Roman Must Pose, WWE Clash In Italy Review

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[SPEAKER_03]: Leave me to do it, it is no time!

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[SPEAKER_03]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only one in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now I reach you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's up everybody, episode four, 18 of top of nation, Ryan Drossie, Jesse Velasquez, here to talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE clash in Italy just went off the air a few minutes ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sunday afternoon here in the States, Jesse, how you doing today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fun fact, I really enjoy these four o'clock in the afternoon podcast on the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is tremendous stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big difference from a morning or a super late night show that we always do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I, you know, I like the timing of these shows when they're over in Europe and get to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I did have a little problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was telling you off air, though, like when we got to the middle of the show, I hadn't had my afternoon coffee yet, and I was starting to really fade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was during the Soul Rooka Becky Lynch match, and I was starting to dose off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had a Nespresso, got a little caffeine in me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got my diet co-care, no beer right

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[SPEAKER_01]: a surprising show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were some things on this that I expected to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I figured they were going to go 50-50 with Oban Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not very inspired, but I figured that's what was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I didn't think they'd be Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot of questions on why I even book in this few.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then right out of WrestleMania, though, in that main event, we'll probably start talking about Roman and Jacob Fatu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, that they opened with Gunther and Cody Rhodes not surprised by that result either very uninspired though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The match was not very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was it was it was an okay match, but it was just starting to like start to feel like it was starting to hit it stride and then it ended with a kind of a weird finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about our grades right here, but when you watch and kind of an all-timeer of a paper view just seven nights ago, or you watch a, you know, a hell of a match on the AAA show last night, and then you go into this one, and this is what you get, it just felt really just treading water to me, very bland, nothing very exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the workers even just appear to be going through the motions to me, at least,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could not, I can't imagine grading this higher than a C. If you've been, you know, again, you know, I see our friend Ryan Huffman's in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gave it a B, but Ryan has been watching a W lately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I've been watching a W lately and I watch this show, I can't give this a B, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The show was very bland, very bland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: C minus, I'll go see minus, what about you, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I haven't caught every bit of this show, but what I've seen so far, I would give it a C plus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still have to watch a little around half of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the main event until the end, I think, and then even the aftercredits kind of lowered this another half grade for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed Soul Rooka getting a win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was very surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did call one title change on the show, but that was not it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was very surprised that that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing that match time for Cody and Gunther being 11 minutes and 30 seconds left me perplexed my son even asked me like why did your eyes just pop out of your head that I said because I looked at a looked at a match time and just That's something it's usually reserved for like a 20 to 25 minute chunk of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jon hope in the chat be minus for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says perfectly watchable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it was an easy watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you that, but that's not what I want out of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had so many other things I could have been doing this afternoon, but we're here for the people for here because you guys want the content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here because we have paying customers who support the shell on Patreon, and we want to review every single paper of UNPLE for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That said, I, you know, I don't want to spend my Sunday afternoon watching a show is just perfectly watchable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want it to be fun and I want to be into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just kind of like, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing on this show that was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan says ESPN app is not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also had mine click out about five times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hope you're not paying extra for that Ryan because it doesn't sound great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I sailed the high seas over to England to watch the show on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I'm watching it because I ain't given any extra money to ESPN to watch these shows right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll wait until they add the YouTube TV interface because there's no chance in hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am paying out extra money to watch ESPN plus or whatever the hell it's called right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right now on buzzers so thanks to all of you who are tuning in on buzzer right now as well and of course go ahead I almost want to talk about the AAA main event last night instead because I I actually watched that live and the presentation of it was magnificent I thought the whole mate the match was a little convoluted yet it was a very exciting piece of business for AAA slash WWE

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, here's here's one thing I will say about it though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I you know, I have seen clips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched the whole thing yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen all the praise from people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like and respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure the match will live up to all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I saw people saying like El Grande Americano is the most over baby face in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, now when Mystico was alive, what the hell are you people talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a ridiculous statement, um, but you know, great crowd from the clips I saw super over, I wouldn't say Mystico level the top promotion in Mexico, but, um, yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, you know, it's, it's weird, you know, you got two white guys doing Luchador stuff, but the crowd likes it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, if they like it, I'm not going to complain about it and they got a great response.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got I got to watch the whole thing in full still to comment, but you know, we'll definitely I want to go at the end of the show and get your take on it and get me all primed to to turn on the TV later tonight because I saw all the praise and I'll probably put a star rating on Patreon for that after I watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You should, I'll wait till the end to give mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's our names of our patrons, thank you guys all for your support, but we're going to start with Clash and Italy with that main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman Reigns and Jacob Fattu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the match that I took the most notes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of these matches, I've very thin notes, just more talking points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this one was really curious, because they had an OK match at backlash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty shocked that this was going to be Romans first viewed coming out of WrestleMania and winning the title from Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because as we've talked about on the show for a couple of years, we all see a lot of potential in Jacob Fattu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you're going to beat him right away at backlash, and you're going to run it back here with tribal combat over in Italy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he takes another L, as he did, you know, kind of what are we doing here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, Jesse, what it looks like we're doing is we're repeating bloodline 2020 to 2023.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just going to keep running this thing into the ground in the same story line over and over and over because Paul of that has no other ideas for Roman reigns in these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about how it ended, but that was basically the feeling I got at the end of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They come out big match, feel long entrances, that's another talking point on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like on backlash after all the complaints on WrestleMania with all the advertisements and all the breaks between the matches that they kind of tightened it up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a better viewing experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This show felt like it rolled that back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like there was tons of time between the five matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything died down considerably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Long waits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We finally get to this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Long, long entrances, as you would expect at a Roman match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the match started off, it was very slow and methodical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were talking about that on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They fight through the crowd a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They govered by this food cart, Romans thrown food into the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, uh, Rome gets tossed into the signpost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like directing people on where to sit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A little thin piece of metal didn't look particularly brutal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he sells that, you know, they get back to the ring side area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman is very slowly taking those ring out from under the table and kind of chuckling to himself as Jacob's laid out at ringside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, they're talking about a commentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman, he's so methodical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the crowd starts chanting for Roman Reigns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's laughing about it and smiling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, they get that in the ring, the table, they get the ring steps in the ring, and Roman ends up tossing the ring steps out of the ring onto Jacob's head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of the first spot that actually looked pretty brutal in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, did you think it was really slow in the thoughticle and kind of boring early Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like kind of fresh into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was almost your stereotypical Roman Reigns match, where yes, pacing is always important to draw it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it ended up going about 25 minutes, so they ramped it up slow, telling a story eventually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Jacob Fattu in the Tang and Deathgrip, that finishing maneuver should be abolished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I would like to say that Kudos Roman Reigns for attacking the hand midway through the match and also,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jake, I'm selling it when he was trying to put it back on and with other maneuvers later on down the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I would have liked a little bit quicker tempo, but then again, I don't have much to compare it to other than Soul Ruka and Becky Lynch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a lot in this match who would make it feel like tribal combat, you know, or you know, it was just like a match had a couple of weapons in it and that was about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, after he tosses the stairs onto Jacob, because of the drive-by dropkick into the ring post, and then it's close lines in the ring from Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob ends up dodging a Superman punch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hits some right-hands, his centon backs, flash, head butts in the corner from Jacob.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gives Roman that hip-check, running hip-check into the corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes up for the pop-up Samoan drop, but Roman catches him with a Superman punch on the way down for a two-count, and then Roman goes for the spear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets a super kick from Jacob, followed by the first attempt of that tongue in death grip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman tries to fight out, Jacob eventually pushes him over the ropes to the outside, and then he runs for a dive, as he comes through the ropes, he gets Superman punch by Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Roman gets out a toolbox.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This did look pretty brutal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets out this heavy toolbox.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He slams it into Jacob's hand on the announced table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jacob's kind of laid up by the ring steps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he slams the toolbox again into Jacob's hand his right hand, as you said, Jesse, so that he can't apply the tongue and death grip later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get back into the ring, Romans working them over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's stomping on the hand where he sets up the table on a corner and he goes for a spear, but Jacob takes him out with another hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He first a kick and then a hit check into the corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jacob charges outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he gets a Superman punch and then Roman spears him through the barricade on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are these two kind of security guards on the side of the barricade that took the impact and were kind of like laying underneath the the rubble so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fans were very concerned about this was clearly part of the show, but once they got back into the ring, the fans in the front, what row were all looking off to the side of these guys selling the fact that they had like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: come down on the concrete when Roman spear Jacob threw the barrier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that that was kind of entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they were quite worried for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get back into the ring, and there's a spear from Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob kicks out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This at this point, Roman starts talking a bunch of shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you think I need help to beat you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The who-soes aren't out here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never needed anyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do this because I love you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, dude, we watched the four-year title right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You won from interference every single fucking man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about Roman then immediately starts pulling off the top turn buckle pads.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's screaming, you know, again, I don't need anyone's help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes off three of the four turn buckle pads.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth one he couldn't because the tables leaned up against over on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob out of nowhere goes for the death grip, but his hands injured, so he can't lock it in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Roman hits a Superman punch, but Jacob fought two fires himself up and he's like Hulk and up and there's another Superman punch and he's doing the Hulk up thing again and then Roman tosses him into two turn buckles headfirst, the exposed turn buckles and he goes for a spear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but instead Jacob Spears Roman for a two count and then he goes for the top rope moon salt Roman moves Jacob comes down flat on his face Roman goes for the spear but instead Jacob hits the pop-up Simone drop then the moon salt two count and as he kicks out Roman hits this low blow like he's done often in the past like

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[SPEAKER_01]: moving his arm up, hit some low, hit some low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're exchanging right hands on their knees, then they're standing, they're exchanging hands back and for Jacob goes for the death grip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman breaks it, he tosses Jacob into the steel turn buckle over and over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesse, if you're gonna throw a guy multiple times into an exposed steel turn buckle, what do you need my friend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was what two to three times three minutes prior that led to a two count this one was a standard 10 count and I've never seen that in professional wrestling history because back in the day that used to knock you out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would get pinned matches over and now this just sells, I think the ludicrous amount of punishment that takes place in a lot of these matches and I'm not here for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also you need blood, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to face first them to steal over and over, like I just think if you're going to do that spot, you got to have blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tribal combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, let them bleed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, Roman then spears Jacob through the table on the opposite side of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob gets to his feet, Roman hits another spear, one, two, three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clean finish, Roman has beat him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the second consecutive month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, they're talking about how Jacob must now acknowledge Roman on Raw tomorrow night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Usos come out and they put the Ula Fala on Roman and my concol says tomorrow, Jacob Fatu must do his tribal service.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Roman is leaving the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he looks off into the crowd, Jesse, and who was standing there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's solo, Sacoa, and the Samoan B team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Roman even kind of like laughs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'll take care of him next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can possibly be taking solo, Sacoa seriously at this point, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a challenger to Roman, I mean, what are we doing here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what this does for Jacob Fattu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess in their mind it's all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to serve Roman now for several months and eventually we'll have him wrestle again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's it's just the same thing we've seen in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is so uninspiring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it would have been so much more exciting to have Roman put over Jacob fought to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To have Jacob fought to win the title and change it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But instead like I was ranting about Hunter has no original ideas for the main event scene and we're just going to keep recycling stuff over and over and over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match ended up being pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The finish was uninspiring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing about this makes me want to tune in to raw or smack down or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, here we go again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't grade it too high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler alert for those who don't know about Roman Reigns and his schedule after this Raw tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not scheduled for the remainder of June.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was taken off of those shows two and a half weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we can forecast ahead that Jacob's likely going to lay him out or yeah, I would assume that's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he's probably going to make the usows acknowledge him while Romans on the shelf because like you said solo cannot be taken serious right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned his win last record back on the show like a month ago and he's one like two matches in the last two years something along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I currently ever wins a TV in singles matches at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you can't take that seriously half of that crew is gone now all that's left is Talatanga and Tonga Loa I believe so there's only three and I would have done the same thing Roman did and that's that's K-fade brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean if that if that's the direction and you know you have him attack Roman Roman's off TV or wherever why would you not put the title on the guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean

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[SPEAKER_01]: He basically even neutered him by having him lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He lost clean clean as a sheet in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's lost two months in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the handful of guys that I think has a ton of potential that I think they've screwed up massively, you know, having him lose to solo Sacoa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that last year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, take in a way that he still does it, but the pop-up Simone into the moon saw is such an awesome finishing sequence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To do the tongue and death grip, it's not an impressive finish for a big guy that has that kind of athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like switching it up to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like having him lose two months in a row coming out of WrestleMania to Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just really don't like the direction on any of this quite frankly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The easiest, easiest build you could have done was to get Jacob to Summerslam and get him on a three month win streak because he had just defeated Drew McIntyre and some people in WWE lore of view Drew McIntyre is still an upper tier guy so you could easily take that route and have him in to have internal beef with the ooze or something like that

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[SPEAKER_00]: make him earn it that way and then have him collide with Roman at Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that for some folks that might not be a Summerslam worthy match yet what are you going to do for Summerslam 2026 for like the third, fourth year in a row are you going to put like Codian Roman in these spots again and not elevate anybody knew that's just not a that isn't good ethical practices for roles are going to take right now yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, this is probably, when I go back and grade this, this is probably like a high threes type main event in the star rating department, you know, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not break into the four star range for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nothing I would ever watch again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always say this on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to grade an entire pay per view, a B, there's got to be something I would go back on it and watch and

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would ever watch again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's really anything on the show that will ever be replayed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there was any memorable like all time moments on anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just can't go be see his average and to me it was average just slightly below average as a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, that's what I have most of my notes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll go back in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have any other thoughts on this one, Jesse before we start the beginning of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I said just it's very uninspired and directionless because what do you do for Summerslam now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're Roman Reigns, we know he's gonna return before then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you set up a Reigns punk?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Summerslam may even on night two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that almost sounds uninspired because he hasn't been seen since he lost it WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I almost wonder if they're going to do Cody punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't know, I really, I really do not know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I guess the theme of the show is just, you know, all these guys that I have some excitement about, but they all lost, obelost, Jacob lost, and at the very beginning of the match or the very beginning of the show, Gunther lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I guess, as we can go back and start with the opening of the show,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, WWE title, Gunther Cody Rhodes, Gunther challenging, and you know, we were talking about this off air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like an 11 minute match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just didn't really seem to ever get going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there was a funny moment from Michael Cole earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody did his cartwheel across the ring and Michael Cole called it a summer salt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that that was kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like they're very back and forth early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody got a decent reaction from the crowd when he came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they he might get heavily booed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's you know, Gunther being European.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as the match went on, it did seem like there was more people cheering Gunther and that they

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, this is the opening match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It aired live on ESPN that first hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the timing of this match, some of that too is what they have set up with ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a certain amount of matches they want to get on in that first hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I want to set up that third match, which was Oba Brock for the paying customers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get you to flip over and subscribe to this service.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So knowing that, knowing all the commercials, all the entrances, they're only gonna have so much time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but 11 minutes did not make for a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, very back and forth, like I said, neither one was really able to gain much of an advantage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had, let's see, Cody had a pedigree at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had, you had Gunther come back with a power bomb, two counts for both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gunther kicked out of the crossroads at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a Cody cutter attempt, but Gunther caught him, so he's lock it in the sleeper, and you get ultimately Cody countering that into a roll up for a two count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get the sleeper on again from Gunther, and it almost looked like Cody might be out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He sold this pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was locked in it for quite a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gunther is really cincheted in, laying his body weight on top of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But rodeo Cody, rodeo Cody, and so I couldn't use the rodeo at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: rodeo, it's a great name that would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody's fight now, but still you get Gunther's cincheted in more and end up getting a rope break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's, there's chops back and forward, there's clothes lines, there's a, there's a Cody cutter and then Cody hits the crossroads and right when he goes for the cover Gunther has his leg clearly underneath the rope now they filmed this from the opposite side of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you could kind of tell watching it live that his foot was clearly under the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like one, two, gunters foot under the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on the third count for some reason his foot won up in the air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought maybe he was gonna try to set it on the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, it just went straight up in the air, but his foot was underneath the bottom rope, which is also a rope break for the first two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like after the match, they showed these replays, Gunther's leg was under the ropes, the referee made an error, should have been a rope break, but Cody retains.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, it's, it's their way of continuing the feud, I guess it's just a cowardly way I think to book a paper view match, and the, it's a very uninspired way to open a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quite frankly, I'd much rather see Gunther win the title, but I'm not surprised with the result at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're, take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you, I mean, neither one of us are professional referees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you were going to go to the professional referee school, when somebody makes a pin, isn't the first thing you do is to like look to see if their foot is under the rope, their arms up for something along those lines, I'm just curious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would think you would, you would certainly think, but yeah, now the thing that was really odd about this is that in the next match, the entire finishing sequence, and I tweeted about this,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was also about rope breaks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just thought just from I don't know there's different agents working on these matches, but ultimately like this is this has got to go through hunter with the finishing sequences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you have two matches in a row that are all about rope breaks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was questionable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, so the next match was Jade Cargill

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw a lot of praise out there for Jade, specifically in how she kind of carried herself with Ripley throughout this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree somewhat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still have a pretty tough time buying into Jade Cargill's matches for a couple of different reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she's improved certainly from like, not botching moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's been in the business now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's six issues?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Six years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like March of 2021 was her debut, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was...

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She started during the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was because I remember the match that she had a was shack against Cody and Brandy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was coming home from, it was in, it had been 2021.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because we were taking our dog to dog training at that point in time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was, yeah, 2021.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's probably been training, yeah, for like five to six years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you, I mean, you would expect some improvement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all were like, her going to WWE made the most sense because she would get more reps down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she has improved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This match was the second longest match on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They went almost 17 minutes, courses for the Women's Championship with Ripley defending.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that continues to plague Jade is everything that she does looks like it has the weight of a feather behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, nothing looks like it's laid in very much at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of like, you catch your talk and through her spots on camera a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of that in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jade was working over really early and the match really kinda died at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's this outside sequence where they're fighting with Jade on offense, where the camera caught nearly every single spot that Jade called out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like she's working very careful and you can, if you know what you're watching, you can pick up on it when you watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can very clearly see her calling every single spot to Rhea and she looks like it's weird to say this because she's such a strong woman and looks so impressive out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when she works,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she looks like she's working very dainty and like careful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just me, maybe other people don't feel that way, but when I watch her wrestle, just it seems like I said, if there's not a lot of weight behind the moves that she's laying, there's not she's not laying it in with much force.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great physical specimen, like I said, but the offense just does not look great to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks so telegraphed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as the match went on, Maria goes on offense, obviously, and she's trying to get the crowd back into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's working super hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd then starts to catch fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought the second half of the match was pretty darn good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where they get to that finishing sequence and it's all about the rope break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get Nietzschean and B-Fab runnin' out there when Jade's on the mat beat, and B-Fab is supposed to grab Jade's foot and put it on the bottom rope, and she leans in around the two count, and she totally whiffs on grabbing Jade's foot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jade was probably a little too far from the ropes first of all, but she whiffs on that, and then so Jade just kinda has to lift her leg up and put it on the ropes for the rope break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, Rhea Hadderbeat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but B Fab came out and screwed it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So second match in a row where that's the story, the botched rope break, you know, or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Charlotte Flair runs out and Charlotte's coming for Rea's backup and then Rea is beat in the ring and Charlotte puts Rea's foot on the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all, you know, there's fighting around the ring side with beef, ab and meat in and Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then ultimately, Ria does hit the rip tide and she gets the win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, was not surprised to see her win here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thought it was a little questionable how they told that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Second match and a row with the bottom rope being the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you, especially if you are Jade Cargill Wrestling Rear Ripley, you would want to make her make your offense look realistic because that's a woman that can definitely handle a little bit of extra oomph into a specific maneuver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, tying into those a bottom rope breaks for the full hour on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I would feel if I were a person watching in a regular ESPN and going maybe I want to order the next three matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really

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[SPEAKER_00]: like rope breaks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also questionable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're airing live on cable trying to get paying customers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You make everything about rope breaks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not how I would do it, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, maybe I'm out to lunch on this because, you know, I've read a lot of tweets and everyone's like, oh, yeah, cargo looks so good here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there was outside the rope break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't like the obvious batches like she's had in the past, but I just

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't lay it in hard enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just how I feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe, again, maybe you guys disagree with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me have it in the comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like she works too light, having all of that size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the third match then was at the top of the hour and this is when they go just to the pace I'd on the ESPN unlimited and it's Brock and Oberfemi and people were pointed out early when they showed Ober arriving at the arena that he had the boo-boo face on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like a guy who was about to lose and I don't think anybody was surprised that Ober would lose this match after, you know, basically destroying Brock at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they didn't need to do the retirement gimmick at WrestleMania, because it kind of took away from Oba's moment, especially if they're going where I think they're going here, because they then might be going to an actual retirement match at Summerslam in Minnesota, and you would expect Oba to win that in the rubber match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once again, the story's gonna be Brock Lesnar retired, not Oba Femi, but the shit out of Brock Lesnar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it was very questionable to run that angle at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here we are, I thought it was guaranteed Brockwood win and yes indeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brock won, but the match itself, despite what we said about the finish and the direction creatively, I thought the match was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a lot of energy behind everything that they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd was super into it throughout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did try to protect Oba like he, it took seven F-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then ultimately, like Brock gives him an F5 through the table on the outside, brings him back at the ring, you know, hits another one, and then he finally beat him after seven F5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they did what they can to like make Ober look really, really strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: afterwards, rocks like one plus one, you're done bitch or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but it was, it was a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one, I would recommend watching because it was short.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like six minutes, but it was a sprint high energy high impact the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you have a chance to see this one, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one I'm going to go back 100% to watch when my son goes to bed tonight because yeah, six minutes, 21 seconds, and I saw what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is really the only way you could beat Obofemi at this point and you don't want to ask this question to you guys a couple of months ago when he had defeated Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, do you want him to go on a Goldberg or like run?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once he finally does lose, how do you make his character look good?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you follow through on that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: because that's the one thing WCW did wrong with Goldberg afterwards was I think once the streak was over, a lot of the mistake was gone with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's still a lot left in the tank, but it also makes me question like what what a mere mortal is going to have to do to be dope a family later on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, right away, I was, I figured he was going to kick out, but it was, is interesting how it started because when it started, Brock just rushed him and immediately hit him with FIs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My God, they're not going to have him squash open return or they, but no, he had a F5, a second one, a third one, a fourth one covers, Oba kicked out of four F5's right away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Brock was really good here in the facial reactions, just being stunned that this guy kicked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leser had him in the comora at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obo fought out of that, slams him down to the mat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only botch was like, Obo was setting up a choke slam and they timed it a little wrong and like it looked like Brock just jumped in the air and fell to his back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obo didn't even really try to pick him up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was that was a little mistiming there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the way the camera shot it, you really couldn't tell too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, right after that, it was the fifth F5 and Oba kicked out again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Oba or brought kicked out of a choke slam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go down to the floor, that's where Luzner hit the F5 through the announced table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right after that, Obo got right up on his feet after taking the F5 through the announced table, which was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They ended up getting back to the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes after a listener at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting some offense in, but then ultimately we get that 7th F5 for the finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, this was the match I probably the most fun watching live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say that for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's exactly why I do want to go back and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like you already alluded to with it being his college home town, Brock's Minneapolis in August, I think it's going to be the easiest way for him to go out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see how that match is booked if it's like 60-40.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 50, 50 something along those lines and what he's going to do for Obofemi on the way out the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd imagine he's going to do something great for him just based on the original Wrestle Mania match, because Obo is entirely your future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One question I'm going to throw in your ballpark right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts on the overall on the crowd, the Italian crowd, because I love PLEs overseas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that match and a half that I watched, the crowd was doing wonderful like always.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, the crowd was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed these European crowds and I was a little like I said though I was a little surprised at some of the reactions like it seemed in this match like there are more behind Brock at points Which I was a little shocked by you'll have to let me know if you get that same

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think the same thing when you watch it, I thought they'd be more heavily behind Oba, but at this point in your career or his career, Brock's kind of like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a legend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's definitely going to play and do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a chance to see him over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They said Brock hadn't wrestled in Europe since 2002.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean that's that's why I didn't realize that that's what they said on commentary at least I don't know if we might need a fact check up But they said the hand wrestle in Europe since 2002.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been to Saudi Arabia a few times I don't know if he's been to Canada, but he's definitely actually he has been to Canada once he was there for elimination chamber 23 Yeah, we got a super chat and I want to thank him very much John hope ten British pounds

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll read this because superchats guarantee your check gets right on air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're watching this live and you want your chats featured, superchats are open.

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[SPEAKER_01]: John says, something for your beer coffee fund.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep up the quality guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just wanted to completely derail the pod and say how much I'm looking forward to speedball night and Osprey Mark II on Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're pretty vocal about this on the pod and which shows we enjoy watching the most of this moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of with you there as far as from an in-ring perspective for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe sac religious is a we'll ask for a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward more to MJF Rouge than I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey and Mark Davis at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same for speedball and Kevin night as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like dynamite and collision or just must see every single week at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, they're really hitting out of the park, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, thank you, John.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will put that towards our beer and coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we might need it later this week because we're thinking about recording our next T-R-N classics on ECW barely legal 1997.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the way, a show Jesse has wanted to do for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we might be recording that later this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting contacts with Justin, who is returning from Western Iowa, no man's land at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of off the grid, but when Justin gets back, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm breaking off about his close to a top quality gin, as there is when classics is on sale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am very, very excited to open that bottle of gin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You send us a picture of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to see you break that one open.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the only match we haven't talked about on this five match P.O.E.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the WWE Women's Intercontinental Championship with Becky Lynch defending against Sol Ruka, who, you know, they talked about, she's been a champion at NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like the speed champion, but she's never won a true main roster title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this was her chance to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as As I said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the match that I was starting to hit a wall during my mid-afternoon wall where I was like, you know what I need that caffeine or I'm not going to make it this is where I crash the middle of the afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll remember some of these big spots, you know, it was, it's one of those things where soul has kind of those eye popping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: acrobatic maneuvers, of course, being a gymnast, University of Oregon, I believe, in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they hit, sometimes, you know, they kind of miss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she hit the moon salt off the top to the outside, which they mentioned commentary just barely connected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She does this crazy stuff, which is sometimes it doesn't quite connect and it looks a little bachi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought from what I saw, the match was pretty fun, and probably one of the better matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, Roca, Soul Rooka is just using her athleticism trying to hit everything at Becky from multiple directions to keep her off guard being creative throughout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roca, you got Becky Lynch kind of turning the tie, working over Soul Rooka using her own momentum against her as they're going out to the arena floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They fought around ringside a little bit, they get back in the ring, there's uppercuts back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like kind of the story was Ruka using her speed to try to outpace Becky throughout putting Becky Lynch on defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She hit a missile drop, kick at one point that sent Becky across the ring, a running knee for a two count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She went for the sole snatcher, but Becky caught her, put her in the disarm her briefly, but then Ruka counters that into an STF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of counters and reversals at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At one point, the Elmos hit Jessica Carr, the referee, who had to like dive out of the ring to avoid getting hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, let's see, Ruka hits an ex-factor from the top rope, but Becky kicks out, and then Becky kind of cuts her off and shoves Jessica Carr to the ropes, which then causes Ruka to lose her balance

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then you get a DDT attempt from Becky, but Ruka blocks that, gets her hands up, hits Becky with a super kick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And kind of, the finish kind of came out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Lynch goes for a manhandle slam again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ruka gets out, just kind of hits the Soul Snatcher out of nowhere, scores the win, winning the icy title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her first main roster title of her career, they played that up as a big deal, beating someone like Becky with the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: History that she's had in this promotion, but yeah, there wasn't like a lot of momentum building up to that was like out of nowhere She just kind of went for the man-handle slam and it was instantly reversed into the finish and that was that so yeah Again first I was dozing off a little bit, but Ultimately, I think it was a pretty good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll need to go back and revisit before I score it, but I think the right finish

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[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a solid presentation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you need a veteran in there with Sol Ruka early on to like being able to convey a good story and also get her over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's super important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's lower down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That I think is what's most important in this in this aspect because Sol is very green still with a lot of athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her Sasuke specials are gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, again, like Bailey did on Saturday

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's going to help with a lot of seasoning as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so hopefully they kind of take her time with this icy title ring and continue to build her up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you got to put Becky back into that world title situation after this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's been messing around the icy title scene for quite some time now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think someone with her star power and her resume, you got to elevate her back into that world title scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps, I mean, she was just there a couple of years ago, but at the same time, you want to try to elevate new faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just a matter of, yeah, who to get up there to facelift more than at this point, who also is on a milk carton these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen her much if at all, except for a couple of promos here and there after WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a good look either for WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did show her sitting in the crowd tonight, so she was at least at ringside, but yeah, with the judgment day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we had that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, yeah, like if you're going to watch anything again, it's probably Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because it was so brief, but I saw it, so I don't really feel the need to revisit it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, this is probably not the match from their feud anyone's going to remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: Potentially summer slam in the match it'll end the feud or it's going to be WrestleMania and this will be that one kind of in the middle It's probably the more forgotten one of them But yeah, great crowd to your point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They always add to it whenever they're over in Europe and I thought I thought they Italian crowd was really really good and and the match was they're that show itself is just pretty average At least I got my night open ahead of me now

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most important thing, and I wish other companies would take a kudos to do that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that AWS is going to do that at the end of August with all in being at noon or one o'clock, whatever, our time at Wembley because of the bank holiday over there, too, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love some congruency with those two companies just to either put it on Saturday nights or put it at like five o'clock central time because I saw some beef as well later on about getting out at midnight and finding transportation to be a huge issue over on the weekends whereas hey, this means you have your whole night in front of you and you don't normally don't drift off to sleep or start to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we can hit briefly because I said I'd throw back to this at the end of the show, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts about that AAA match last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, the presentation, the entrances were spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was juice in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still a big fan in ring of Chad Gable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ludwig Kaiser and his mannerisms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am also a fan of his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's work rates fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's passable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crowd ate up everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did feel it was quite a bit convoluted with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe five or six run-ins, including the AAA president, she made her way in at some point twice to interfere in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of false finishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So while people call this maybe like one of the greatest matches of the year, I would not quite go that far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I was highly entertained, never board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would rate it between four to four and a quarter stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just because I think it's more about the spectacle of it than it was the ringwork for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the ringwork was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chad Gable is obviously going to put on a great performance no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I think just a plus for that crowd, they've bought into this entire angle for the last couple of months, and Steven Conway said it on my Patreon unplugged show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you wouldn't even think this was triple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't think triple A was part of WWE the way it's being booked right now, and he is very anti anything world-ressing entertainment, and even he's sinking his teeth into it and says,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the best things that he's seen going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Callaway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Callaway is he a better booker than Paula Beck?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what we're learning here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: People joking about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I said, I'm excited to watch it in full.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read a lot of the comments calling it like match of the year contender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see on cage match, it's got a similar rating to like, Ocada and to Keshta from last weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's at 9.58 on cage match right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little higher earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gone down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know, it's, I'm pretty sure Ocada and to Keshta are like 9.6 or something like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's pulling teeth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're really, they're really close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be surprised if I thought it was better than that one, but we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a greater point here is it shows how good Chad Gable is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about how there's been so many times where Chad Gable, they could have really went fully forward with, like you were at one of those matches, I think up in Minnesota, where it was a challenge for the icy title at the time and it felt a little more way and he won the match to become the number one

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he would always get like really close to them strapping them up and then they would never go all the way with them and he's sunk his teeth into this and made it work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is just an ultra talented dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It again shows there's all this potential in WWE with some of these people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just got to give them the runway to let them take off and Chad Gable has all the potential in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Always has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've always been super high on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've always been really high in Jacob

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and some of these Obofemi, of course, people that we see a lot of potential in, he's kind of let him run with the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's people there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We might be really down creatively on WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's still people that we like to watch work and people that we want to see get that opportunity and we want to see creative improve for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though sometimes we complain about WWE, I certainly did the beginning of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And creatively, I don't agree with some of the decisions being made.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still think they got a lot of talent there that I want to see have a chance to go to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ludwig Kaiser, I feel would be Intercontinental Championship worthy because of the character that he has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could easily get over with the American audience and has a little on occasion as Gunther Sidekick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chad Gable on masking last night, his family was in the ring I forgot to mention this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the crimson mask and even wiped some of his hand a blood on his daughter's hands and her daughter looked at it kind of funny like this is gross and he unmasked and he said his name his government name and he said the year he was born March 7th 1986 he was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota former Greco Olympian Roman Greco Roman Olympic wrestler and it was was kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a he didn't jump a Ludwig after the match just walked right out with his eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he said he said his real name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we said Chad Gable went through his birthday went through all of his accolades.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's, I mean, his actual...

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[SPEAKER_01]: his actual name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure what his real name is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm like going to look it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you meant like he said his off camera name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Charles Betts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Charles Betts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charles Betts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not say Charles Betts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My fault, folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did say government name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chad Gable in ring name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got another super chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brittany appreciate shout out from you and then the support Brittany says hey guys sorry I'm late but how are you doing in triple A was amazing clash was all right thoughts on Brock take in the win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah he ought to rewind on the Brock stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I wasn't surprised as we said it's just they're setting up the rubber match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't be too mad because it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think both times Obo wins in this feud, it's gonna be overshadowed by Brock retiring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they really should have done it the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was unnecessary at Russell Mania to do the retirement angle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially since I think it's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, maybe at SummerSlam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like I said, Brock has been a little bit sourd on this pot, unfortunately, with some of the stuff that he's going through legally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, they're setting up that third match here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather read some of our slamming Minneapolis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to put that triple ratio on the background as I do some of these chores around the house tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But once we get to that main event, I'm going to have to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the main event, wasn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I would have said it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 9.57 on Cage match by the way, 474 votes for Gabel and Kaiser.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that is pretty damn high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Four and a quarter is what I would honestly go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's just because of all of the convoluted stuff that was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It made sense in the story yet, it was too much for my personal liking, but can't deny everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when we get up to that match, I will be sitting down with my full attention for sure, but I've had the rest of the show kind of on the background, just take it in here a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for the record by the way, folks, double or nothing, I think I only rated one match higher than four and a quarter on that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely in comparison with some of the upper-level stuff on that card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was a little higher than you on some of those over on our Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went four and three quarters on Takeshta and Okada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a couple four and a quarter and four and a half on that show as well, but I mean, that was like an all-time level pay per view last weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the best I've ever watched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I want to give a shout out to Brittany who became a T-R-N plus member just now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on our channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't promote it all that much, but TRN Plus is a great way to support our show because you get access to the video versions of most of our bonus podcasts, select TRN Classics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a patron, you get the podcast and video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you become a channel member on YouTube, you get the video version of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The video version of some of Jesse's shows that he does for unplugged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get most of the archive on there, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a couple of books cheaper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You also get recognized on our channel homepage, if you're a member of TRN Plus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you get like special privileges here in the chat as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just another way to support us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if we, if we grow the tier on plus thing here on YouTube a little bit more, it might get to the point where we can do like, some special bonus question and answer streams only for the YouTube members.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be something fun we could do in the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've got a handful of members here on the YouTube and appreciate Brittany for becoming a paid channel member.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the unofficial third co-host of today's show has been quite loud in the background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very animated, and it took him to the history museum today of Minnesota, and he was super intrigued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ryan could maybe go on for about 30 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: great, jump pretty if you wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was definitely a highlight for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what last thing with the TRN Plus stuff, I am actually going to definitely be doing one show live in a couple of weeks covering Will Last Pration go to Kagi from 2019 with a certain TRN patron hint hint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look forward to that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought it was a tight show and we're right up on an hour as usual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't do these shows any faster than an hour just he's just not possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you and I could talk forever even about bad professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as good as bad pizza because there's no such thing as but like below average pizza still really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Below average wrestling is just uh just go listen to our bash at the beach two thousand

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was when we were wondering, are patrons trying to punish us or something with some of these shows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had us reviewing during that summer, a bash with the beach 2000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's in the archives here, Brittany, on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you go back and watch the video version of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise patrons can get the podcast version as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your support, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a decent crowd here right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you just were about to end, but if you click like on the video, we would appreciate that, because it'll get out to more people here on demand after the fact,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this happens every single show where we're getting ready to end and then our viewership spikes for some reason and everyone starts joining the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyone joining his live right now, rewind and start at the beginning because we just review the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to hear me rant at the beginning and then settle down a little bit, but ultimately talking pro wrestling with my guy Jesse on a Sunday afternoon, I can't complain too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's easily one of the highlights of my day, and not only that, but of the history museum, as again, this almost five year old is out of control right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're dedicated pot gasters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just see trying to wrangle a small child off to the side who made a brief appearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My kids begging me to go put up some shells for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna get to that now before I get kicked out of my house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Jesse Velasquez, I'm Ryan Drossie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate to support everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Subscribe to the channel, hit that thumbs up, and we'll talk to you again real soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care, everybody.