Sami Zayn's Big Moment, AEW Nails It Again

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_01]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a good afternoon, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's episode 420 of Top Rope Nation, Ryan Drossie in Jesse Velasquez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here on a Monday afternoon to talk about a huge weekend in pro wrestling, we're going to discuss WWE night of champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk a W for bid and door all the latest news and pro wrestling and hopefully interacting with the lively chat room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're joining us live, let us know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether you are on YouTube or Twitter or TikTok or all of the places that we are streaming right now Let us know you're out there Jesse my friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a while since we've done a show together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing sir?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And most certainly has been I'm just doing the absolute best I can to stay cool outside because ladies and gentlemen The humidity is struck in Minnesota just like every summer here in the Twin Cities

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a heat dome, Jesse settling over the upper Midwest this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'll be trying to stay cool as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I didn't talk about this on the air before I left, kind of kept it under wraps, but you and Justin did a show here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What a week and a half ago two weeks ago something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was because I was out of town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went down to Florida.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to Disney with my family and it was super hot there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically the warnings that we have for heat warnings in the Midwest this week is what it was every day in Orlando.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was sweating my butt off down there and now the heat has followed me back home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, good to be on the air with you again to talk a little pro grabs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was a lively weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of talking points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that we can get into today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to go match by match for both shows because we're not going to do a three hour podcast today, but I'm going to talk about some of the major talking points, you know, the high points, the things to discuss as far as the future for both of these promotions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was selective on what I watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably a smart decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably a very smart decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and you guys, of course, let us know in the chat what your thoughts are on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As we kind of start talking about them, as always, super chats are open.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like this video while you're here, I covered

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Bleacher Report on Saturday night of champions solo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did the watch along on the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a ton of talking points on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it was probably like a sea plush show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did think the main event was a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked watching it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave it four stars on our Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a really, really good match with some great spots mixed in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're there a couple of botches here and there did a splash, not look so good at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I've seen the clips on social media, but also, I mean, there was this sweet reversal that Sammy Zane did where he got picked up for the power bomb, basically like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: flipped over Gunther into a destroyer slash sunset, which was really awesome and unique.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, obviously, you know, the big talking, but we'll just start there, is Sami Zayn wins the WWE undisputed title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First time he's held a world title in the WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe three years too late, but I did not see this coming at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was shocked when this happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think that they would switch the title on, you know, essentially a B show during the middle of the afternoon, U.S. time on a Saturday in July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just did not see that coming at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was absolutely stunned, Jesse, when he won the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what was your initial reaction

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not the only one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're the one who told me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was at the Minnesota Zoo, Ericomo Zoo, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just parading around with my son having a blast and I saw that and I was just like, shocked to say the least number one in the number two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my words to you were about three, four years, two, late, and in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did watch the match and Sammy looked

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[SPEAKER_02]: very good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say this was like gunther wrestle many a 40 good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could even go back a little bit further into his earlier days with WWE and also his NXT.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just he just looked motivated so you could tell that he was going to win the title on this night and Cody and Gunther definitely obliged as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very seamless triple threat which I enjoyed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree with you for sounds about right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could even be talked in the

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[SPEAKER_02]: that was too sloppy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even that splash that missed it with, it's still, it serves its purpose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going through a call to enough of it to break up the pen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't really default it, but it

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[SPEAKER_02]: Geez, Sammy was warmer the beginning of this year than he was in the last month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He lost the belt the trick Williams United States and then he's just been kind of floundering in the middle of nowhere, like his only other win before after WrestleMania was against Matt Cardona.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're just wasn't enough steam for me to go, hey, this is a justified championship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is more like a, hey, well, congratulations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're probably going to transition this to somebody else in a few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, look, we've been up and down on Sammy for different reasons on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone who listens to us weekly knows that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were really high on him going into that elimination chamber in Montreal what three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We thought there were, I mean, there was a legitimate shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I argument to put the title on him, even though it was right before WrestleMania, I mean, that was like the peak of his career coming out of the blood line turn and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when it would have mattered the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know that kind of sounds hollow because for him, you know, professionally, he still got the world title now on his resume.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, this is the world title, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is the one with the lineage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the going all the way back to Bruno WWE Championship right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is the real deal that he's holding here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the one they created out of thin air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the world title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is truly the one that means the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean for him, having that on his resume, that's what's gonna matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, it's weird because I put this on our Twitter, I feel good for him, you know, as a person and a guy who's busted his ass and this industry for a long time and been a quality dude all along the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: didn't feel much coming out of it, which was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt weird that I didn't feel much about it, because other people were on social just like, go crazy about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Sam, he's ain't finally his achieving moment and all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I probably would have felt that way three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now I just, it's just like one of those things where it's like, okay, yeah, like he deserves it, he's worked hard, but I just emotionally did not feel connected to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For a lot of the reasons that you said, I mean, his character's super cold right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was totally out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And...

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just reeks of being a transitional situation, like my instant thought right afterwards is they're going to have Brock destroy him and then Oba's going to challenge Brock to win the title at SummerSlam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they've been talking about doing an Oba enrollment, which I mean, I don't know, maybe we'll get some clarity tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they do that, but it still feels like they're going to do Oba, Femi and Brock Lesnar three, you know, to break up the one versus one with their records against each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Summerslam would be in a huge show in Brock's adopted home town in Minneapolis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And why else would you have Sami Zayn when the title here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And less, like they're not going to have Brock Lesnar destroy Cody Rhodes or even really beat Cody Rhodes right now probably to set up that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they have him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, do you know, like what they did to Kofi on that smack down on Fox debut a few years back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where he, you know, I'm just won the title really quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Brock does that to Sammy, Brock's the champion, and then oh, be it's him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's just where my mind went right away because this just is so out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why else would you do it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean Madison Square Garden Saturday night's main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they said July 18, almost is earmarked for a lessner win and a two week reign where he won't defend it until he gets to manyapolis and he might just go title versus career or title in career versus Oba.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that makes sense story line wise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be very, very sad for Sami Zayn and Jay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I completely agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could even do it right around WrestleMania 40 when he won it from Gunther that 666 Intercontinental Day Intercontinental title ring that was shot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you would maybe like reheated him after he lost that title, the Brownbreaker, maybe won it the end of 2024.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that could have been pretty simple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't have been too difficult to heat up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll read this comment from the beef mortos we all know who this is and our chat room who says, I don't understand how you have a guy like Sammy who could easily be reheated and given a Kingston Danielson run to the title just given a zero fanfare win this from the so-called story-telling company Yeah, I mean totally out of nowhere seems like something to be done to like shake it up and change the narrative of the company being

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it's succeeded a little bit in that regard, but I just, yeah, I just don't feel it it feels like it's unarmed emotionally speaking like this just I don't really have that connection to it at all, but you know, it made a lot of headlines and got people talking and you know, it was a good made event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would recommend if

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you want to watch any of this show to watch this and maybe Seth Bronnell was kind of a weird match, but this is like the one match I would watch on United Champions for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a good to see Brittany in the chat and Eric as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see you guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean right now, this part of the Pods probably are going to age well because they might

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[SPEAKER_00]: give us more clues tonight on Ron where the going so we're not going to go too much into it but I mean that was just my initial thought as oh god they're just giving him a transitional run as champion to set up something else because what else would possibly make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did see there was some report going around today I have no idea if it's accurate where WWE was planning to actually put the belt on Sammy next year at WrestleMania and in Saudi Arabia but they rushed it up to this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find it hard to believe they've even thought about what they're going to do at WrestleMania next year at the way they've been booking lately, but who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they certainly haven't been booking Sami's in like a guy that they envisioned winning the title next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, like I said, they had him win a fatal four win, January, lose a match to Drew McIntyre at Royale Rumble that was just okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he quickly won the United States title after that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I either defeated Carmelo or Ilya Dragon off in three weeks later, he loses it to trick and he's fighting a gingerbread man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that pretty much tells you right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of what they were thinking of San Jose in at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to go to beef mortos in his next chat here in just a second because that's going to transition into that match discussion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the the rest of the show really quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: King of the ring finals, the two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they opened with Oba and J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Oba fed me one by eight minute match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: J got a little bit of offense, but Oba mostly was dominant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Glad that they went that direction and didn't try to overthink this and do some bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, very straightforward, open-femmy wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the right call, Eosky and Liv Morgan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of weird, Eosky, and this is an okay match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eosky wins, and then immediately announces that she's going to challenge Liv Morgan for the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's honestly, which I was pretty surprised by that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess, you know, that's the direction there are going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they'd do Eo and Rhea Ripley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, they're going to have a rematch right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the second match of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I mean, it was the typical WWE PLE tons of downtime, tons of commercials, pretty piss poor viewing experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Huge contrast to what we saw for Bitten Door, where it was just action action action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of downtime on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other two before we get to Rounds and Breaker, trick Williams beat Ricky Saints in a very average to below average match with almost zero crowd reaction, super cold match, not worth watching, whatever trick Williams wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Tiffany Stratton beat Jade Cargill in a horrible match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that match was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a, that was in the semi-main slot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, nothing to go out of your way to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was a bad match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I gave that one and a half stars in our Patreon, great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched Oba and Jay us so it was action packed for how short it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was happy to see it and give Jay a little bit of offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crowd was into it, but Oba winning it in under 10 was A.K.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely the right move there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not watch Seth and Bronn, so we'll get to that in a moment, but the one I watched because as everybody know, I have a soft spot in my heart for Ricky Stark's was him and trick Williams because I don't know if he'll be on a PLE ever again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: after this night it's just a matter of yeah they don't I think the last couple of months is kind of proven he hasn't gotten over with audiences on the main roster so far uh he pin Carmelo Hayes to earn this title shot by uh throwing him into an exposed turn buckle the same uh move that it took Roman 10 times to hit Jacob Vattu with the knock him out thanks one to defeat

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that match was very heatless little yaddy with one of the worst people's elbows I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That one too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there just isn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There really wasn't much there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's super unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, trick obviously should be going over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just would expect more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Braunbreaker and Rollins, again, I'm not going blow for blow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even really have many spots to call out other than the finish and just talk about who won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's going to be kind of what we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to just skim over these matches, but Jay asked a good question here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or sorry, beef mortos, he said, real question with no snark as someone who doesn't want to WWE, have they sourd on breaker?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was surprised that Rollins won this match and it seems to this plays into my theory on where they're going for Summerslam because I don't believe they're going to do Oba and Roman because I think you have Seth Wins and Smash to set up Seth and Roman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the only logical reason I can see to have him win the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't explain it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Breakers should have won the match in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the younger guy, Rollins loses nothing by losing this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a made guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it does feel to the point in the chat like they sourd on him a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was told by somebody years ago when he was first starting in the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that Vince was very surprised at how short Ron Braker was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't like short wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Vince is an in charge anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know if any of that has rubbed off on the writing room or not, but that's a true story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to tell me that Vince was stunned when he saw him up at headquarters for the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was shorty was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bron Braker has everything that WWE should want in pushing in a young star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got a lot of potential, but this result was very strange to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would agree, and I do believe that it's going to be Rollins and Reigns at Summerslam here in the Twin Cities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've been kind of teasing you a little bit and you over the head with it over the last month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a larger match that's going to be more attractive to the audience that enjoys the WWE at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bronn is, and I've heard this joke on a couple of podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They say he's about 10 years away from winning his first world title, because

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wait until they're mid to late 30s in order for to you to get pushed to the moon because he's been in the ring with punk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already defeated Seth at one point in time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's rubbed elbows with some of the top performers on the roster shows that he can hang.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He can cut a promo too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just don't understand the logic of you not wanting to push somebody in their late 20s, early 30s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're doing right now with Obo, which hopefully

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just think that even if it hit some right in between the eyes with somebody young, it doesn't matter, they just push you off to the side because that's what hunters used to and perhaps this is what TKO wants is somebody with more name appeal at the top, even though Bronn, you can play it off with, hey, his dad and his uncle were the Steiner brothers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why the hell would you give him a different name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a Steiner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a name, people know why you make it in a harder on the guy, and I just give him that last name, first of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they still acknowledge his lineage on TV, which is totally conflated, makes no sense to me at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought that was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he looked good in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a cage match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they, I mean, they use like weapons throughout the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bronn blood at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took a superplex through a table, which was a big spot in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth ends up winning with like a super perp stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, he goes up to the top rope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the stop, it gets the win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, they were trying to make Bronn look as good as possible despite taking the L.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think another company did a much better job of that in a show where about to talk about where someone had to take an L, and they did whatever they could to make that person still look like a superstar and really make them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one, yeah, it was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe worth watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was long, it was almost 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like that to me had times didn't really fly by, but it was a decent match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even remember, I gave it like three and something, I think, in my ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just the only I can only make sense of that finish is if they're doing Seth and Roman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one other point before I forget that I wanted to make because it stood out a lot in this match to was how bad Michael Cole was on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say I've never thought Michael Cole's particularly good on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought he was better as like a backstage interviewer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This, the production on the show was really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Mike uncool was kind of garbled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it would, in the podcast world, it's called like when you're Mike Peaks and it like starts to distort because you're too loud and I am cognizant of that when I'm doing a podcast and I try not to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His was peaking constantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they have a lot more money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can put, you know, tools on that Mike so that when it peeks it just kind of go silent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they didn't have it set up right and his mics sounded terrible and by the end of the show was like breaking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Michael Cole was not good on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The production lagged in the process.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you definitely hit one of the points I was going to make because at times he sounded like he was speaking through a can during the full of Femi J. Uso match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit on Corey Gray's in that match too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if it's just being in a foreign country or what, but yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Brittany had asked here too how we felt about live being in the queen of the ring, make it in the finals just to see EO win and challenge live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like I said, puzzling, I thought, I don't really mind the champion being in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it should make the tournament feel bigger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What she get cursed by Dan Housen is that the story now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it's whatever I don't know why they would just go right back to a rematch though, you know, like I said, I thought maybe Rio was the direction, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you also have another five or six women on the roster you could have put in Liv's slot and had pushed them a little further, gone with a different match and then have EO challenged Liv, which by the way Liv hasn't been wrestling too many singles matches recently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She won her title at WrestleMania and hasn't defended it since.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe this was a way for her to have a bunch of non-title matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's night at champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably some more clarity on TV tonight on Raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else you wanted to say on that show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'd like to think about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely like a headline popping show because of the main event, which is worth watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to sound too negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the people come after us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not fair to WWE and I think we are fair to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are shows if not been good lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once in a while there's something worth watching like this main event, which is a solid solid match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you had to get through a ton of fluff to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the ads all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard Brian Alvarez say this when he was ranting about this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN probably way, way, way too much for WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The viewership is not what they had wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're plastering these shows with ads to try to make some of that money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as the viewer, you suffer for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just downtime after downtime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at one point in the show, they threw it, you know, to like the post game show, which was like test it tour and Biggie, and they were talking about like, how what, you know, what an awesome show this is better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were just like stalling for time, they threw it back out to the crowd, then they, they checked it on the Arabic announcers,

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[SPEAKER_00]: talking about, oh, how are they calling the show over there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, what are we doing here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get to the next match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, it was a poor, poor viewing experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, that's what you give a WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of ads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of ads.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That part was miserable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would probably be rank in my top floor matches of the two cards that I watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther, perhaps wrestling, Nick Aldis, had Summerslam?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a huge fan of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy, I mean, nothing against Nick Aldis, but at Summerslam, Gunther, the guy who retired John Cena, is wrestling Nick Aldis, is that the plan for Summerslam, that's not a lot of foresight with your booking, if that's your direction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther's Russell Pat McAfee in the past and I have seen Nick Aldis that modest brewing once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he just wanted to go directly down the road and Russell, it's not Target Center, US Bank Stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Midwest legend, Nick Aldis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That they just figured they had to put Nick, Nick Aldis, since they're up in Minneapolis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a big match in the stadium, so that's why he's going to wrestle Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what other justification there is, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, I was probably the only person in the entire place who knew that he who he was number one and I had another joke and I just lost it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been around the trick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The trade goes that's Hall of Fame a lot too over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Midwest legend for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On officially retire him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Since he hasn't had his official retirement match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So one other thing, Eric, yeah, modest for my money is the best brewery in the Twin Cities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't drink nearly as much as I used to, and but that is definitely at the top for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, glad you're able to get there and Prof Gosh, I haven't seen him and heard him in years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I can imagine what's solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My former favorite brewery was Dangerous Man, which I believe is reopening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was always my favorite up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was happy to hear they were coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The old brewery was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Different location, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe so I haven't checked into it yet at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, King of the Ring 98 by the way, oh, I'm really excited to cover that because I think that's one of the two paper views that I did not cover for that 1998,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, oh, by the way, I was going to say what the breweries in Minnesota and all that we are going to try to get at least a few of us up there in the Twin Cities area during Summerslam week with all the indie shows haven't talked to Justin I know I definitely want to go up there so hopefully at least Jesse and I will be there maybe check out some of the indie shows not planning to go to Summerslam unless I get a really cheap ticket same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see but I do hope to be in the area at least a little bit so maybe we can have a meet up with some of our westerners like Eric for example the others be fantastic my girlfriend did some investigative reporting thankfully

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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like the wrestle cons that's been friday through Sunday is not starting till 4 p.m. on Friday She looked at that and says how about we go up to Duluth on Thursday and we come back home on Saturday late morning early after noon So you can go to the wrestle con at least you don't miss anything

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[SPEAKER_02]: and of course that also ties into somebody we're going to talk about later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's actually signing autographs there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get to meet him for the very first time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we can probably make a Saturday night viewing or maybe even something on Sunday or reality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We could probably maybe score some cheap tickets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What happened?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy lost, so I do a lot of the BR shows with he's up there as well, so he could join in on the fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We could definitely get a fun group together, so we will plan that as we get towards the end of the July for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll let some of you guys know what we got going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we'll get the details out there in the discord and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely on Patreon as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about it, Dante is like, finally, A, W, talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to give me your grade A through F, for a bit more, because I know this is one we both saw in full.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really happy that I rewatched a match today, and I watched a match for the first time this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's gonna maybe alter my grade later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For now, it is an A minus, I can be talked into an A, I think throughout this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is another one of those I would say albums where there are no skips and the only reason I say there are no skips.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's one match particular.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a huge fan of But it had something kind of big happen at the end of the match, which Alt which made that viewing a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, some of the matches that I We're look was looking forward to underwhelmed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were two or three that weren't done by radar that over achieved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in my humble opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So a minus is my grade for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, I think, boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll go full a on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard not to for me, just the level of high level matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were, say, level one more time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the high level matches on this show were incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was this show went till about 11, 50 central time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was damn near five hours of paper view time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's always a talking point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the one match that really stands out was the show to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then cut, butt to your point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tana-ha, she comes out, so that's why they wanted it on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we didn't need to go 18 minutes though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it took a couple of a lot of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you look at the rest of the show, there's really nothing to cut outside of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, they just gave, there was a lot of really long matches, you know, like they opened up first match when almost 20 minutes, then Omega and Saber, they go just under 30 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that was the first hour of the show was two matches and there's not really any downtime on these eight W shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like match match match when they do a pre match height video, they're very brief, like less than two minutes and so you pretty much get right after it constantly, it's constant action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: anywhere to cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's, there's big talking points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the main event direction for all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about the women's match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, where would you prefer to start here, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will let you choose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause yeah, these are the two matches I was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start the women's match because I've seen people going back and forth on what was the match of the night right now on cage match Mercedes and Maya is the highest scored match by a few decimal points but the last three matches are basically all at nine out of ten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: aggregate on cagematch.net.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, the Kenny Omega's X-Abra match is over nine as well, which is the second match of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I tend to think, I really like the semi-main with the steel cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was quite as good as these people are giving it, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did think Mercedes in my world was an outstanding match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was the match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will differ from people on that maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was a four plus star match in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got to give both ladies a ton of credit, especially Mercedes in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because early on, there was

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[SPEAKER_00]: like some wardrobe malfunctioning that was happening with Maya's top that she was wearing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were trying to work the match with all that going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought Mercedes did a really good job of no pun intended trying to cover up for all that happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just really being a ring general out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the closing stretch of this match, which by the way, went almost 25 minutes, was about as good as you will ever see in a professional wrestling match, men or women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of alluded to this a little bit ago, when I said that with Ron Breaker, they were trying to protect him, you know, trying to make him look like a big star, even though he was gonna lose to Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of succeeded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe here they absolutely succeeded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have built up my world in just a few weeks as like a borderline main eventer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is remarkable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they really had the crowd behind her with the personal tragedy bit and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just didn't think going in that they could have her win the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you got a stadium show that they gotta move tickets for and Mercedes is a big name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even though Tecla and Mercedes doesn't make a lot of sense from the heel versus heel dynamic,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a huge name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I always felt like Mercedes was going to go over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, they had you believe in my had a chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is how you get someone over while still beating them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My world came out of this match, looking like a million bucks despite the L. I mean, she got so close and you have to credit Mercedes for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she did whatever she could to get this woman over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think succeeded in then some.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the match I've rewatched and I just finished it right before we got on the air because these late night paper views me being like before the sun comes up riser I just could not hang on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think watching that in a different light last night had me thinking maybe I have a little bit of time to watch this one before and say hey I think my grade could be a little bit better by the rewatch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It went up a half a star just by rewatching it with a clear brain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually surprised at how crisp everything was because last night I was like, this is a basher to here in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd doesn't seem into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden, yeah, it almost didn't look like Maya had a wardrobe malfunction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even halfway through, she would occasionally tug, but it wasn't just this blatant, oh crap, I got to run into a corner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, just panic all about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think playing off the story that Maya was a humongous fan of Mercedes in knowing all of her moves, kind of verbatim really helped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think in this aspect, and for her to have I think maybe four singles matches going into this on a W

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then also being in a tag team with high-end when they weren't even booked to be on a specific card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Tegan Knox went into business for herself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got booted and look what's happened ever since.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you can totally play off this and let Maya continue to blossom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's something I think that also AW needs is a shot in the arm in the women's division, because you can only rely on a couple of people so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, tremendous match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was

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[SPEAKER_02]: pleasantly surprised on rewatch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, I mean, right winner here, and then the heel versus heel dynamic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they have two months to figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I grew at the point, Jay's making here in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says my world now feels like the inevitable person to do throne Athena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also agree with what he said in the discord last night that that match absolutely should be on all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at Wembley Stadium, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should put that ROI to women's title on the line in front of that huge crowd, get my world out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I played into it right after the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to interview with Athena right afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that looks to be the direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, put that out there in the stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% agree, but yeah, I think this match was a star-making performance for her, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I wouldn't have it as my match at the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll upset some people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it was as good as the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know people, I seem people all over the board of the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen people saying all too many spam finishers, you know, and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the same people, by the way, that say that, that think Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker is the greatest match of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ironically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The spam finishers in this main event between Osprey and Swarth, in the own finals, made all the sense in the world because of the history that guys have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you go back to forbidden door two years ago when they had their first match, and they had that match because Osprey was reaching as apex already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was coming

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Swerve had just won the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked a lot about it on the show at the time, how like they had both these guys who are really hot and you couldn't like go from Swerve to Osprey that quickly because you had to give Swerve as chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that Osprey behind the scenes pushed a lose to Swerve to basically like cement Swerve as the top guy in that moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did, and then outstanding match two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, then a year ago on Dynamite, they had a 30 minute time limit draw, you know, so the story is that just Osprey has not been able to beat this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why it makes sense to have him hating him with absolutely everything and he can't keep him down and he's been doing this training with the deathwriters, you know, and then ultimately the deathwriters come out there and they're trying to get him to that dark place and their urgent amount and then at one point I think it's on my thumbnail and made for you to ask right like looks out and he just like screams in the air that was so freaking awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's just reaching that level where he's going to dig down just a little bit more, you know, and then of course he hits him with the tiger driver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes to that dark place to break it out and that's what he had to hit, you know, to get to finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is about as perfect as as you will ever see in a professional wrestling match like Dante said in the discord last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in our chat here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Ryan doesn't give this five stars up canceling my Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is, this is, I haven't decided for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm put out the ratings yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a borderline five star match, four share, in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the people that thought it was too spammy with the finishers are way off-base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's the story that it built up for two years and you have to do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only part of the match I hated were the dueling one counts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, when they both kind of like amped up and did that, um, it was hidden blade and then house call, I think, and back to back sequences and then the double close lines to each other kind of knock him out for a few seconds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that honestly right now is the only thing that's keeping me at the moment, and I don't know if I'll rewatch this again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 475 to 5.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, do I penalize them for just that trope that I cannot stand?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just might, but the blood, I mean everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These guys know each other so well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will at first you're like, if that's pretty deep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it comes over the top and says, hold my beer and cuts almost wasted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unreal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, his blood was like coagulating in his hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had so much blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It

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[SPEAKER_00]: is able to watch the show he obviously just as I with us today at all, but he hasn't had a chance to watch the show yet, but when he does, we know Justin likes a good bloody match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When he watches this one, I didn't tell you this off air, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually, you know, the time machine we use in TRN classics, we get in that time machine we go back in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually able to access that time machine today before we went on the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I took a picture of Justin watching this match in the future, and I'm just going to put them the screen right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony, you're almost out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll get the South Park picture with that stands dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy Marsh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or yeah, it might be this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to love this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no question about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm going to rewatch it today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just watched it the one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was with him all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing went.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How long was 35?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 35 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it started 11, 14 central time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember looking at the clock when it started and yeah, the show went out there about 10 to 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, right finish, there's no way, you could, you know, it's one of those things where sometimes the right decision is the most obvious decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just couldn't have us right, lose to Swarve again here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to finally go for with Osprey as the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've waited a few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may have missed his peak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens, but he still feels really

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he got to show a Wembley stadium in his home countries coming off of the next surgery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't overthink this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the right guy to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the right guy to challenge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what's going to be really interesting is who does he wrestle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because they could go a couple of different directions, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They really can, I actually want to tie into something too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, and this is what I would do if I was booking, because Justin and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago were like, who in the world knocks off John Moxley's Continental Champion?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think your answer is in front of you, it's where a strictland.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would not mind seeing that match at either all-in or all-out, and Swerve taking that championship because I would love to see him work that style for six months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's something that he hasn't done since probably 23.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's see this Swerve, and let's watch him work against some of the best at AEW has to offer in a hunt him down because yeah, I'm biased, these are my two, I would say in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And their styles just mesh so well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've known each other for a decade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're a vizimatter of fact in the middle of the match was this saying, yeah, you may be, you're my little brother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been beat you up for 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How in the world do you think you're going to beat me now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's just those little elements too on top of the high impact moves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't feel like the high impact moves truly hit until maybe the last seven minutes of the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it it built up to a crescendo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought quite well in the way that they laid it all out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to throw up some of these chats here from our listeners about this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Eric says it was beautiful the way they did the storytelling, Swarve takes off the gloves and that's when Will went to that dark place to get the job done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay mentioned and yeah, how this goes back to Danus and Osprey too with the tiger driver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, when he hurt

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian and that match, you know, that always bothered him and he hasn't wanted to break out that move since really, yes, so then he goes to that dark place and now he's extra dangerous now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He breaks up the tiger driver, Dante saying it was such a great match in a moment that I didn't mind being up until 1 a.m. to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I, yeah, if I had to work today, I totally would have forced myself to watch that match, but I was just like, I can't do this all the way till the morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's gonna be great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It ended up being better than what I thought it was gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Diffria, I'd say from their first two matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dante talking about how predictable is an always bad Kyle said that over the years, I've said that many times on this podcast too that sometimes the most obvious thing is the right direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw Meltzer tweet that the other day too, something along the line, so if that's the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The irony here is like the right direction is also the most obvious direction and I think that's absolutely true here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the obvious direction is Will Osprey needs to be a world champion this year and he's a win at Wembley Stadium and so this is where they have to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean there's this talk that they could have MJF drop the title to Omega at their next paper view up in Montreal at the end of the month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could hotshot it to Omega who would then just have like a one month title reign and do Omega Osprey and a huge match at Wembley and then have Omega drop it could go that direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do a triple threat too This is the storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is the storytelling with AEW all we've said this before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The people that say AEW doesn't tell stories are bad faith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not watching the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have hinted at this for months now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was the dynamite after dynasty

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right when they had Omega and Osprey do that backstage promo about now maybe I don't have it anymore and Omega or Osprey trying to will on Omega that he could still do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they've been telling this story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had the interactions here and there ever since backstage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we said it on the pod that week that it looked like Omega and Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This could be the direction for all in or at least, you know, somehow the story is going to involve both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how they get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, let's see, Jay likes the idea of Swerve Mox at all and I would also really like the Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's there now in black and white because there's been the last three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It, the death riders in Swerve have been a little bit of a little bit of odds to, mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's see, what other matches do we want to talk about on this one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could go to the cage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: My kids did not, they stayed up until my two oldest daughters, watch Mercedes and Maya with me, and then they went to bed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this match, I was kind of in and out of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say I need to rewatch before I can for sure do my star rating on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the weapons, especially NES bot, was really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Funny how the NES was even yellowed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could tell it was a legit, old NES.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got the blue thunder bomb, you know, two fletcher on the outside through the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got the circular cage, which was unique.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What'd you think of the circular cage?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was waiting for either Kevin Knight, probably Kevin Knight, to do the Elex Skipper TNA spot on that cage last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The walk the top of the cage and jump off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How dangerous that would have been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'd be insane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I kind of like that aspect to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It brings a little bit of a different feel, but it also led to more space, I think, in between the ring, which is, what do you think from a safety perspective?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you rather have it that wide or bring it in closer quarters?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I don't mind it like if you're going to, you know, essentially turn it into a weapons match like they did here, I think it's fine, you know, just to have more space for that I think I think traditionally I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the more traditional cage on the ring posts in the ropes better because it's more close quarters and it feels more dangerous to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when you open it up so much, it doesn't feel, it's weird to say because they use so many weapons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel as violent because you don't feel like you're as trapped like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I like having less space or no space around the ring personally if I'm doing a cage match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, but it did be played into the Kevin Knight spy a little bit later, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I should do, place the top of the cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got the explosion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Knight died, seen the giffin' there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, Eric mentioned that NES controllers wrapped in barbed wire, also, which was a nice little touch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, we had the on-draught a turn at the end, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, man, a lot happened in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Leo Rush coming out again, a gigantic pop from the crowd when he did his gollum bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was nice, um, why, what else?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Riley, also blowing on the, on the, the car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, was one of my favorite parts of that, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could be all concimpatized with him on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then one kind of underrated spot was Willow, night and gale packaging, the oranges.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they eventually use some of that citrus orange juice and spray it into Kyle Fletcher's womb.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a fun touch in that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes you squirm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just think about my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, we mentioned the booth underbomb, Kevin night going off of the top of the cage, through the table, what she just called out, you got the coffin drop from Darby to everybody, the J-driller to MGF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then obviously like I said, the turn on draw day,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then brisco hit in the J-driller and getting the pinfall and the victory for team brisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of happening here, obviously, as we called out some of the big spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, definitely a showcase, uh, made sense in the in the the semi main spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I got to go back and watch it because I'm sure I was in an out of the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw most of the big spots or at least saw him on replay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to watch it all cohesively again though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is like when I was like a crap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I go to bed now or watch it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think some of it would be a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that almost 300 over 360 degree rotation with Darby doing the flip into the tax where one might have flown in his eye.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was brutal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that also one shout out to Dante on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there were some fun spots in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a typical kind of steel cage tropes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a little bit too much one-on-one fighting in the ring with all 10 of the other guys dispersed to the outside waiting for their turn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are getting MJF and brisco Wednesday night for the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've already announced that, talked about it right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a spectacle, a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think overrated on Cage match, I don't think I'd go that high on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think it's, yeah, it's not like over a nine out of 10, which would be like a four and a half star match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that, it's probably around the four range, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not four and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fun match though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um elsewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Tecla winning was no surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tecla remains awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was a really good one too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Omega Zach Saber was, if you've watched Zach Saber wrestle, it was definitely what you would come to expect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, kind of that slow opening, you're building up to the finished 26 minutes, second match of the show, phenomenal match too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really like that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to me, a little underwhelming for these two, and not because of the pace, and not because of Zack Sabers, like, yeah, just his ability and how some people don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt it looked like they both were a step too slow to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There just wasn't quite that crescendo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, I thought it was too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my nitpick too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have gone 26 minutes in the second match of the show personally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not, that's another one that if you average out the cage match rating, it'd be like a four and a half plus star match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that high on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but me, it's Mercedes and Maya at number two on the night, we'd say gosh, I could almost go four and a half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say four and a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for the women's match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably going to come in at about four and a half on that one, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't blame you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is, would you say third or fourth, fifth best match on the show for you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The, the cage?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The, no, the Zack Saber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh Zack Saber Omega?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's hard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, four, fourth or fifth, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like tech list are like hit a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really liked Moxley and Bandito too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we said this on the show so many times, but like when it comes to the last 12 months and progress, Bandito's right up through anybody in the world, I mean, that match with Moxley was phenomenal too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was actually not fire eight and a half on cage match right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd easily go for for for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could maybe talk into four and a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that you just said in just and said it a million times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bandito and ring theirs like one or two people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, that can touch him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not surprise that Copenhage retain the titles over Connors and Finley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was not surprising what the match was so so to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the one I was referring to I think somebody thought it was umo and pack and I would say it was this one Then the lights go out and J White kind of mixes things up too, which was fun to hear the crowd go crazy Oh, man, he got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, gigantic pop when he came out so J White is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They said in the post-show He had literally just gotten cleared by medical this week

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so when he said he was ready on social this time he it was actually ready this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was ready to come back, but yeah, this is probably I would agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Coping cage in the dogs was Probably the lowest rated match for me on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just too slow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's actually the second let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is the lowest rated on cage match, but just barely above it is the is the opener the triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but we pretty much know what you're getting from a bucks match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to go out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The matches are similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, to see Mr. Co come out there in California, get the pop that he did was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I liked it for what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a pretty good opener.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to go up to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably like three and three quarters ish on that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I got to see my favorite wrestler out of the 6th perform, Shinko Takagi.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shinko, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was different from the other 5 and what they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun to see him do his thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if this raster was not so deep, I would almost call right now for a Nick Jackson singles run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when they've had him work singles matches in the past, he's shown that he could definitely be a viable singles competitor for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't need him right now in a singles capacity whatsoever, but I could almost dream about it at this point because both books look to be in the best physical shapes of their lives and let Nick, if you want to, go for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll have to see, you know, what is it redemption?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The next paper view up in Montreal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to see if we get MJF and Omega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can talk about, you know, if we think it's going to be Omega or him or maybe both in the main event at Wembley with Osprey, that's going to be the big talking point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also how they get to this Tecla Mercedes match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what the dynamic there is going to be because technically while she remains a heel, she's such a cool character that people are cheering her anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if she'll be working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's probably going to be the face in that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Austrian?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's probably the angle that they'll roll with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably won't like explicitly make her a baby face, but like understanding them Mercedes, and she's very heel in the post-show scrum last night, calling people idiots and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they probably know tech was going to get cheer to that match being in Europe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that'll be the angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll work fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she gosh, that's starting president is such a worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she kept talking on in the post show about that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How, you know, she'd gone after him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently he's going to be at Dynamite this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, oh, good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's like the kid in class that she used to pick on if you went that route.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to keep for it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stuff of people and lockers, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't think I have any other talking points in this right now, since we're not going to go blow for blow through this whole whole show there's there's a lot, but I do think you and Justin talked about match of the year so far in 2006 on our last flagship two weeks ago and I think that that narrative has already been changed because I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, Osprey, Swarve is my match of the year as of June 29th.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely at the table in the discussion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would put it in amongst the three for for sure with Tana Hashi, Okada.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, actually two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Check on our chat here, which has been pretty active today, which is good to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Eric mentioned Tecla was dismissive of Mercedes in the post show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nobody scares Tecla, which is one of the reasons people like or so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all we got guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's we've gone about an hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost exactly here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good timing to cover two paper views.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty good job, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not bad for hours worth of work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We spread through little, but yeah, I was I M.J. F. Rood was going to retain Wednesday night zero doubts with Mark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and hi, it's going to keep the podcast fresh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do stuff to talk about next time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll try to get back on this weekly schedule again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: June, kids activities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was out of town for a week, made it a little more challenging, but you know, we're going to be starting to hit the prime weeks of the summer here with a lot to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got summerslam coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got all in coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be no shortage of topics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have these bonus shows drop in for our patrons, of course, as well and be time to start researching for King of the Ring 98.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will congratulate Kendall Gray on being the NXT Women's Champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to watch a match of hers coming up soon because I

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[SPEAKER_00]: They announced that heat wave with NXT and AAA is going to be at the very standard time for Texas Wrestling of 11 AM Central Time the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right of AEW all in G. I wonder why they did that Jesse certainly they're not trying to counterbook or counterproduce AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would never do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's absolutely not why they schedule their their shows at the same time is that on a Sunday no less.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 11 PM.

01:00:05.872 --> 01:00:11.116
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be curious with the viewership for that show, it's gonna look like we'll see, we shall see.

01:00:11.276 --> 01:00:15.299
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe they should have postponed the El Grande Americana face-off for that card.

01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:15.860
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoops.

01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:18.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've got a few more viewers for sure.

01:00:19.583 --> 01:00:25.187
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, same day is all in, I guess I wasn't surprised, but it's kind of sad, I mean, come on.

01:00:25.727 --> 01:00:27.188
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's gonna watch that show.

01:00:28.560 --> 01:00:30.281
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're going to start at the same time.

01:00:30.481 --> 01:00:33.703
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember, has, have all ends when they've been over.

01:00:33.723 --> 01:00:34.664
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been about noon.

01:00:34.944 --> 01:00:36.145
[SPEAKER_00]: Start time central, I think.

01:00:36.245 --> 01:00:36.845
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe once.

01:00:37.766 --> 01:00:39.347
[SPEAKER_00]: So there might be a little bit of overlap.

01:00:39.387 --> 01:00:41.648
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to start a little bit earlier than all in.

01:00:42.949 --> 01:00:46.671
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jay, 90% of Texas will be in church at that time.

01:00:46.892 --> 01:00:47.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:00:48.892 --> 01:00:49.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy.

01:00:49.372 --> 01:00:51.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've heard positive things in Kendall Gray, too.

01:00:52.453 --> 01:00:55.494
[SPEAKER_00]: And no Jay, we will not be talking about slimmer version of Apologize.

01:00:55.814 --> 01:01:02.216
[SPEAKER_00]: There's only so many hours in the day, and T&A ranks pretty low on my rankings for pro wrestling.

01:01:02.236 --> 01:01:03.876
[SPEAKER_02]: Did Mike Santana beat Nick Nemeth?

01:01:03.896 --> 01:01:05.697
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll be my question to you, Jason Smith.

01:01:05.817 --> 01:01:06.577
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Ash Elk.

01:01:06.797 --> 01:01:08.197
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll look at that up here in a moment.

01:01:08.938 --> 01:01:14.239
[SPEAKER_02]: And oh, the one year, I think Anniversary's you're pretty close to a very fish-off saying that T&A could be

01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.582
[SPEAKER_00]: That was such a laughable take when he said it.

01:01:20.742 --> 01:01:23.384
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like how are people taking this guy seriously?

01:01:24.144 --> 01:01:28.287
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two promotion TNA because they had one big show.

01:01:28.367 --> 01:01:29.268
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, come on, man.

01:01:29.308 --> 01:01:29.788
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're not.

01:01:30.069 --> 01:01:33.391
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't ever drawing that kind of attendance for weekly shows.

01:01:34.552 --> 01:01:35.132
[SPEAKER_00]: Ridiculous.

01:01:35.552 --> 01:01:35.933
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:01:35.953 --> 01:01:36.453
[SPEAKER_00]: Ridiculous.

01:01:38.452 --> 01:01:39.052
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this has been episode 420 of Top Rope Nation.

01:01:42.474 --> 01:01:46.196
[SPEAKER_00]: We were hoping to do something kind of special for episode 420.

01:01:46.776 --> 01:01:50.398
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not able to do that in time to coincide with this landmark episode.

01:01:50.418 --> 01:01:52.138
[SPEAKER_00]: But we got some stuff coming in the future.

01:01:53.139 --> 01:01:55.100
[SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned for that.

01:01:55.600 --> 01:01:57.421
[SPEAKER_00]: You won't want to miss it in the coming weeks.

01:01:58.778 --> 01:01:59.519
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I got.

01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:06.129
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Jesse Velasquez and the absent Justin joined, he'll be with us next time.

01:02:06.950 --> 01:02:07.771
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you fair well?

01:02:08.292 --> 01:02:09.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care everybody.

01:02:09.333 --> 01:02:12.157
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk to you again in the future.

01:02:12.177 --> 01:02:12.298
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.