Seth Rollins Cashes In, WWE SummerSlam Night 1 Review

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's up, you guys?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is Sunday morning here in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sunday afternoon for our guest, we have on the line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking WWE Summerslam night one, Ryan Drasty, Jesse Velasquez, and we brought him back for the second show in a row, our good friend Carl Longhan from across the pond in the UK.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, how you doing this morning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: happy after a decent morning of watching pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I hopefully have started a good relapse show in August.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Possibly one attending the person potentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd get to make my mind up on for being in door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It gives life perspective.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're happy to have you back this morning, subbing for Justin joint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first of two shows top rope nation is doing for you today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're recapping night one the morning after like we usually do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then tonight, we're going to actually stay up late and do night two after the show ends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, we really want to stay up very late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the show ended it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, it was before nine o'clock central last night, Jesse, how are you doing this morning?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little before eight thirty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually started a little bit late myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a little bit of day drinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hence why I have the beer drinking pro wrestling guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: T-Shirt on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find that at the top-rope nation shop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, my my viewing was a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it normally is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did have a lot of fun and by the way, we are much better as a three-man conglomerate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Carl, thank you so much for joining us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We always appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate Carl, appreciate all the patrons whose names are going across the bottom of the screen right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We went back in time to great American Bash, nineteen eighty six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: patron, but we're not talking in nineteen eighty six this morning you guys we're talking two thousand twenty five w w night one I'm going to ask you all for the grade if you all are joining us live right now in the chat you can go ahead and give us your grade a three f on night one of the show and we'll get you involved in the broadcast as well super chats are open if you want to make sure to get your comment featured in the show as well just another way to support us Jesse

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[SPEAKER_02]: A through F, what are you giving?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Night one of SummerSlam's twenty twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At a hard time grading this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad I went back and rewatch the main event this morning, which definitely held up the second time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going with a B. There wasn't anything that I disliked and everything was I felt pretty fluid all the way through in the main event in my mind was spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just good old school feel to it, which I absolutely love the non-second viewing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was even better to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, you had the main event angle that tailored along with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything felt like it was it flew for me so that that's again you mentioned the I think it ended at eight twenty last night here central time so yeah be

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love these early shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish AEW would get back to, you know, starting at least six central, but yeah, start at five central was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still had the night left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched the season finale of the bear, which I had left to watch, was outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I had my night ahead of me still and watched a great wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, what were you at on this one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's at the same as Jesse B, really solid show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pastime expectations for night one, it did look the week with the two cards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously tonight, it's very stiff editing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which might mean it runs a little longer than last night, hopefully not too much longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was pleasantly surprised, the lead was a thing that shocked me and bought the first L&I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got this more than thinking about that for a half hours to watch because I was thinking if you're far and half hours show it's in hindsight, look at it, the match is probably not so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it was two, twenty left and my fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, yeah, the match is probably none of them needs to go any longer than they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might have not been able to five minutes of the tech, the sled tab match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: possibly, I think, the heat on over to maybe a couple of minutes too long, potentially, but really, really impressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know, not only, but certainly not a, a set with I'm twenty-twenty friend, example, which was a terrible shout of memory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm right there with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go like just a smidge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give it a B plus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's in that B range.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't quite go to A because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well last night, BR, I said that there wasn't a match of the year contender for me, even though I really liked the main event, but on the second watch of the main event, it might be a match of the year contender.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is like almost puts it in the A range for me, but I'm just like right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll say B plus, I think the rest of the card was fairly strong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't like another match that was crazy good, but I didn't think there was anything that was really bad on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, was there something I go back and watch?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That main event did it this morning, just like Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'll go B plus it was a solid solid show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely the best WWE PLE since night one of many of this year, which ironically also ended with Seth Rollins being the focus of one off the air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's been kind of the standout star this year, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we're going to talk about all that later in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, hopefully tonight they don't end like night two of WrestleMania did where it was just a huge downgrade from night one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope night two can live up tonight one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'll be at a B plus here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what our followers on X Twitter gave this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much in line with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had about fifty two votes there, fifty two percent B, about fifteen percent A, twenty five percent C, seven percent D or F. I mean, yeah, pretty much in line with what we were saying here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with the

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[SPEAKER_02]: followers over on twitter.com.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish blue sky would add polls by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still got to go back to Twitter to do the polls.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there it is there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we could do this one of two ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We could start with the main event and work backwards.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this morning though, we're going to work up to the main event and end talking about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way we will do this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll start right at the beginning of the show where, you know, they opened with America.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had Cardi B come out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've been teasing Cardi B, doing stuff with them for a long, long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it was like several months ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she was going to be on the show and then he didn't hear anything about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She comes out to the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she really added anything to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know they like getting the stars involved in all of that, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Any thoughts on Cardi B coming out to the ring, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was over the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was extremely excited to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I wrote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quite in all caps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, didn't really add too much flavor to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she has been a, she's a definite self-professed, pro wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's nice that you can at least bring somebody in there that appreciates what is in front of her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and it's weird we didn't see her again the rest of the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought they might like put her out, talking to people backstage, maybe even like people in the front row of the crowd or something, nothing at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did get the minute made sponsor though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He carton the carton of orange juice or whatever that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had that, but no more Cardi B. I'm going to spoil this a little bit as well for the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that it was sponsored by the general.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The ring general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so like these WWE shows often go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a long pause from the open of the show to the open first match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they did Cardi B. They played the intro video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then, you know, they have Jay Uso, make his entrance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was after Jay Uso's entrance, who was Mr. Main of NJ Uso was the first guy out the curtain last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When his entrance finally ended, we were fifteen minutes since the paper few started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Roman and the opponents, Braun Breaker, Bronson Reed, they all come out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's twenty-one minutes after the show has won on the air that the bell finally rang for our opening match of Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was Roman Reigns' first Summerslam match in two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You remember he returned last year, but he didn't have a match on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was only his twelve match in WWE since Summerslam, two thousand and twenty-three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Think about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: smartman to make all those dollars enough to work very much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Twelve matches in the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I thought this match overall was slow to start heated up at the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely would have cut some time off of it as Carl alluded to a minute ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're, they brawled at the very beginning, cleared out the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The baby faces did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Jayce theme comes back on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the eat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then ultimately, Roman is dragged out of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Jay-Uso takes everybody out, hitting a dive to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got tons of notes on this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But overall, Jesse, give me your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did not like the music intermission for Jay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like looking at Roman like

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[SPEAKER_01]: finger twirl finger twirl finally started up again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's not it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely not my thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit slow as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said to go, there was a lot of solid spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Roman overshooting is target on the dive over the top was awesome in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I worried about his left shoulder at the same time because look like it just a lot of the brunt of the impact hit his left shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still a brown breaker fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to hopefully this story progressing with him eventually breaking away from the faction like later on down the line and becoming a solo entity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the putting the straps back on and then taking them right back off after he got pissed off and he was going for another spear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I said all and all this match was fine and I left it right in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like three to three and a quarter for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure, me too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Brian, by the way, I haven't seen anything this morning, but it looked like he got hurt in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Later in the show, as Nee was all taped up, he was limping around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, Carl, your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the clip I've been being helped behind the stage after the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully it's just an impact injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's often too serious, because he's definitely been a beneficial look to work that they did with Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Being to the more my time, it's at the start of the fake injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, like Jesse, look forward to him breaking away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do still think even under the story, we were punk in Seth to play out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that my play would be the piece to around a rumble next year and have him been a one to different set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as a match, it was solid, a little slow at points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can suggest you, so I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's super over and it's charismatic and you absolutely do go with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm long for the days of him and Jimmy get back together because they're far better as attacking together than even now individually in ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, yeah, that's how division needs something on the roll side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it certainly okay with a judgment day?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I gave this mess three and a half in my review on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah, the second half was solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely the beginning dragged as we said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's kind of how it played out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we talked about how early on they cleared the house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the eat stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The theme music comes back on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Roman gets dragged out of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: J takes everyone out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you got Bronn given Roman, this running shoulder block on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when he did it, he kind of like came down on top of Roman, which was another point I was kind of worried about his shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just he'd hear point on the dive that's coming up here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he gave his shoulder block like airborne comes down right on top of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Jay's getting worked over in the ring by Bronn's and him break her back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were a few we want Roman chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But mostly early, I thought the crowd came across pretty dead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of because they're in a stadium.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this with all of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really hard to gauge crowd reaction at stadium, especially when there's no roof like Met Life, you know, the sound just goes straight up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure the crowd was hot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a friend that was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was texting him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said the crowd was really into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But wasn't really coming across on TV at this point in time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... breaker put in jay in a chin lock and he started to taunt roman he was doing like the roman roman rains crowd singing thing at him crowd kind of got into that a little bit you had a brown coming off the ring apron to jump at jay on the outside but instead he lands on the table didn't break brine comes down like me first on the tables

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then J ultimately goes for the hot tag, but Bronson pulled Roman off the ring apron, right when he was going for the tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Breaker was like tackling J too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So J was jumping for the hot tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was time perfectly because as J is mid air, Breaker tackles him and Bronson's pulling Roman off the ring apron at the exact same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately, Jay does make the hot tag after a DDT onto Bronson Reed and then Breaker tags in at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we get Breaker and Roman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Roman absolutely destroys him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes for the spear, but got an elbow from Bron Breaker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: ultimately sends breaker to the outside and that's when he hits that running dive over the top rope where it kind of flipped as he hit the guys, taken out breaker and read, but really barely make in contact with those guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Overshoots him as Jesse said lands really hard on his back on the outside was a pretty scary looking spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did have Bronson Reed hit a dive to the outside, then on Jay and Roman, almost overshot them too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bron had a running close line on Roman right after that, taking him kind of across the announced table, and then Breaker hits the bulldog off the top on Jay Uso with Bronson Reed holding them up the old Steiner spot, covers, but Jay kicks out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Breaker goes for the Superman punch, but he ends up getting a Superman punch from Roman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Roman spears Breaker through the barricade on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bronson goes for the splash off the top, but Roman Superman punches him while he's up up there on the top rope, and then you get Roman helping Jay up, and then they both give Bronson read the, they're calling the one D, the Dudley's three D move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get a two count with breaker jumping in there to break it all up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: breaker goes through the spear on Jay, but Roman shoved him out of the way and takes the spear for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they really sold on commentary that, oh, this is a new Roman Reigns, you know, in the past he's he always thinks of himself first, but now he's thinking of other guys and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wade Barrett, who is tremendous on commentary during the show so much better than Pat McAfee, is really selling like, oh, is he getting soft?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is this going to be the same Roman Reigns?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He took the spear for Jay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then right after that, Jay takes out Braun Breaker to the outside and then he hits the splash off the top rope on Braunson Reed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: covers for the pen fall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This match went about twenty one minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, like the end and sequencing was pretty good kind of slow to get going, but that's how it all played up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nile, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said on an unplugged that the bronze I felt should have gone over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I

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[SPEAKER_01]: because maybe that could have set up something later with Brown and Roman down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in that case, it's a fifty-fifty pickup, what you want to do there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, oh, I wouldn't think I did notice, and this might have been something that Carl had mentioned earlier with the Brown-breaker injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Hayman was going up the ramp by himself, where the bronze were at ring that still, and I wondered why for whatever reason is like, is there gonna be something down the line with some dissension with the bronze, or, like, maybe it's the injury?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Taken notes on this match was difficult, because they kept one to write bronze, and then I'm like, I'm gonna think it was Bronson Reed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like go to the last names and breakers, not the easiest name to type out, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a hard time getting them up for that one deal, so I like, Jay just didn't use his legs enough, and the impact you could tell wasn't as great as he should have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if that's Carl before we move on here,

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not interested to see where to go with Roman next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a long shot suggesting from a main, you might be punk, because that he's something with what he left on, sitting on his ass and doing doing his hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that there's a few questions about how I'd go, but Roman, I doubt, will do work until some I was here with now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, Jim, that's probably his next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that, it's not maybe far out, it's a rumble.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, could be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, twelve matches in two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we shall see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't imagine he's going to start working more as he gets older.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So probably going to be pretty rare.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right after this batch, they showed celebrities in the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have that minute made juice box section, my God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mentioned earlier, I was thankful at the only time we saw the minute made juice box section.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we get to the women's tag team championship match with Raquel Rodriguez and Roxanne Perez defending against the new team of Alexa Bliss.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Charlotte Flair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta say you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This has been, and I'm surprised I'm saying this with Charlotte television, but this has honestly been some of the best stuff going on TV, the back and forth between Alexa and Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they've been all over social media like traveling around together and posting stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually think the team is pretty interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this was a high spot, you know, early in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that this was an entertaining match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the right decision to have Alexa and Charlotte win the titles here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the match started about an hour after they went on the air just talking about the timing here again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, you know, let me ask you first Carl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of this Alexa Bliss Charlotte Flair tag team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's an example of maybe some moment W lead in from a W set something a W date with Harley Cameron and Anna Jay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all all sort of tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you can you can you can play on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's been good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by first thought when I saw Charlotte rock out in the in Nashville and the Cowgirl, I'm like, what is going on here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this doesn't feel like Charlotte fled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, it's a good thing because it's shown a different side to a not just this God S that we see and I think, you know, we'll talk about about about character development and how that's a long road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we shall see a different sign finally in a third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it lets us serve it's good world that she naturally creates a good feeling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's been a good fund.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been one of the better things on SmackDown, which possibly is not the highest bar at times, but you know, credits in return are out from someone who no one cared about too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, actually, while I see Charlotte in there, she's got a big property on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that later on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I thought Alexa is by far the most over-person in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And crowd goes nuts for everything that she does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a testament to her and how popular she is that she can get the crowd to cheer Charlotte Flair of all people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Charlotte getting cheered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who would have thought, pair up with Alexa Bliss that makes it happen, Jessie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: opposites attract in this aspect the the front of me's and how they're playing off and the characters being completely different with Alexa being likable and a little bit odd at times and like said charla's almost like this mythical goddess who just thinks she's better than everybody else and she's letter guard down

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in that's what's really made this tag team a lot of fun to watch with their back and fourths on television and at times it can be awkward, but it's a good awkward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm truly enjoying this as well, which also means I think if you continue this momentum that the splits gonna have a pretty sweet payoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's walk through the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Bliss was in early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's taken punishment, but she ends up in this head scissors, and she tags in Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Charlotte's hitting offense, but then Raquel was on her offense, and she fights back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Charlotte hits this hurricane run out of the corner on Raquel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of sloppy, like almost didn't slow motion, and then Roxanne gets tagged in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bliss is tagged in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I wrote, bliss is the most over person in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, crowd was going nuts on this tag for her and Roxanne.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's dominating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes for the sister Abigail, but then Roxanne rakes her eyes to get out of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes for the twisted bliss, but Roxanne got her knees up to break that up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Raquel takes bliss out with a clothes line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get Roxanne and Raquel working over bliss for a while, getting the heat here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny spot where you could hear Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's calling for the tag and she goes, Lexi, I'm open.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys caught that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a volleyball player, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not basketball player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so then Charlotte tags in and she takes out both of the opponents with a cross body off the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's hitting chops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She hits a moon salt off the top on the both of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Raquel kicks out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Roxanne, it's a springboard moon salt to take out Charlotte as she's working over Raquel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then Bolas goes to hit Raquel, but she accidentally nail Charlotte with his forearm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Looks horrified.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Raquel hits the Thana bomb and then Roxanne hits the pop rocks, but Bolas breaks up the pin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bolas ends up pulling Charlotte to their corner so that Charlotte can then make the tag to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bolas goes for sister Abigail on Roxanne, and she hits it as Charlotte takes out Raquel with a big boot, Alexa pins Roxanne.

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[SPEAKER_02]: it's about a thirteen minute match overall like this one didn't over stay it's welcome I thought it was a pretty solid match honestly like when I was thinking about star rings I had a pretty much neck and neck with that opener I ended up I think giving it like a quarter star less but yeah this was this was a fun match solid match I mean you're not looking for like a four and a half star match out of these people but yeah for what it was meant to do I thought it a hundred percent delivered car all eight thoughts

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[SPEAKER_00]: a really solid match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt Roxanne again and another great performance on the PLA from her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I keep up to my myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's twenty three years old, like she has got so much her own head of her as a talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Alexa and I agree what Niles said about she's one of the best in a generation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You look at her, you know, how much she's outkick to coverage at times at various points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's been fantastic and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the match is always going to be what it was, solid because he's got shallow, he must still don't think he's a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's don't think that means it's where she probably wants it to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Raquel has improved, but doesn't feel like the finished product may never be that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, Alexa and Roxanne had two foils for the bigger, the bigger opponents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I've thoroughly sponsored saying by it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To Niles Point, I mentioned this in the group, but long time listeners of this program, which by the way, I didn't know it this last week, but we just had our nine year anniversary of this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was July, twenty six, two thousand and sixteen, but remember when when she got drafted, Alexa, I want to say in like the fall of twenty sixteen, this was when it was just Kyle and I hosted the show, and I was constantly saying, you know, Alexa Bliss, she might not be the best worker, like as far as our wrestler goes, but her character work,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and she's the best actress in the division.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was always saying that on the pod.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember people giving me shit on social media at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got into twenty seventeen and she kind of started that rise and I kept saying, like, she's one of the best in the women's division.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then by twenty eighteen I think when she was caching and money in the bank, that was a super cool moment, I think people were finally on board like, okay, she's legit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but yeah, I was on that Alexa Bliss bandwagon on this program in twenty sixteen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she is the one to watch right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she's proven that to be the case, agree with what Nile said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as far as character work goes, she is one of the best of the last decade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Mean Girl stuff, she played with Nia Jax, a WrestleMania to actually go on her sympathy on the other side with some pretty impressive stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we definitely agree there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought this, this matched definitely served its purpose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how long is Roxanne Perez going to be the prodigy for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's been five years now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's too broken to the business at eighteen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's time to kind of transition that aspect on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know she's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully the like once live Morgan comes back then we can see more character stuff out of her because she can definitely work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's zero question there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very curious to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think multiple times can we actually make these women's tag team titles interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep consistent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this will help because again, like we were saying, these two have been pretty good on television together in the backstage segments and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we will see where this goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heaven to see you in the chat before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, Brittany is one of our regulars on the BR streams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So super cool to be here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's with Jeremy and I almost every stream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so if I, oh, this was Sami Zayn and Karyan Cross, I mean, this is to me the weakest match on the show, you know, not the Sami Zayn is solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Karyan Cross is, okay, but he's got a, he's got a great following going, you know, ever since he cut that kind of shoot style promo online.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was really odd because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Karian I felt was the most over of these two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it seemed like the crowd was more behind Karian Cross than Sammy Zane and who would have ever expected that a few months ago?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so we asked some of the people in our group, a thing Michael Jenkinson, had said, yeah, he was there alive and more of the crowd was cheering Karian Cross and they were cheering Sammy Zane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A match was very brief, pretty back and forth early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets scarlet out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She gives cross the lead pipe, but Sammy dodges it and hits the blue thunder bomb for a two count.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then Sammy was kind of losing his temper, and he's beating the hell out of cross, and ultimately scarlet offers the pipe to zane, you know, trying to draw him over to the dark side, like they've been hinting out on TV, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up just throwing it back to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He hits an explotor on cross into the turnbuckles, hits the Hulu Vickick, gets the pinfall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Zane goes over about eight minutes and ten seconds on this one, just a year thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, when Triple H was with the crew at the end of last night, there were a good chunk of chance in the crowd of we want cross.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his character is getting over and Nile literally just hit what I was about to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a free agent at the end of two thousand and twenty five unless they make the decision to start trying to construct a contract forum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be in solid interest to give it a go and renew him for a couple of years because this is the most interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has been to that audience ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Adam Cole killed a lot of his mystique and NXT when he was world champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he really hasn't recovered, but he's been doing the best that he can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is they haven't really been putting a spotlight on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been really odd that Sammy got the win here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that if you were going to continue with this push of carrying across, so when was much needed, I think Sammy won two out of three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that push is carrying off to the side and maybe to the background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, though, match was just there, which you don't really say much when you see Sammy's ain't in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was stunned that Cross didn't win this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I guess maybe they're thinking they're gonna let him leave, but it's a little risky proposition when the guys got more momentum than he's ever had in your promotion and then just to let him walk, but you know, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And behind the scenes, he is a super likable human being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've met him and we actually talked for about five minutes and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's definitely got some solid inside his very intelligent as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'd like to see him succeed wherever he goes and hopefully you can just keep this interest level high wherever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also for a promotion that cares so much about like entrances and theatrics, his entrances phenomenal and the crowd always goes nuts for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, back to the NXT today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he seems and he's got the look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He seems to have pretty much everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They won in the superstar, you know, like we've talked about, J.U.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not saying carrying crosses over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: J.U.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's over right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, certainly he could be in that like, you know, upper midcard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could ultimately get into that like icy title picture level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if they went hard with him, should I had a win last night if that was the plan?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like for Jay, Jay is a guy who as a single is kind of constrained in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His matches aren't always great, but he's got the character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got the entrance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cross has got that, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I just, I was stunned that they didn't have him win here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And contrary to some of the video clips out there, Carrie and Cross, one hundred percent backbumped last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he did just fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, and you inside, you can chair here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they might be, you know, we've definitely here at the playing hardball with Cross because they know he's really got one likely destination.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's DNA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to any W as long as don't call us or say, that's not what happened regardless of what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is behind that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In Scarlet of Medi-Cleena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will it be in the same company as John Gallus?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that will live at seven effectively to get him to freedom because I've got the DNA partnership.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's someone who would be a really good second for someone if they had an app that they felt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: could benefit from his target character in around him and start to be a ready-to-package to put around a guy who's maybe sort of looking to build from the I.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: level to the world title, well, every championship level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've got anyone in that position right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dom Mysterio, maybe, but then he's sitting, he's watching Dom out of judgment dates, but I mean, another thing and how that fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably the only thing I could grab, grab and take words, but in-ring, he's not terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, he's very limited and he has got a million dollar, probably a one dollar, really, I keep it's arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But most people who say it's like backstage, he's probably got a good mind for the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would cut the contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to be asking for the Mega Money at the end of the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's completely doesn't have Mega Money anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, that's not their manager, but...

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's interesting for a really sitting thing to dig by our ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it could be work to get you never know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, mega or a mega money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get to politics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And any poverty that one possible has to share, which we all know what that's about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, agreed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, cross.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he should never be at a match that goes over ten minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That should help us be in short matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They kept this one short.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought wrong winner for what's been happening, but, you know, we'll see, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After this, they played the Hogan tribute video and they showed nasty Nick Hogan in the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lesson a Nick probably the better, but nice to see him pay tribute to Halkster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They played real American and met life crowd popped for that and they followed that up with Tiffany Stratton, defending the women's championship against Jade Cargill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is, I don't know man, it might be the running for Jade's best match in WWE, but he has things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to lose a lot of competition, but I mean, I think this was a pretty good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's short and fluid, which is much like Carl Mesh, with Carrie and Cross, with a ten-minute match or less Jade Cargill, you're in that same boat, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with your presentation as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're almost similar in those tastes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carl, anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would probably go as far as saying, probably have that maximum stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of anything now, you know, you're good at springing the mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a mind that was

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[SPEAKER_00]: on that same level, maybe to start London match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was definitely a problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a rampage match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was in the end of twenty three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought, you know, they're playing to the Tiffany for getting a free that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they were heavy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was surprised or some heavy on what this woman's achieved in four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's definitely dropping about here then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the outcome to be what it was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was surprising, but the right outcome in my opinion, I don't think you can have Jade whip the doubt leading that division right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Tiffany has worked to do, more on the side, that needs more than Tiffany time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but she's pretty sick to have been a bit of a four years that will come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at what Becky Lynch falls in, twenty sixteen twenty seventeen compared to what she's now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes time for these girls and it helps me to get that character that clicks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas Jade, I don't think she's ever going to improve in a ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beyond what she's now so do you have to pick a your pick or opponent very carefully to make sure you maximize and the most at it and

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got fantastic book as Jesse says, she comes across the star that awkwardness she had when she first made an AWS completely gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She really looks the power, but you can see the cog's turning in every single match at every single spot you can see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's almost like, you can always say it's like she's got like, she's

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[SPEAKER_00]: teleported her thoughts out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually see a visualizing thought she's about to do and it's, it is off putty if you're paying too with the attention to the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do tend to switch up a little bit, I'm actually still enjoying a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything looks pretty choreographed with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got to keep it short and tight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did have a good match with Naomi at evolution, too, but I think this was better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we said, it's like a seven-minute match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, as Jessie said, pretty fluid throughout.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was one spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A little iffy, definitely painful looking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get to that here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as it starts off, Jade's on offense early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She suplexes Tiffany to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tiffany had to dive to the outside onto Jade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Tiffany does a swan ton off the top onto Jade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jade reverses Tiffany's back elbow coming into the corner into a back breaker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That handspring back elbow that she does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: JJ's caught her, backbreaker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay then hits the eye of the storm for two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay breaks up a moon salt attempt and stays on offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where, yeah, Tiffany is coming off the top on this moon salt and Jay gets her two feet up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm telling you, man, she connected a hundred percent on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a screenshot of it that I posted in the group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could try to find it here, but man, it looked pretty brutal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I have that at the ready here or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if this is it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is possibly it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Take a look at this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Tiffany is all airborne there still.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As you can see, and Jade's got both feet just right into her gut there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That looked pretty painful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was like the one spot in the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, squirming in your chair just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but other than that, like I said, it's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So after that, in Jays on offense, they're exchanging right hands, Tiffany ends up hitting a hurricane rana.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then she hits a hand spring back elbow into the corner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stratton hits an Alabama slam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes for the moon salts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, no, sorry, this is where the, the feet happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the moon salt where the feet go up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where Tiffany takes all of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, then cargo ends up hitting jaded, but Tiffany gets her feet on the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jade hits a choke slam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then they do this spot up in the corner where Jade is going for jaded off the top rope, but Tiffany reverses that and she hits a moon salt off the top for the pinfall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seven minutes and five seconds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have thought

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Jade would win here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought almost certainly she was going to capture the women's title here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was I was pretty stunned by the result, but happily surprised I would say on the quality of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when you're pouring that much money into Jade Cargo and back to Niles' point with the experience factor, that's the difference between somebody actually working their ass off behind the scenes, and I guess somebody else just kind of, I wouldn't say not working their ass off, however I would say relying more on their natural talent in the ring and not progressing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is clearly why Jade Cargill should have went directly to NXT as opposed to somebody else right now who's down there with a very similar look to Tiffany Stratton, but she should be up on the main roster and she could play a different character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we talked about this on the show so many times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was always stunned that they just hat-shotted Cargill right to the main roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When she obviously needed ringwork,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen it since she's been up there at times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we said, this probably are best performance, but still there were issues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As Carl mentioned, you can see things kind of choreographed ahead of time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is probably a topic for another show, but Mariah may my god so far they're just blown at with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That stuff they got her doing in NXT is horrendous to go from the best women's storyline of the last decade to that is such a downgrade, such a horrendous downgrade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you could have reversed it, you'd want to send Mariah Mae straight to the main roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that probably they felt they didn't have a spot for her, but look, when you assign a talent to that level, you got to make a spot in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sox, but that's where we're at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They still got time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They could turn it around, but right now, not high and what they're doing on Mariah down there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's move on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we get to the semi-main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Randy Orton and Jelly Roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jelly World taken on Drew McIntyre and Logan Paul in the celebrity match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Jesse, your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Cole with the funniest line of the entire night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jelly Roll has lost two hundred and thirty pounds to get ready for this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what was funny about that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were hammering on how jelly rolls lost.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All this weight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there is that spot in the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: where Logan Paul goes to body slam him and he can't pick him up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're selling like, oh, he's so, but you just told me the guy lost over two hundred pounds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't he slam him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't even look that big anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That I thought that was kind of odd sending mixed signals there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He might have lost ten or twenty pounds to get ready for this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, congratulations on the overall weight loss in your two hundred and ninety nine pounds, but you did not lose two hundred and thirty pounds in X amount of months to get yourself in this spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's legit lost that weight, but not for this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Context, Michael Cole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, give us your instant thoughts on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they put up the first angle, I bet it's a nice saying, this is definitely the product of red.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got Randy Orn who has spelled, I guess you're calling Randall Key Vault in the message, who has spent the past half, that past decade, really, half hours in being more and just going back to the person, barking up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he comes out and puts a fire promo about Jelly Row, indifference of Jelly Row, and I'm like, what's going on here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But God bless him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are in, you know, you heard how, you know, during the heat, how into it, into it they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it worked shockingly well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had very low expectations and they did the magic a really different way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I expected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it worked and got, yeah, wrestling's beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It works like that because it shocks you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's special.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This person doesn't schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when something shocks you, it's, it's, it's special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can shop, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was much better than it had any right to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think going in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like we've said a lot of times Randy Orton is a solid worker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just he just never does anything that really stands out to us as fans, but like he could work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's a good worker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Drew obviously out there holding it together as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, Logan could do the high spots and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jelly Roll basically did everything they needed him to do throughout the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when we talk about it here, they get Jelly Roll in there right away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's on offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's hitting an elbow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's hitting a shoulder block.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where Paul tried to slam him, but couldn't write after they were talking about he lost two hundred forty pounds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jelly Roll ends up dropping an elbow in Logan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul then tags in Drew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jelly Roll stays in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes to tag Orton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he was, he was basically like, I want to stay in here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got this and Drew ends up slapping him in the back of the head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then, Jayre, Jelly Rolls, like, yeah, I'm going to stay in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He hit some punches before Drew ends up taking him out with the head, but, and then Drew's chopping him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He locks him in an arm bar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's stomping the arm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, Logan Paul tags in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They give a double suplex to Jelly Roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Logan hits a leg drop like this in the splits for two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Drew then is landing some forearms to Jelly Roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He takes out Randy on the ring apron and then Jelly Roll tosses Drew to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Jelly Roll tags in Orton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: who takes out Drew, then Paul on the apron.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gives that hangup DDT to Drew back into the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes for the RKO, but Paul pulls Drew to safety.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then Randy's attacking them both outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He drops Drew across the announced table, then Logan Paul across the announced table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Drew then hits the clay more on, on, on, orton right by the table to take him out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: so then they put jelly roll on the table and Logan goes up top and he takes the prime bottles and he like cheers them and the prime you know sprays all over the place and Logan Paul hits this insane frog splash off the top rope through jelly roll on the table look no matter what you want to say about Logan Paul and he is a doucheat times

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[SPEAKER_02]: The dude has applicability and this was crazy looking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He got so much height.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that announced table is pretty far away from the corner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He got way up there and you know, credit the jelly roll for taking this, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Taking the impact, they go through the table and then the medical staff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They start taking jelly roll away very, very slowly as Orton is getting worked over in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's two on one against Randy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Randy does hit a superplex on McIntyre just totally out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're still really slow to get jelly roll out of there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're walking at a snail's pace around the rain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You see where this is headed here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know he's going to come back in and they finally kind of get him over to the entrance aisle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he tells him, no, he wants to wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jelly Roll climbs back up the ring steps.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets tagged by Orton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jelly Roll starts clothes lining, Logan Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's walking just fine now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not selling anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He chokeslam's Logan Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gives Drew the black hole slam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gives Paul a power slam out of the corner, but Drew breaks up the pin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then Drew gives Jelly Roll the clay more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Drew turns around right into an RKO.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul then sends Orton into the ring post.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul goes up top, hits a frog splash on Jelly Roll back in the ring, covers for the pin fall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jelly Roll is selling?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not the greatest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they put Jelly Roll over better than they've ever put over Carion Cross to our earlier point here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they put everything this dude did over in this match and look, he delivered on what they needed him to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was in, he was crying about as much as CM Punk on WWE on real when he was walking around the, walking around the ring and he just looked like he was seventy five years old and all of a sudden he just snaps out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get back in the ring and he brushes up there as quick as only Jelly Roll can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to get the tag and my line of the night, which I completely forgot about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was dressed like a valvoline worker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you did put that in the Facebook group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why get some better reindeer jelly roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: forget what it said on the back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a play on something I can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Son of a sinner?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Something along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know he's resurrected his life and that's been the big story I think throughout with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kudos for him to do that and he's living out something he probably is wanted to do for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carl, give us your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been getting, I kind of threw my hands up, but they had the extended period outside the arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, it's going to be a rip-knock's ref maxed basically, because it was like, yeah, it was a hundred count bar in the pocket of the table spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in that point, I'm just going to accept this quality, it's gargars, it's a bit of, it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a guy in June that can tie in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can always recover himself if he wants to lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Paul with his part-time and all today's oughta, I think he's got it down on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they did a good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, excuse me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he really wanted to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that that's a big credit to compare to another rapper that clearly wanted the alignment, but what I said and the way he disappeared in the scene, some need interest dropped off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's nothing to do with egos, anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they want about seventeen minutes here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, much better than expected.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then they showed Hunter hers Helmsley at the White House.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently the whole crowd was booing for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They should still shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They should still shots of Hunter for the making America fit again campaign.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I can make jokes about hard issues, steroids, making America fit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, we're just going to move on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do the made of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which was in it credible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So look, let me just say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know on this podcast, we've given punk a lot of shit since he came back to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, I think one of the reasons that people tune into the show is we are objective about the product.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We criticize when it needs to be criticized.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We praise when it needs to be praised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No matter what we feel about, punk's return to WWE, I mean, the dude can obviously go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was a hell of a match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was, I would say, I've been going back and forth on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of his top three matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Since coming back to wrestling, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the only match I would for sure put ahead of it is the match he had with MJF, the dog collar match, which was my match of the year in twenty-two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Love that match so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was definitely better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see some people

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[SPEAKER_02]: putting his hell in a cell with Drew over this one, but I think it's pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he had a pretty good dynamite match with MJF two, but he also Eddie Kingston at full gear, twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a really solid match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we were there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Love that sprint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably top five matches that came back to wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think this is number two or number three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a freaking phenomenal match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I watched it again this morning, I liked it better on the second watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know he's not here right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll ask him tonight on the show, but Justin joint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: had to be beside himself with the sweating because I mean before your ten minutes and punk is just drenched in sweat and he is taking these chops and the camera shots of this sweat just flying everywhere right and then the blood that you get from gunther at the end of the match to I mean this was an awesome awesome match will get into like the details of everything that went down but just broad strokes Jesse give us your thoughts

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[SPEAKER_01]: They told a very good story throughout with punk just trying to work on the left arm and Gunther's physical nature just being way too much for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reversals of the finisher's which I liked and ended up into a roll up and turned into a big boot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing I really noticed about Gunther because I know you're going to go through a lot of the play by play Ryan is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: In all of his losses, his cocky nature has gotten him in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pattern that I have just spotted this last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I looked and I go, okay, it's the moment he gets cocky, you're like, oh, he's gonna lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he doesn't really get cocky in overconfident when he wins his matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that touch at the end with the blood, it reminded me a lot of one of my guilty pleasure movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Ivan Drego got cut open and round two of Rocky Four, it's the best you're still on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the sudden he just showed a chunk of human nature, the invincibility was gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as soon as that happened, that's when the tide started to turn and punk felt he could win the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, curl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I concur with the assessment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably more as best matches and things come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a stop spot for a bias for him versus Joe Wendley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it started because what happened that same night was up being there in person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was from me probably the best match on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That night, they told a really great story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Jesse says it was a, you know, a great doll of a Brit heart in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And probably came from Mr. Pong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I think the, the whole

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[SPEAKER_00]: people looking completely and only worn out and go over in a mill helps what happened after the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It all built up to the end, built up to the angle and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to Brickley's point about Gunther, yeah, he's dead of a gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was only Nick Pickard had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the tribe thought about it being a broken nose?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But last time I checked, when you broke your nose, you don't get blood on your forehead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To that level, but hopefully he won't become too long, because I think Gunther, for me, pound for pounds and all around that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably only a couple people ahead of it in recent last albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As an all-run character in rain, I probably may put them second, potentially beyond Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one hundred thousand dollar question, Ryan, that I think everybody in top rope nation wants to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gunther in CM Punk's Sharp Shooters, we would like your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I noticed Punk had it in homage to a Brett Mass with that Sharp Shooter spot, which we will, I'll get through in the play by play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But overall, I did

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[SPEAKER_02]: did pretty good sharpshooters over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to really sat back on that sharpshooter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'll take gumpers, although he kind of turned him in an odd way, but once he locked it in, it looks really, really solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give gumper them out there for the best sharpshooter in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I see everyone talking about the chat Britney's talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Gunther supposedly is going to be taking some time off from no surgery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had the injury going into the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did that spot on purpose where he took the nose dive, pun intended into the announced table to really sell that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was when he started believing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, hopefully he's not gone for too long because he's one of the true highlights in this promotion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No question about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the match itself we'll just walk through it here feel free to chime in and interrupt at any point if you want to talk about any spots in particular gentlemen, but it was cool that punk came out wearing a fantastic four gear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see Tim in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tim's going to like that and the white in the blue dressed up like the fantasy movie by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go see that if you haven't have not seen it yet on the list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did see Superman and really like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fantastic force, probably next for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, cool gear, the white and the light blue out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then going there comes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very back and forth early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get some chain wrestling going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're exchanging chops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Punk and one of the most nimble moves I have seen him do in a while does like a springboard up to the top rope lands on his feet stands up on the top rope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Gunther comes up behind him, chops the hell out of him from behind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really starts laying him in at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Punk sweating like a beast already.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said on my notes, there's this great slowmo shot of sweat flying everywhere as he gets chopped in the middle of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can just hear Justin joint screaming across town at that point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The blood coming off the chest, so both of these guys too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they broke the skin in the chest here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, punk just took a beating in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were only ten minutes in here and he's sweating, he's bleeding in the chest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Punk goes for an abdominal stretch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Goes for a GTS, but it gets reversed into a pinfall attempt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then there's a big chop again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Punk's in the ropes and Gunther chops him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He rebounds back down like into the ropes back up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's a big boot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: More chops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Punk's fighting back with the chop of his own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets these leg kicks up on Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, lost my spot here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, gone through a screaming out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm come on punk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's hitting the leg kicks.

57:28.298 --> 57:32.321
[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, Gunther just takes him down, which is this blistering huge chop again.

57:33.142 --> 57:37.105
[SPEAKER_02]: Then Gunther locks in a chin lock, and he's screaming at him, who's the king now?

57:38.686 --> 57:44.750
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk fights out briefly, but then Gunther takes him down again, and this is where he locks in the sharp shooter.

57:45.691 --> 57:52.096
[SPEAKER_02]: And Punk ultimately rolls it over, and he's laying on the mat, and he starts positioning

57:54.242 --> 57:56.183
[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther's legs into the sharpshooter wall.

57:56.223 --> 58:03.008
[SPEAKER_02]: He's laying on the mat and it's exactly how Brett did it at Summerslam, and he won against Mr. Perth.

58:03.709 --> 58:05.470
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the homage to Brett in this match.

58:06.291 --> 58:13.476
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, then he does that and he ends up standing up and he briefly locks in the sharpshooter, but Gunther is back on top soon enough.

58:14.036 --> 58:17.739
[SPEAKER_02]: More chops, back and forth, chops, right hands from both men.

58:18.380 --> 58:19.701
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk, it's a leg area.

58:19.741 --> 58:21.382
[SPEAKER_02]: He runs into the corner at Gunther.

58:21.862 --> 58:24.383
[SPEAKER_02]: but he gets caught and power bombed for two.

58:25.284 --> 58:26.905
[SPEAKER_02]: Pumpkin locks in the triangle.

58:27.025 --> 58:29.166
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to like, check his shoulders.

58:29.226 --> 58:30.667
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, look like his shoulders are down to me.

58:30.727 --> 58:32.027
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's got the triangle on.

58:33.708 --> 58:37.530
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk reverses a sleeper attempt and hits a Russian leg sweep.

58:37.570 --> 58:39.411
[SPEAKER_02]: He hits his running knee in the corner.

58:39.431 --> 58:41.572
[SPEAKER_02]: He hits a bulldog out of the corner.

58:42.333 --> 58:43.293
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk goes up top.

58:43.333 --> 58:47.576
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes for his flying elbow, but he gets chopped and pressed slammed off the top.

58:48.434 --> 58:54.896
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, Gunther hits a frog splash, which I remember last night, someone in the bleach report stream goes, they should be called the bull frog splash.

58:56.596 --> 58:57.057
[SPEAKER_02]: Chops.

58:57.817 --> 58:59.497
[SPEAKER_02]: Big close line from Gunther.

59:00.698 --> 59:03.038
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk catches Gunther running off the ropes.

59:03.859 --> 59:05.179
[SPEAKER_02]: Goes for the GTS.

59:05.319 --> 59:07.920
[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther reverses that into a power bomb.

59:08.520 --> 59:12.061
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a big drop kick by Gunther that sends Punk into the corner.

59:12.841 --> 59:14.722
[SPEAKER_02]: Then another Gunther power bomb for two.

59:15.948 --> 59:25.775
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk is crawling on the mat, and they got Gunther just standing over the top of him, and I thought at this point there was going to be another homage to Brett Hart.

59:25.835 --> 59:28.617
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were going to do the Survivor Series, ninety-five finish.

59:29.237 --> 59:35.601
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Punk was going to, like, out of nowhere as he's laying at Gunther's feet, stand up and small package for the win.

59:35.962 --> 59:37.803
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that that's, I could see that happening.

59:39.033 --> 59:40.714
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do that though, more chops.

59:41.374 --> 59:49.476
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk is set across the top rope and Gunther bridges him down to the mat for this submission that looked pretty gnarly briefly.

59:50.417 --> 59:51.317
[SPEAKER_02]: They go outside.

59:51.957 --> 01:00:05.962
[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther drops Punk across the ring apron and then he's taunting him and Gunther goes and he stands up on the announced table and he's celebrating and then Punk comes up and he trips him and this is where Gunther takes that nose dive and he goes underneath the table to blade

01:00:06.602 --> 01:00:09.926
[SPEAKER_02]: And he emerges and there's blood all over his face.

01:00:09.986 --> 01:00:12.949
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got to say he took that, he took that perfectly.

01:00:13.009 --> 01:00:15.211
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when he tripped, he really did land right on the set.

01:00:15.231 --> 01:00:15.972
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked really good.

01:00:16.352 --> 01:00:17.473
[SPEAKER_02]: Head first into the table.

01:00:18.054 --> 01:00:19.095
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we got blood.

01:00:19.596 --> 01:00:22.779
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, Pucca's is great kind of facial reaction to it.

01:00:22.839 --> 01:00:24.421
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, this, he sees blood.

01:00:24.461 --> 01:00:25.462
[SPEAKER_02]: This is his chance.

01:00:25.502 --> 01:00:28.565
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going after him, the ring, like, Hail Mary attempt here.

01:00:28.865 --> 01:00:32.566
[SPEAKER_02]: and running knee in the corner hits his flying elbow.

01:00:33.246 --> 01:00:38.607
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes for the GTS again, but it's reversed into the sleeper, and Gunther's got it cinched in in the ring.

01:00:39.087 --> 01:00:49.670
[SPEAKER_02]: Down on the mat, you think Punk has done here, but Punk fights out, he stands up, and he hits the GTS, and there's this awesome, awesome cell by Gunther.

01:00:49.710 --> 01:00:54.831
[SPEAKER_02]: He takes the GTS, but he's still on his feet, and he's kind of teetering backwards,

01:00:56.046 --> 01:01:02.295
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then, punk hits him with a second GTS, covers, gets the pinfall.

01:01:02.675 --> 01:01:04.978
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk is the new world champion for now.

01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.622
[SPEAKER_02]: But anything you guys want to jump in here?

01:01:10.189 --> 01:01:18.631
[SPEAKER_01]: No, in North America, at least, this, the methodical offense and just the believability of how he can simply either overpower you.

01:01:19.011 --> 01:01:20.251
[SPEAKER_01]: He can also outrestle you.

01:01:20.531 --> 01:01:25.052
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, at, isn't addition to any roster anywhere in the world.

01:01:25.192 --> 01:01:32.314
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, like I said, I wish there were, there were more creations like him in pro wrestling because he's, he's a throwback to yesterday, but he's so unique.

01:01:32.854 --> 01:01:33.094
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:33.254 --> 01:01:37.455
[SPEAKER_01]: I easily, this is Gunther's best match since probably,

01:01:39.471 --> 01:01:44.496
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe WrestleMania the triple threats with McIntyre and Shamus.

01:01:45.237 --> 01:01:45.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:46.298 --> 01:01:46.919
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

01:01:47.359 --> 01:01:48.621
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was phenomenal.

01:01:48.941 --> 01:01:50.082
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, go ahead.

01:01:51.163 --> 01:01:52.205
[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, Carl, go ahead.

01:01:52.645 --> 01:01:57.931
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we're going for, um, I could see him going to snap down on his return.

01:01:58.612 --> 01:01:59.693
[SPEAKER_00]: They need to talk to you.

01:02:00.857 --> 01:02:09.563
[SPEAKER_00]: shoot me in a face turn, he's going to look like, well, there will be a top heel because at the end of the end of the year, even if the face turn is a bank pun.

01:02:10.584 --> 01:02:16.528
[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea of him and Cody go into meeting next to you, sounds quite appealing to me, I quite like that as a

01:02:17.490 --> 01:02:24.234
[SPEAKER_00]: As a potential man, a bit of a program for Cody, because he needs someone who's going to bring us a bad midday with that.

01:02:24.274 --> 01:02:31.378
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll have that air of arrogance and that great character and I think they're kind of fantastic.

01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:34.360
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's been a few, potentially.

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.382
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd like to say, because I don't really see

01:02:38.398 --> 01:02:44.483
[SPEAKER_00]: much space for them on roll with what happens next and we've got that to the divide top here on roll now.

01:02:44.743 --> 01:02:46.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully it's got a long spare.

01:02:46.845 --> 01:02:55.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's sinus surgery, I think some false sinus surgery, so I don't know what recovery time is on that, but there's not that many shows coming up.

01:02:55.291 --> 01:02:56.772
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got pop free shows.

01:02:57.573 --> 01:03:03.678
[SPEAKER_00]: But to know for the rest of the year, so you can still be an obstacle in presence, maybe get the virtual mask out.

01:03:06.220 --> 01:03:06.801
[SPEAKER_02]: Ricky Morton.

01:03:07.161 --> 01:03:09.681
[SPEAKER_02]: Ricky Morton that we just talked about on classes.

01:03:09.721 --> 01:03:09.901
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:03:10.061 --> 01:03:10.281
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:03:11.082 --> 01:03:16.303
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, it's, yeah, and also you could set up Gunther and Roman, which is one of the big matches they could do too.

01:03:16.743 --> 01:03:17.503
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, agreed.

01:03:17.523 --> 01:03:23.745
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not really much for him on Raw that we haven't already seen, but they sent him over to Smackdown and they keep the rest of the upper card about the same.

01:03:23.765 --> 01:03:26.325
[SPEAKER_02]: That could set up some pretty intriguing possibilities.

01:03:26.385 --> 01:03:28.706
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that.

01:03:29.046 --> 01:03:30.866
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't their Jacob Fatu.

01:03:31.666 --> 01:03:32.727
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

01:03:33.507 --> 01:03:34.047
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be good.

01:03:34.387 --> 01:03:35.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Coming down the line.

01:03:35.548 --> 01:03:36.609
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe in a couple of years.

01:03:36.689 --> 01:03:38.590
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's post pole in that a little while.

01:03:38.610 --> 01:03:41.672
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think I'll get to that one anytime soon, but down the line for sure.

01:03:42.493 --> 01:03:51.579
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you get you get punk celebrating with the world title, which they said during the match that he was trying to get back the title that he hadn't had in ten years and

01:03:52.350 --> 01:03:54.371
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse, wasn't that title just created?

01:03:55.112 --> 01:03:57.453
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy years ago, not this cradle.

01:03:57.713 --> 01:04:04.317
[SPEAKER_01]: In a twenty three in May, the fourth iteration of the World Heavyweight Championship because right now, John Cena holds the other three.

01:04:05.298 --> 01:04:13.123
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess they're trying to make it like the old world title, you know, that they had big gold, whatever, but he got it back briefly and he's celebrating.

01:04:13.683 --> 01:04:17.045
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got the tears flowing, you know, the crowd's going nuts.

01:04:17.065 --> 01:04:18.146
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think at this point,

01:04:19.215 --> 01:04:21.336
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't really do a proper preview.

01:04:21.356 --> 01:04:24.516
[SPEAKER_02]: You previewed it on on unplugged Jesse for our patrons.

01:04:25.216 --> 01:04:28.757
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought, you know, if punk wins, we're a hundred percent getting the cash in.

01:04:29.317 --> 01:04:33.978
[SPEAKER_02]: And we are, we're going to talk about the injury stuff here, a lack of injury in a second.

01:04:34.479 --> 01:04:35.579
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just talk about what happened.

01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:37.479
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's celebrating.

01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.260
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of like looks around at all of the crowd.

01:04:41.365 --> 01:04:51.509
[SPEAKER_02]: and he gets back to the main hard cam and they zoom in on him and he's holding up the title belt and then you hear burn it down and man, punk's facial reaction.

01:04:51.889 --> 01:04:55.530
[SPEAKER_02]: I got as the background on our thumbnail here on YouTube was tremendous.

01:04:55.570 --> 01:04:58.391
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, fuck, you know, like here we go.

01:04:59.171 --> 01:05:04.073
[SPEAKER_02]: And out comes Seth Rollins and he's got, you know, still got the knee brace on.

01:05:04.093 --> 01:05:06.434
[SPEAKER_02]: He's coming out there on crutches with Hayman.

01:05:07.998 --> 01:05:12.940
[SPEAKER_02]: and you know, hey, man, and then we're talking about, you know, down the line, you know, watch out for us.

01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:36.648
[SPEAKER_02]: We still got the briefcase and then Rollins turns around and he's taking his crutches to the back and then all of a sudden he stops and he throws the crutches down and the crowd goes nuts, you know, and he turns around and he takes off that knee brace and he walks down and then he jogs down to the ring and he gets in the ring and

01:05:37.552 --> 01:05:48.318
[SPEAKER_02]: Punk immediately tries to fight him off and go for the GTS as I hail Mary attempt, but he can't hit it and then Rollins is taking him out with the briefcase, nails him in the head with it a couple of times.

01:05:48.959 --> 01:05:56.463
[SPEAKER_02]: Cash is in, they start the match, immediate curb stomp, one, two, three, Rollins is the champion.

01:05:56.883 --> 01:05:59.165
[SPEAKER_02]: And Rollins celebrates with his whole heel group.

01:06:00.005 --> 01:06:01.906
[SPEAKER_02]: Crowd popping for the heel when he died.

01:06:02.227 --> 01:06:04.008
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it always popped from money in the bank.

01:06:05.090 --> 01:06:12.840
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, yeah, it just reminded me of WrestleMania where Knight won a WrestleMania goes off the air and he's the story, you know, with the heel turn.

01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.304
[SPEAKER_02]: And Knight won a summer slam goes off the air and he's the story.

01:06:16.384 --> 01:06:23.332
[SPEAKER_02]: He's cost CM punk the title, you know, they're continuing this feud ultimately a title match down the line between the two of them.

01:06:24.363 --> 01:06:27.064
[SPEAKER_02]: I think right call to keep that feud going.

01:06:27.524 --> 01:06:29.444
[SPEAKER_02]: Stuck with Ryan Huffman here's in the chat.

01:06:29.464 --> 01:06:30.365
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about this earlier.

01:06:30.445 --> 01:06:31.465
[SPEAKER_02]: He would have liked it better.

01:06:31.505 --> 01:06:41.407
[SPEAKER_02]: He said if Rollins joined the match and Gunthered in win and he pinned punk to win the title and punk never got the title.

01:06:41.447 --> 01:06:42.568
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see that argument too.

01:06:43.328 --> 01:06:49.349
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this adds a little bit more heat though because punk actually captured the title and then he screwed him.

01:06:49.849 --> 01:06:51.770
[SPEAKER_02]: So like Rollins keeps screwing punk here.

01:06:52.994 --> 01:06:54.575
[SPEAKER_02]: And man, it was phenomenal.

01:06:54.835 --> 01:06:57.756
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a great ending, well executed.

01:06:59.177 --> 01:07:03.439
[SPEAKER_02]: Rollins did, oh my god, the lengths that this man went to sell this thing.

01:07:03.479 --> 01:07:06.801
[SPEAKER_02]: And we, I should say, we still don't know the true story on this.

01:07:07.341 --> 01:07:12.083
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, first of all, react to the cash in and then I'll talk about the injury, lack of injury, all that.

01:07:13.064 --> 01:07:18.406
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give Michael Jenkinson, his kudos for sniffing this out from the very beginning.

01:07:18.446 --> 01:07:21.508
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to talk about that too, saying immediately when I was a work.

01:07:22.673 --> 01:07:24.634
[SPEAKER_02]: And there might be elements of reality too.

01:07:24.814 --> 01:07:25.535
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll talk about that.

01:07:25.655 --> 01:07:26.535
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really knows.

01:07:26.756 --> 01:07:30.098
[SPEAKER_02]: But Michael and our group immediately said, this is not real.

01:07:30.338 --> 01:07:33.320
[SPEAKER_02]: Even when Sean Russ Appafightful was saying it was real.

01:07:33.780 --> 01:07:35.321
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of people were saying it was real.

01:07:36.782 --> 01:07:39.263
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, Seth, I'll just talk about it now.

01:07:40.664 --> 01:07:49.629
[SPEAKER_02]: Rollins sold this not only on TV and backstage at evolution where he was on crutches, like the day after Saturday night's main event where he lost to LA night.

01:07:49.669 --> 01:07:52.391
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even know if LA night knew it was a work.

01:07:52.991 --> 01:07:53.872
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't even know that.

01:07:54.132 --> 01:07:57.254
[SPEAKER_02]: Like sap was commenting on that on Patreon and faithful.

01:07:58.178 --> 01:08:00.899
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, we don't even know of Ellie and I, Ellie and I knew.

01:08:00.919 --> 01:08:02.600
[SPEAKER_02]: They worked the whole locker room on this.

01:08:03.321 --> 01:08:05.582
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody who would usually know did not know.

01:08:06.182 --> 01:08:11.765
[SPEAKER_02]: Rollins at his wrestling school in Davenport, Iowa, Black and Brave had the brace on.

01:08:12.905 --> 01:08:13.626
[SPEAKER_02]: And the crutches.

01:08:13.806 --> 01:08:16.127
[SPEAKER_02]: He worked his wrestling school trainees.

01:08:16.727 --> 01:08:17.908
[SPEAKER_02]: There's footage of him.

01:08:18.008 --> 01:08:21.430
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that I think this is as big of a deal as people on social were making out to be.

01:08:21.470 --> 01:08:26.012
[SPEAKER_02]: They showed him on crutches in like downtown Davenport with his daughter and like, look, he worked his daughter.

01:08:27.125 --> 01:08:27.785
[SPEAKER_02]: That's easy.

01:08:28.245 --> 01:08:32.586
[SPEAKER_02]: She at home, he definitely wasn't, well, all you gotta say is, hey, Daddy's gonna pretend to be injured today.

01:08:32.626 --> 01:08:34.106
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at, I'm gonna use the crutches.

01:08:34.146 --> 01:08:34.946
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a big deal.

01:08:34.986 --> 01:08:38.687
[SPEAKER_02]: But working your wrestling school trainees, that is next level.

01:08:38.707 --> 01:08:39.607
[SPEAKER_02]: That's wild, man.

01:08:39.687 --> 01:08:43.408
[SPEAKER_02]: Working the boys and ladies in the back, that's pretty crazy.

01:08:44.188 --> 01:08:45.968
[SPEAKER_02]: LA night, we don't know, potentially.

01:08:46.909 --> 01:08:49.529
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be questioning, does LA night get a title shot?

01:08:49.569 --> 01:08:51.449
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause he just beat this guy clean a few weeks ago.

01:08:51.489 --> 01:08:53.090
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be the first title shot, shouldn't he be?

01:08:55.150 --> 01:09:00.938
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, when this first happened, the like PW Insider said it was legit.

01:09:01.438 --> 01:09:04.362
[SPEAKER_02]: Fightful alleged that everyone believed it to be legit.

01:09:05.584 --> 01:09:07.146
[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of careful with their wording though.

01:09:07.286 --> 01:09:08.988
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the belief is it's legit.

01:09:10.255 --> 01:09:12.197
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, some people thought it was a work.

01:09:12.297 --> 01:09:20.263
[SPEAKER_02]: Meltzer was kind of thinking it was a work, but the one who really nailed it was John Pollock because John Pollock at post wrestling said that he had heard of an injury angle.

01:09:20.303 --> 01:09:20.983
[SPEAKER_02]: They were going to do it.

01:09:21.023 --> 01:09:22.785
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Nights Man event before it happened.

01:09:23.125 --> 01:09:25.346
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the one guy who really got this.

01:09:26.262 --> 01:09:32.605
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had posted just like within a day, I think of the injury in the Facebook group, what Brian Alvarez had said.

01:09:32.765 --> 01:09:45.671
[SPEAKER_02]: This was in response to Jenkins' comments on it that Alvarez was alleging on figure four weekly that it possibly was a cover for a real injury, but it wasn't as serious as what they were playing it up on TV.

01:09:46.152 --> 01:09:48.373
[SPEAKER_02]: That he might have had a small issue with his knee.

01:09:49.053 --> 01:09:53.697
[SPEAKER_02]: but they played it out to be bigger so that you would be more shocked when he came back at Summerslam.

01:09:54.297 --> 01:10:06.208
[SPEAKER_02]: I think at that point in the group, I think our narrative was, look, it's, and we haven't done a show since then, so we couldn't talk about it here on the airways, but we were talking about it in the Facebook group when we were saying like, yeah, we wouldn't be surprised if he came back at Summerslam.

01:10:06.468 --> 01:10:09.891
[SPEAKER_02]: He might really be injured, but it's probably minor compared to what they are selling.

01:10:09.931 --> 01:10:14.094
[SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of the belief within, I would say like, four to eight hours of the, of the injury.

01:10:15.215 --> 01:10:16.656
[SPEAKER_02]: But we didn't know for sure.

01:10:18.120 --> 01:10:24.865
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way that this played out was just perfectly done, just like his heel turn at WrestleMania.

01:10:26.023 --> 01:10:27.604
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my caveat on unplugged.

01:10:27.644 --> 01:10:33.789
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I think Gunther retains, but if he does not, I said, CM Punk will win and Seth Rollins will cash in.

01:10:34.069 --> 01:10:35.510
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wasn't completely clear.

01:10:35.570 --> 01:10:47.959
[SPEAKER_01]: So impressive stuff that he could keep at KFA in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,

01:10:53.763 --> 01:10:54.283
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, excuse me.

01:10:55.244 --> 01:10:58.606
[SPEAKER_02]: And we may never know what the real deal was with this.

01:10:58.626 --> 01:11:01.988
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he have like a spring knee just a little bit needed a couple of weeks off?

01:11:02.028 --> 01:11:02.768
[SPEAKER_02]: That's possible.

01:11:02.848 --> 01:11:04.989
[SPEAKER_02]: So they did the injury angle to give him some time off.

01:11:05.089 --> 01:11:06.670
[SPEAKER_02]: We will never know for sure.

01:11:06.710 --> 01:11:14.795
[SPEAKER_02]: But it certainly wasn't, you know, what people were thinking at the beginning and was being put out there about like he's going to be out for nine months to a year.

01:11:14.875 --> 01:11:15.595
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously.

01:11:15.655 --> 01:11:18.076
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was sold so well.

01:11:18.617 --> 01:11:19.017
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, Carl.

01:11:20.185 --> 01:11:26.635
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's an element of WWE got that information out to create a doubt to people that would maybe

01:11:27.545 --> 01:11:31.766
[SPEAKER_00]: be questioned more than others say they've got a message as you're upset.

01:11:32.047 --> 01:11:38.609
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there'd be a level of doubt that they was for it going to John and going to today's second hand.

01:11:39.129 --> 01:11:49.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Because people always have that natural, with day particularly, days that are made of UDIS, days that are made of UDIS, days that are made of UDIS, days that are made of UDIS, and it has got quite a bit wrong with them doing lately.

01:11:49.993 --> 01:11:50.873
[SPEAKER_00]: And John is quite

01:11:51.655 --> 01:11:54.456
[SPEAKER_00]: open about it's critique of WWE times.

01:11:54.937 --> 01:11:57.758
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if maybe they played a bit a little bit of a game there.

01:11:58.458 --> 01:11:58.858
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

01:11:58.978 --> 01:12:00.679
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's then I want more of it.

01:12:00.739 --> 01:12:01.599
[SPEAKER_00]: I want more work.

01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:02.460
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:12:02.820 --> 01:12:03.880
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be surprised.

01:12:03.900 --> 01:12:05.541
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to know what's going to happen.

01:12:05.981 --> 01:12:09.143
[SPEAKER_00]: I want that a little bit of doubt in there and credit to drawings.

01:12:09.823 --> 01:12:14.385
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen some people saying, you know, going back to WCW working the boys.

01:12:15.025 --> 01:12:18.587
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if the boys are that sensitive in the back with a doubt they are,

01:12:19.250 --> 01:12:28.076
[SPEAKER_00]: then probably in a wrong business because it's not her then, it's creating more interest in the product, ultimately, and that's to the benefit of all of them.

01:12:28.797 --> 01:12:30.038
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see that being a fact.

01:12:30.118 --> 01:12:41.346
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been good bit of business and hopefully now this hill group can kick on because there has been a bit of stock start.

01:12:43.655 --> 01:13:03.620
[SPEAKER_00]: We're still leaving the main board and by the way, I'm about to say that perfection needs a name that can be established some sort of identity about them, not they will call them the bronze as an example I think, you know, a lot of it out there, really, really well done cash in, not on the same level as maybe if anyone obviously, but not far off.

01:13:05.443 --> 01:13:10.487
[SPEAKER_00]: And the money in the bank cashings, this here, have both been hit.

01:13:10.907 --> 01:13:14.550
[SPEAKER_00]: How both last time we said that in a two group case area.

01:13:15.050 --> 01:13:17.252
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of any point.

01:13:17.933 --> 01:13:18.113
[UNKNOWN]: No.

01:13:18.633 --> 01:13:18.833
[SPEAKER_02]: No.

01:13:20.094 --> 01:13:20.275
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:13:20.315 --> 01:13:22.276
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is when wrestling's at its best.

01:13:22.356 --> 01:13:24.898
[SPEAKER_02]: When you don't know, for sure, what's happening?

01:13:24.978 --> 01:13:31.844
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, they surprise you, which is very rare in two thousand and twenty five, you know, to actually get surprised.

01:13:32.951 --> 01:13:35.393
[SPEAKER_02]: I found the post where we were all talking about this in the Facebook group.

01:13:35.613 --> 01:13:41.138
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we basically, the injury, the supposed injury was on Saturday, July to Twelfth.

01:13:41.719 --> 01:13:43.040
[SPEAKER_02]: And by Monday, we had a post.

01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:45.022
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really active in our Facebook group.

01:13:45.062 --> 01:13:49.386
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had said, you know, Jen considered immediately said, I think this is a work.

01:13:49.426 --> 01:13:50.427
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had responded.

01:13:50.487 --> 01:13:53.790
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Michael might be of this opinion because of John Pollock's reporting on this.

01:13:54.090 --> 01:13:56.472
[SPEAKER_02]: Turned out, Michael had not seen John Pollock's reporting on this.

01:13:56.532 --> 01:13:57.613
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just sniffing it out.

01:13:58.334 --> 01:14:04.896
[SPEAKER_02]: but Paul it claimed that he was told of an injury angle they're going to do with Seth as of last Thursday.

01:14:04.916 --> 01:14:07.057
[SPEAKER_02]: So two days before Saturday nights made event.

01:14:08.317 --> 01:14:19.081
[SPEAKER_02]: And then on wrestling observer live at the time, Alvarez, the injury to Seth's knee is real, but not as serious as they're going to make it out on TV.

01:14:19.521 --> 01:14:22.482
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone backstage at WWE claims it's a real injury.

01:14:23.062 --> 01:14:24.743
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody, even the producers,

01:14:25.223 --> 01:14:29.525
[SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone, all the match producers, anybody backstage was told it was real.

01:14:30.466 --> 01:14:41.771
[SPEAKER_02]: Alvarez at the time said he thought it could be possible that WWE worked in injury angle to cover for an injury to Cessney that already existed prior to Saturday night's main event as a cover to get him off TV.

01:14:42.752 --> 01:14:49.955
[SPEAKER_02]: Alvarez went on to say that he thinks Seth will be off TV, due to a real injury, maybe even have a small procedure done.

01:14:50.896 --> 01:14:52.577
[SPEAKER_02]: However, he thinks he'll be back.

01:14:53.720 --> 01:15:04.408
[SPEAKER_02]: And he thought that WWE would imply that Rollins will be out nine months or longer, which they'd never really gave a time table to my knowledge, but they kind of were implying he was going to be gone, you know, a long, long time.

01:15:05.207 --> 01:15:11.670
[SPEAKER_02]: And instead, we get this all-time moment where he shocks the crowd and ends summer slam.

01:15:11.730 --> 01:15:17.753
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they have a real tough time ahead of them tonight to equal how this show went off the air.

01:15:18.213 --> 01:15:22.716
[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently, there's a lot of secrecy with this Cody scene imagine what's going to go down tonight.

01:15:22.736 --> 01:15:25.497
[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully, he got something surprising and store again.

01:15:26.462 --> 01:15:29.926
[SPEAKER_01]: Carl mentioned earlier a lot of gimmick matches in this one.

01:15:30.827 --> 01:15:38.856
[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of similar to a great American bash in nineteen eighty six top rope nation classics, but got a chill in every now and then.

01:15:39.314 --> 01:15:43.456
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think there's a couple of matches, like I said Becky and Lyra always deliver.

01:15:44.176 --> 01:15:56.882
[SPEAKER_01]: And that six pack tag team championship match, I think is going to also over deliver, especially if you saw the triple threat ladder match on SmackDown after Russell Manio, it's been probably one of the top five WWE matches of the year.

01:15:58.083 --> 01:15:58.183
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:59.632 --> 01:16:00.332
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the match.

01:16:00.392 --> 01:16:03.053
[SPEAKER_02]: They got six matches tonight, Dom and AJ.

01:16:03.653 --> 01:16:07.434
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, they've got solo and Jacob Fattu and the Cage.

01:16:08.414 --> 01:16:12.956
[SPEAKER_02]: Naomi versus Eoscivers is Rhea and a triple threat, which is going to be really good.

01:16:12.996 --> 01:16:17.037
[SPEAKER_02]: I would assume, and the street fight with John Cena and Cody Rhodes.

01:16:18.393 --> 01:16:22.256
[SPEAKER_01]: Rio Ripley's found a dance partner, Neo Sky or vice versa.

01:16:22.276 --> 01:16:29.402
[SPEAKER_01]: It's aware that they've been hit in four star matches and above, I think, in all of two thousand twenty five and those two get in the ring.

01:16:29.542 --> 01:16:35.347
[SPEAKER_01]: So at Naomi to it, I'm looking forward to actually seeing a over the top performance from her for once in the ring.

01:16:35.547 --> 01:16:39.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Something we really haven't seen is a standout in ring prowess from her.

01:16:42.586 --> 01:16:44.266
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll be here to talk about it with you guys.

01:16:44.386 --> 01:16:48.887
[SPEAKER_02]: Tonight, probably like, fifteen to twenty minutes after SummerSlim goes on the air.

01:16:49.007 --> 01:16:54.748
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you are subscribed to the channel and you got bell notifications on so that you'll get an alert when we go live tonight.

01:16:54.788 --> 01:17:02.069
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be finishing up the Bleacher Report stream and then immediately coming over here to our channel with Jesse and Justin to recap night two tonight.

01:17:02.709 --> 01:17:04.390
[SPEAKER_02]: So looking forward to that.

01:17:05.010 --> 01:17:08.190
[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you tagging in Carl with us two shows in a row.

01:17:08.230 --> 01:17:11.471
[SPEAKER_02]: You did awesome on our Hogan show and then here today been a pleasure, my friend.

01:17:13.018 --> 01:17:13.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's appreciate it.

01:17:14.738 --> 01:17:17.059
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and appreciate your support on Patreon too.

01:17:17.099 --> 01:17:18.999
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been a longtime supporter of the show.

01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:20.300
[SPEAKER_02]: So we appreciate that.

01:17:20.940 --> 01:17:23.060
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse, always good, my friend.

01:17:23.660 --> 01:17:26.101
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, looking, I'm actually I'm looking forward to tonight.

01:17:26.141 --> 01:17:28.481
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, uh, there's some elements of mystery out there.

01:17:28.621 --> 01:17:32.362
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if we can actually get Justin to enjoy it just a little bit too.

01:17:33.202 --> 01:17:34.723
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just want to be the wild card.

01:17:34.743 --> 01:17:36.023
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see how he reacts tonight.

01:17:36.673 --> 01:17:37.774
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll want to tune in for that.

01:17:37.794 --> 01:17:41.636
[SPEAKER_02]: So all right, guys, this has been episode three, ninety one of top rope nation.

01:17:42.097 --> 01:17:46.700
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you all again here and probably tenish hours or so.

01:17:47.140 --> 01:17:51.303
[SPEAKER_02]: So until then, enjoy your Sunday and enjoy it night two of SummerSlam.

01:17:51.323 --> 01:17:53.104
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you all again real soon.

01:17:53.364 --> 01:17:54.045
[SPEAKER_02]: Take care everybody.