right from the start and it was a lot of that was due to pack as you guys were talking about earlier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl says describe it this morning to a mate as a week of being both brutal and beautiful brutal for the laws and beautiful for how loved he was in the impact that he had on those around him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John says, I watched him win the trio's at Wimbley, which was amazing, but the best pack match I saw live was the C2 match against Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: all that black arrow and that match I remember sending that out on blue sky and how just pretty it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the better top rope moves you'll you can ever execute was tremendous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl mentioned earlier as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Made his pro debut at 18 in 2004 and then gets the PWG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Dragon Gate at 20 in 21 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Only special talents can do it that quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are not wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that guy was one of a kind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of the black arrow, and the way he executed it, that was another small moment, but a favorite of mine during the show after Will Osprey hit it, and Tony Shvani said, you know, perfection and and Excalibary immediately with not as good as Ben, and he's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can do it as good as Pac.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, while we're here, shout out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously, Excalibur Renee in Tony Chavani for what they did throughout the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But specifically, I'd just Tony Chavani for really feeling like the glue throughout the entire show and really seemingly helping to hold Excalibur together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, you know, him and Pack had a lot of history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wanted to make sure to shout out them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Eric said, I love his match against Leo Rush after the black heart transition because it shows a side of pack that wasn't so crotchity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was good at doing the comedy bit in a straight man kind of way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, agreed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in talk here too about WWE running the world's collides show and YouTube directly opposite.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if that show was on cable, I would understand, but since it was on YouTube and they could have ran it whenever, I think that that was pretty low class.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you don't have to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, just do make it a nod to a guy who put in years of work for you and just don't run something opposite of the tribute show to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't care

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, John, you too, when we're in a, yeah, they couldn't delay to buy a couple hours around the next night's YouTube, you could do whatever there's we did the show with that hours notice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, no, I mean, like they have live programming Monday Tuesday Friday Thursday easy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, man, I don't have a whole lot left to say on it right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's been a tough week to a lot of things running through your head when something like this happens to someone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So young so close to us, you know, in our age and in someone who, you know, wrestling is a weird thing because you watch these people on TV for years on a weekly basis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it really hits you hard because you feel like

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, closer to these people, even though you don't really have that personal relationship with them, because you've been watching them for so many years, like I said, it's just, it definitely hits you hard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's been a tough week, just a weird duality of having such a good weekend with you guys, and then seeing that right when we got home, it's been tough for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if there was ever a doubt before, which we've been talking about it for years now, yeah, to Carl's point, John Moxley, Ace of AW, what he did throughout the show is absolutely incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: deep opening promo for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We may imagine that it was almost very eerie because in the only pan to him in the very beginning, but then he mentioned pack in there and just talking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, this thing is a eulogy, and some of the other things that he was mentioning, I was just like, oh, and I know a cage match is a very small section of the wrestling world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As of now, that is in terms of promos, it's considered the greatest promo in the history of the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gotta go back and watch that for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, it's just, it's an all-time line, you know, it's like, at your eulogy, do you want them to be opening you, you want them to talk about what you did or who you were?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just, you couldn't sum it up any better than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who gives a shit that pot pack was never world champion or held all the gold, you know, he was a good human, you know, and that's what really matters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that puts the exclamation point on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well said, guys, yeah, we'll be back at some point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It might be Justin and Jesse on the next show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll pop in when I can, you know, like I said, at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a busy fall for me, but I'll try to pop on as much as possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So make sure you're subscribed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It might not be as like on the dot weekly every single week, as we have been in the past throughout the fall, because it's going to be busy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's six children between us as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're in a lot of activities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things we're like with TRN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just say this right now, because I was singing in this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And luckily I have you too, because you guys can do shows without me, you know, like a start of the show over 10 years ago now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that this will ever get to a point where I would ever just be like, all right, podcasts is over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No episodes ever going up again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like we could be gone for a month, we could be gone for two weeks and like when I have something to say about wrestling, I'll just power it up, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And same for you guys, you guys are always free to do shows without us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but it's just like we have such a good community of listeners who have supported us and who continue to support us and we've got like all these friendships we've developed through the show that you know whether it's on the show live or on the discord we've all stayed connected and so like yeah I don't feel like I have to do a show every week in the same time slot anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been doing this so long that you know I think our listeners know

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[SPEAKER_02]: When we have something to say, we'll say it will be out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was obviously a big week we wanted to do a show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't really say like, we'll be here next Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, our next Saturday morning, but we'll be coming at you soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the way that I can put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I'll finish up by just saying, you know, long live the bastard and I love you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Love all yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess speaking for myself, it'll probably be a couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll, I need to get back to some normal scene my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two, two weeks without a show, it's, it kind of drives me a little bit in, interiorly, interiorly, in the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also will say, I'm not going to speak on behalf of Ryan here, but two things, yeah, thank you all so much for your support, uh, Ryan just nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think with the whole impromptu show, bam, 30 minute graphic without any notice to any of you, bam, nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also would say, expect some changes because we've actually been talking about this in the last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we need to stay true to who we are as humans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those changes are going to be made with our ethics in mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, as far as which wrestling we cover for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been talking about this behind the scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we want to cover the wrestling we like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we don't want it to feel like a chore to watch something just to review it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We want to watch the wrestling that we like, that we want to comment on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We like classic wrestling from everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We love doing classic shows on the Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to modern wrestling, we are going to focus almost entirely now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think on

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[SPEAKER_02]: the wrestling we like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you know what primarily that's going to be as of right now in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So more in the future for sure, I appreciate you guys at a blast traveling with you guys and reuniting in person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put that picture up once again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's happiness right there with my boys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Before too long, appreciate all of you tuning in on the podcast feeds and on YouTube as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Spread the words, subscribe, all that good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I'll talk to you again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll soon take care of everybody.