Why WWE Crown Jewel Is A Waste, AEW 6th Anniversary

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave me to do it, it is no pain!

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[SPEAKER_01]: The better it is, the better it was, and the better it will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back here, in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way to cry, It not reach me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: at the so 397th of top of nation a Sunday morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, Ryan Drossie Justin joined Jesse Velasquez talking a little WWE talking a little AEW, probably a little coffee talk, a little sports talk as we get started here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As we always do Jesse, your guys are playing over in Europe yet again, yet you were kind enough to join us this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How you doing, sir?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't watch games live when my son is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's reenacting maybe shit Shakespeare, but he could be doing just some sort of a Broadway over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's sitting away like he always does to his times tables.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got a lot of learning math right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He soaks it in like a sponge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is unbelievable how much attention or how much detail he retains when it comes to his times tables.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're all statistical nerds here I would assume so I mean Apple doesn't fall from the tree when it comes to my son.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How you doing Justin?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just kind of perusing the AW shop and they got some nice new t-shirts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a new brodito one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty freaking sweet in this Hispanic heritage month one is badass with just like all the masks of the wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will introduce that here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know it, it could have gone better yesterday, Justin for our favorite baseball teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Chris listener of the show is probably pretty happy with the Brewers, but Cubs really no showed game once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens as the series goes on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And same thing for your yanks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, they both really shaft the bed yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't mean the yankies also kind of shit the bed and game one against the Red Sox.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully it goes the same way as that one did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think playing the jays in the Mariners.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jay's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm rooting for a Yankees Tigers ALCS.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know the Cubs lost game one of the DS the year they won the World Series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So who knows who knows what'll happen, but yeah, they did, they did not look good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my bears are on a by week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really know what to do with myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No stress today as I watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's going to be kind of nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my Niners played on Thursday, so I'm not really interested in the NFL today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on there for in one with a bunch of scrubs?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the quarterback controversy has begun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a Mac Jones guy now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what, yeah, this might be heresy to say here in the state of Iowa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always thought pretty super overrated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just a product of the system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you have a great system out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you put him on another team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not nearly as good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's good, but now that he makes that much money, he's not quite that good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, that's kind of the, the Yin and the Yang with the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to pay those guys right once they get to that point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really have much of a choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to, got to balance it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, we got some pro wrestling to talk about you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot going on in WWE and AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Roman Reigns made his 5,000th return to WWE this week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Big return, we didn't just see him or anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse's favorite Andrade returned to AEW, shocking everybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was reminded that they won.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I finally know what COIS means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, you spurs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard that on a podcast a couple of days ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, that's what that means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why were they talking about spurs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could just came up in, I think, one of the three is either really, yeah, one of the three is really into English Premier League.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See, Niles and the chat reminded Justin about Tottenham.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, very good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, hey, look, we could start this either way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse's dropping stuff all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get into the details here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: unjust a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Jesse, let me just ask you about Andrade's return, you know, attacking Kenny Omega because you're a resident on Drade, not expert, but particularly critiquer of pops, I would say, and you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably a bigger pop than he ever gotten in its time when world wrestling entertainment when he went back, what did you think of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: might have spoiled my show open for un-plugged next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was indifferent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel just because this is nile, by the way, is in this chat, brought the greatest point to our Facebook group about him being almost this generation's Jeff Jarrett.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is his second time in AEW, he's been at WWE twice, and he really hasn't made a giant difference in either company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, while we're in a wait and see pattern here, and speaking of Andrade and the Don Callis family growing exponentially, I think they're at what are they at?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like 10 guys right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where does he fall in the pecking orders kind of is a new shiny toy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you get a, he falls in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had O'Cada to catch it a fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I would maybe put them for, but there's a couple other guys you can go all right he's for so my opinions are wait and see Especially since he looks like he's gonna be wrestling Kenny Omega right away If you give him a win over Kenny Omega, then you have to pay attention But if he just loses that match he's gonna fall right back down the line exactly where he has been for the last six years Yeah, yeah

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the important thing is that Andrade is aware as to where he stands in a company now that he is firmly entrenched in the midcard and probably won't get much higher than that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I still like Andrade, I think his in-ring work is solid and I'm just thankful that we have these kind of people that jump from company to company because as we talk about all the time, that's what makes professional wrestling fun is when people switch companies all

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I'm pretty pleased with it at the moment, I think we do probably need to have a discussion about the Don Callis family at some point, but yeah, I'm I'm pro on draw day, especially if, you know, if he's got his head in the right place as far as this current AW run is going to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's a better place for him, you know, ultimately, and probably he realizes that too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I always thought like during his first run in AEW, he was booked decently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he right up until the end, actually, you know, having some big wins right up until he walked out the door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, when TK was asked about him leaving,

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[SPEAKER_02]: prior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He basically, like, was super diplomatic about the whole thing, you know, doors kind of open as kind of how he left it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we saw that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's your point, Justin, always more exciting when you get these people jumping back and forth, you know, when he appeared in the ring after the lights went out and pulled off the mask, crowd absolutely ate that up down in Hollywood, Florida.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a cool moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll see how they carry through with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree, Don Callis family, getting a little bit too big for sure to Jesse's point where he slots in right in the middle there, probably somewhere, but yeah, you know, it's one night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll have to see where it goes, but yeah, you make a good point about how he probably needs to get the win over Kenny to make him seem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like a threat coming back if you want them to be taken seriously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We also got a world title match announced for the next paper review, WrestleDream down in St.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Louis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see two weeks from this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, two weeks away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Moa Joe and Hangman out and Page, who were in this six-man tag together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Joe takes Umbridge with the fact that Hangman stole his tag and they have this back and forth and then throughout the show Undying might the sixth anniversary show which we can talk about that moment here in a little bit too and the accomplishment that that is for this company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we get we get this world title match that nobody was expecting really you know a few days ago and obviously it's going to be probably a pretty awesome match Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How you feeling about this one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was too nervous to pull the trigger on that prediction because I think a week ago when they announced the six man I had actually saw some whispers out there like pengman Samoa Joe's is a possibility I said a maybe But how were they gonna get there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think how they got there in depending on how you look at it is a little controversial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was it was simple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should have played a little more and they started to, I think, as they were talking it out, playing a little more to the fact that Samoa Joe was never pinned by Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Albicki ever had a rematch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... never face were for any one for that matter also i'm just just lost my train of thought with some mojo and hangman he pinned hangman i believe in that triple threat match at revolution i think i can't have

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[SPEAKER_03]: because Swerve was crawling to him while Joe had him in the chokehold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There he go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got a tap out situation here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Samoa Joe can definitely hold that card nice and high over hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a, he's a credible opponent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, it's kind of similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably a step or two above just because I feel it's work, because work rate is better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody Rhodes AJ Styles, where you kind of know that the conclusion, it's almost an afterthought, we think Hayman's going to retain here, but the quality of wrestling is going to be a little bit higher in how he not loves Samoa Joe in a high profile match, just happy anniversary, I've said it how many times this week to him, and Kenza Kobashi 2005, Ring of Honor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's free on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so obviously kind of just like a stand by match before they jump to whatever hangman's next few is going to be, but if you have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: or if you need to kill that amount of time, this is kind of the perfect way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe is always going to be credible as a challenger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think in the eyes of most professional wrestling, these both these guys hang me in a Joe are so dialed in to their characters at this point that the execution of it was really well done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, I don't think there's, you know, any chance Joe is going to win the title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be an awesome match and, you know, it works for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys are, you know, two of the best to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if they needed to kill some time, I think this is a pretty brilliant way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John and the chat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin's going to love the sweat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, former world champion kind of getting at least among hardcore fans kind of like a legend Samoa Joe is at this point almost like a living legend who's still working and so yeah, I mean it's cool it's a fun match I like to set up for to with the backstage prom was afterwards Joe was particularly good I thought and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's three matches announced for the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I says two weeks away, we knew Darby and John Moxley and an I-Quit match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they also got to Chris Thattlander and Tony Storm and a singles match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Russell Tymelow and then got on the mic on Wednesday night and basically talked about how she has to know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has to know if she can hang with Staten one on one and had the multi-person match where she lost the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't imagine Tony's going to get it back right away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, also kind of similar to the men's situation, you know, just kind of killing some time here at this one before they transition them to something fresh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would imagine, but Julia pretty fun match in both of them are basically baby face first baby face matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we'll get that card fleshed out over the next couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we'll end up with 11 or 12 matches by the time we get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're just just three

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but once it I was was a pretty exciting night because of course it was a W's sixth anniversary show for Dynamite and I thought it was really interesting you guys when they showed the music video for like the best moments from Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went and think I wonder if they may show Cody, you know, I wonder if they're going to show punk and in fact both guys were in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that was one of the things I always hated, even though I was way into wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously at the time during the attitude era was like, it felt like the old stuff never happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they would hardly ever reference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hogan, macho, even Brett right after he left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, all that was erased.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always hate that stuff, just as like a historian of the industry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you guys, you know, I want to see nods to the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we have obviously a punk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It ended really poorly with Cody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know the full story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said some things in the media and on podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you have to acknowledge these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to look back at the six-year anniversary, you know, from memory, what they showed was like, Cody doing the spot off the cage at one of the early 2020 dynamites, they showed that, what was he doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was up in the luxury boxes, breaking into one of the boxes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They showed punk with the like when he did the thing was sting with his face painted up like sting What I'm what else am I missing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that that's what they picked for punk because he looked like such a nerd in that moment I liked it live though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought that was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was fun Yeah, Cody breaking into luxury box that was very early AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like fourth fifth episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah That was going into the first full year

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once a day show I don't remember this today show the same E. Gavara cut her off the ladder on the Cody because they should have that was The biggest room in sir, they W that time was that on dynamite or was that on I was dynamite our buddy Kyle Ross was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I could remember because it was the

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[SPEAKER_02]: I came think of the name what's the show they do it's like the clash of the change in the battle of the belts didn't he wrestle him in the latter match and battle the belts Dustin was that Dustin Sammy wrestled Dustin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got that thing flew by so fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming they showed the golf cart moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's yeah, there's a lot of different things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you definitely had to watch for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're watching for it, you saw those guys in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, six anniversary of Diana Mike, you guys have anything else, A, W, one and a half before we.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would just say, I think my biggest takeaway out of that anniversary show was no Jericho, which tells me he is definitely out the door and you can pry head to WWE, which is good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where he should go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Big shocker, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Real big shock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: out one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys have your prognostication hats on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we're going to get Kyle Fletcher, Mark Briscoe, at Wrestle Dream?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to save that for a little further down the road?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, I don't hate it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've seen that match already a few times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if there's two people that can go in the ring, it's those two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that also kind of feels like a little bit of a placeholder match to see where both of them go after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I popped out that chat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, throw that one up there, Ryan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If TRN was WWE, you would never acknowledge Kyle Ross.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as you guys know, we do, we do acknowledge the boss Kyle Ross.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of, he'll be back on TRN classics here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully shortly, we've been talking with Kyle, but make another return on the classic show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things I've really been noticing with ECW in 1995 is like they'll acknowledge when one of their people signed with another company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was an angle with Shane Douglas going

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[SPEAKER_00]: were very open and honest with Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malinco in their last match saying that WCW has a deal with New Japan so unfortunately we can't have them here anymore in the fans just absolutely didn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They mean they were very sad they didn't do the useful outshands yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean that's probably coming later on down the road, but it's WW the only company in the history of pro wrestling that has never acknowledged their past or rarely does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if a guy isn't, you know, under contract with him, they just as well be dead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was bothered me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, why?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why was I thinking Cody wrestled battle of the belts match?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I looked at that boy guys who were talking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was supposed to and then he had COVID.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Dustin's sub for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Cody and Sammy had worked the beach break match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they were doing battle of the belts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Cody got COVID.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My god the last few years especially during COVID doesn't that just feel like it just It's like wiped from my memory of a hard time going back to remembering exactly what happened Don't want to I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I say if we contracted COVID that's probably how it happened Well Justin and I got COVID out in Las Vegas at the AEW show

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the time we got back, we had a whole loan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just talking with someone about that this week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, what were you going to say?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to put kind of a period on the A W discussion and specifically the Don Calls family.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there've been people comparing it to the NWO.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand that comparison, but I am way more into the Don Calls family than I ever wasn't to that version of the NWO because when guys were joined the NWO, left and right, they were basically glorified jobbers, a bunch of those that were joined to the NWO.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there were people that nobody was really interested in seeing on their television, whereas I am at the very least,

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[SPEAKER_03]: fans of the in-ring work of everybody that's in the Don Calls family, even if I'm not really all interested in their character or where they're going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, looking at Rocky Romero and Trent and Lance Archer, but everybody else, I'm a big fans of, and you know, want to see where they go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And frankly, in the biggest point is that I have faith that there is a purpose to the size of the group right now that there is a end game to all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There should be, especially at the top of it, you wonder with O'Cotta Takeshita and Fletcher, who's going to leave the group.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to be getting a baby face turn here real soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got that big match next Monday can sack saver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to determine a lot of his future if they do do a continental classic is he in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of things still left to be up in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love Hitches, Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting kind of interesting uh yeah they're making it a united nations ask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's tremendous in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a Zack Saber and a Brian Danielson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you like that style of wrestling, some people are bored by it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think most of us here like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, guys, we're going to pause here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might be the only time you get us this coming week with mine games on Thursday, Ryan will be putting out a review on Bleach report on Saturday I believe after Crown

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because yeah, I mean, I will do, but we'll see, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, with the look on Justin's face, we're not doing a show next Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I want you my hair that night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, unfortunately, I got another other things going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan, I'm going to catch you here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This rarely happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a new patron, don't we?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I forgot to call that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super cool to have him in the chat last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was quite active.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, he joined right after joining us live on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen this morning yet, but no one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of top robination and hopefully Noah is enjoying all the bonus content and make sure you don't miss classics this week when we look back at in your house mind games really really looking forward to that mind games you guys was a show that it took me a long time to see that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't order it live, you know, this is before I was into tape trading, and I remember the Coliseum video that one was really expensive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember even like trying to get on eBay probably late 90s and that one was one of the highest selling ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It took me a long long time to see that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I did eventually get into a trade probably in like 99 or 2000, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys remember when you first saw

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was relatively quickly, although I don't remember how I watched it other than it would have had to have been the local video store actually had it for me to rent because I remember in a pretty short order, me getting to see that and Michael's invader because I felt like in the moment I was catching up with Sean's title run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I do know that the store that you went to had a lot of the 96 Coliseum's because later I bought most of them, but they probably did have mine games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That one was gone that one I bought it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember I got like Survivor Series SummerSlam at that store for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to kind of off topic, Noah adding an additional fresh blood fresh take in the $10 tier to see what his taste in a classic wrestling is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need some new blood, nominating some matches, and I think he's going to hopefully inject some life into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember only bits and pieces of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the beginning in the end, we're like the only two things I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael's mankind and then the Savio, Hawk, Bradshaw, Stratmatch, which the match itself wasn't horribly memorable, but obviously something happened and that was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: it into Jesse's point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the 10 dollar tier patrons, they get to nominate shows for the classics poll every month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When we decide what we're going to be reviewing that month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, it will be eligible to nominate shows for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We also do merch drawings every quarter for the patrons and the 10 dollar tier, which reminds me I need to do one of those, so I'll be doing that here probably this week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as well, and given away some merch to our $10 patrons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's more benefits.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The higher the tiers you go up, you guys can read all about that on Patreon, but yeah, $5 a month gets you access to all the bonus shows right away for just $5.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like buying one of us a beer or coffee once a month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, John Hope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hope Noah goes for the NJPW shows like me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those have never won a classic spool, but we'll see John, we'll see in the future.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if they do win, we're going to make whoever nominated him, join the show for that classic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Give us the blow by blow of the five hour show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, let's talk a little WWE, just a, a just, just a Justin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking the words Justin and sorry, and then they all just kind of blended together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Justin, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have to talk about WWE a little bit here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the thumbnail on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still the biggest pro wrestling company in the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I have any rants this week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I did last week and WWE for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe something will come to me as we get through this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, next weekend, WWE Crown Jewel, which, you know, doesn't make a lot of sense to call a show Crown Jewel that's happening in Australia, but here we are, um, former Saudi show and they're still, this is the big point I wanted to make.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know we talked about it last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just absolutely hate that they are wasting these champion versus champion matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a colossal waste of some of the biggest matches you can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, you got Cody, the Undisputed Champion, taken on Seth Rollins, the World Heavy Way Champion, for the WWE Crown Jewel Championship belt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And does anybody remember how many times you saw the Crown Jewel Championship belt last year after they crowned it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: after Cody beat Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe you saw it never again after that, mate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could be mistaken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was seen again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, am I wrong on that, Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would guess one, maybe directly after a happened, and I think what I've noticed as well was with Gunther ever since then, he's kind of, not hit a bottom, but he's for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's hit a bottom in WWE since then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we talk about repetition

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[SPEAKER_02]: I talked I ran to the last week about their creative being kind of sucky the last several months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cody and Seth is like a match that they haven't done in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the last time they wrestled was 2022 and a singles match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this is it is it's a big match, it had some awesome matches in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just doing this match just it's kind of like when they had the hell on a cell pay per view so they would do hell on a cell just because they had to and now that they started this crown jewel championship gimmick they got to have the two champions face off when that should be the biggest match you could possibly do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now they just do it because the the theme to show is coming up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's no storyline reason for it, you know, I hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you also got Stephanie the Keer taken on Tiffany Stratton, the two women's champions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, like these are really big matches that you got to throw away just because it's crown jewel time, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a it's a waste and I think their purpose at first was because Saudis given them so much money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're going to put champion versus champion and give give you that something you're never going to be able to see here in the United States because we did away with that to type of stuff with the Survivor series and live Morgan by the way holds the crown jewel women's championship from last year and she's injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they actually have an easy out to say, okay, she can't be in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why as opposed to what if she was in this mat or what if she was still active and she lost the title a long time ago like the women's world championship is it a triple threat?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to explain that or are we just going to skip history there too?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they might skip history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing they're going to skip history on that one, but, you know, we'll see, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think ultimately it's really disappointing, it's just, you're wait, just like I said on the thumbnail, you're wasting a huge match, you know, just because it's time to do the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to have Seth and Cody wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that any benefit the winner gets from beating another champion,

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[SPEAKER_03]: is outweighed by the damage it does to the loser to Jesse's point about Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a Gunther is talented enough that it's not like it's going to barium, but he, in that moment, did not feel like his big of a deal is Cody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're going to have these two world champions, isn't that the point?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just to make both these guys feel like a big deal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's really, really difficult, and it has been, you know, to make both world championships feel like they're an equal footing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a challenge of having two world titles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you obviously when you have them face each other, one of them's going to look like it's not as good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've never liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did this back in the day on Survivor Series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember at the time we ran to it on the show about that, too, that it's just not a good look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a good idea to just do it because it's, we got to do rather suspect down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to do the two world champions wrestling each other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of the exact same thing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They threw an XT into the mix in 2019.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think because of that whole Saudi situation in the hot radar on Halloween time, where NXT had to come in on a SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, let's just roll with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But once it was over, Keith Lee, like any opportunity I can dimension him, whereas he these days, he got over huge on that card and was just never truly to be seen again until August of 2020, even though he was a double NXT champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like none of those people really got over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one was really elevated into main raster tier for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When did Vince stop, you know, actually striking when the iron was hot with a professional wrestler was the last time he did that with Sina and Batista just seems like he just eventually gave up on it and he would only, you know, slow burn guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: or for for some down our throats like with Roman Reigns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean they ultimately did Brian but you know the fans kind of forced that punk funk forced him to Yeah, fans did yeah, though that's I don't know those are really the two that stand out because yeah with Roman it was just like

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[SPEAKER_02]: pushing, forcing, forcing it, forcing it, I mean, we were there just in WrestleMania 34 trying to make it happen crowd revolted beach balls everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And speaking of Roman, he came back on Raw this week, came back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how many weeks he's been gone hasn't been that long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was once again promoted as the big return for him to, you know, come back and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, he made the save, the usos were wrestling the vision and the tag team match and he came out and you know helped them go over and then he had this thing with Jay who's been kind of like leaning in to possibly maybe a heel turn is in his future and they do this handshake and Roman tells Jay that you know this is his house or however he worded it and Jimmy is looking on like kind of he's questioning the whole thing in the background what's what's this mean and

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I put their out there on Twitter that night was like, well, if you don't have any good new material, you just play the greatest hits and that's what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like more bloodline stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have, and that again, I got some people in my mentions, like there's good stuff in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about the women?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the women is the most interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The raw women is the most interesting thing in WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but outside of that, like the main event of the men's scene is so rinse and repeat now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just talked about they're doing something fresh with Cody and Seth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have wrestling three years, but it's because they have to and then we'll transition away from that immediately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I assume after Crown Jewel, but like the long-term storytelling is back to the bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: back to the bloodline is J.U.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is still going to become the new Roman reigns and you know how Roman carried the title forever and you know had helped to win all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what they're going to do next with J.U.

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[SPEAKER_02]: so make him the old the old Roman reigns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, it's the same thing they've been doing for five years you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's just how can we repaint this car and push it back out there and run the audience Jesse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, set is a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Roman Pavlov's dogs any time of your returns, they go, no, it's hit so I think this, like the fourth return in 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, seriously, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm even seeing it a lot on social media that people are getting tired of what's getting served to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I don't know how much difference is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since an adi by the way, we talked about this last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You did Ryan, you mentioned a two months ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They ended up at like six or seven thousand, which was like five thousand less.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on SmackDown than they had the last time they were there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a couple of people making excuses for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's two simple answers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The product isn't as hot and that's like a prices are absurd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Punk's going to be bringing up the amount of people on the hard camp side anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got someone, because I put up a short on our YouTube channel, someone had commented on it about, well, 5,000 still bigger than any of AWS TVs this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, that's like, what about is them?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, WWE is a legacy brand that's been around for generations that was, the whole point is the drop-off, you know, like the percentage drop-off of what they were doing in the same markets in the last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're doing bigger business than AWS.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's irrelevant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The point is, this is WWE, a much bigger company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have been trending downwards after, you know, four months and months and months and months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All of the masturbatory Breaking about their ticket sales.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And hey, this is the biggest gate ever, you know, for this company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for paying our inflated ticket prices and if the fans cheer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, they ended up with way less people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get the final count here for WrestleTicks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they have like 7,600.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last time they were there, they had 12,200 for raw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Back in February.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So basically fell off about 5,000, which is not quite 50%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've taught my heads like a 40% drop off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and their tickets in the same market and the same building, like eight months later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it has to do, it has to be due to the ticket prices, probably creative a little bit too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that they continue to price out people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just don't know what middle-class families are affording these tickets right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they are,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why they're spending that much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Given the state of the US economy, it probably put it on the credit card, and paying it off over months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not why, isn't my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I said it last week, I read the quotes from Mark Shapiro about how, oh yeah, we can continue to make more ticket yield, but just like UFC is done, and it's just so toned up, given the state of this country right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, that's just how they think of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They think of you as people that are,

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[SPEAKER_02]: willing to pay whatever they price it at, and that's that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I said it again last week, Vince McMahon is a terrible human being, but it is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You try to keep take a price as reasonable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the few positives about that guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you could say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, it's completely outrageous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was, yes, 7600 would be a great TD crowd for AEW for WWE when they drew over 12,000 there earlier this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The hard cam side is just to mention, there's pictures of it pretty much nobody on that side for SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's, we have to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a huge downturn for WWE in that market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Niall, I pitched a future idea this morning that is kind of alluding to what you're talking about on both of the, for both of your chats there about WWE and studying their business in the last year and a half and also studying AEW during that same time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be interesting if just a breakdown over those months to see the direction of both companies, which way they've gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then one last thing here, uh, seeking a painting in old car, we're seeing another United States open challenge, uh, Sam, he's been doing it for a few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gotten some good marks, but again, it's rehashing an idea from a decade ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do it again in Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: here coming up on SmackDown before a crown jewel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll add one more thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: NXT in the last couple of weeks has been putting some of their talent on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm hoping that at least one or two of those people will stick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a JV on Evans, and maybe a soulbrook or once you lose his or an North American title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just glancing where things stand, raw, as in Dallas, this Monday, they have over 10,000 out for that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had 14,000 last time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I read that one off last week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So still, I mean, it's still a good house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the point is they're down significantly from where they were earlier this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll continue following the ticket sales and how all of that plays out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll look at AWS and if they're improving or not, their paper views continue to draw really well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: TV and between has been really hit or missed for AWS.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the setup in Florida, this Wednesday, it was a theater setup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that that looked pretty good on TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like to say, usually when they run the theaters, they look pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I thought the ECW arena looked pretty mid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I talked about that on the show when it happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were there for weeks and weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that might have been a mistake to run that many shows in that building.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think as I got one off, it would have been fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they've been doing these residences here and there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that that's one that they should return to anytime soon personally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they should run the Manhattan Center again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That looked awesome when they ran the holiday shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was that last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd run their multiple, at least twice a year if I were them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the venue looked great on Dynamite, but holy shit, that crowd deserves to never see another wrestling show ever again with doing fucking what chance in the year 2025.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's real bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a 45-minute show, but I don't think I think I've hit all the points.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have made this week unless you guys have anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, John and the chat asked us what A.E.W.

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[SPEAKER_03]: could do to capitalize on, you know, W.E.

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[SPEAKER_03]: kind of looking at a downturn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they just keep doing what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, eyes forward, ignore the competition, just keep putting your best foot forward.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's putting on great paper views, great matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And really nailing the details of their stories, which they've been pretty good at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think another thing they could possibly do is maybe take a small step up in our rena sizes look at between 46,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As opposed to what would be one to 3,000 is what they've really been running consistently since the product was at a little bit of a dip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe they can start to take that step forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep in price is the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That should be pretty simple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you especially when your competition's overcharging?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's another way they could go, but yeah, run the course, especially when they're also is that potential with Swarvan Osprey gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: MJF might be gone here for a little bit, a lot of their talent is not there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're high profile talents, so do what you can with these guys, but also elevate a couple of people in the process, like a Mark Briscoe, and Darby Allen, even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he has been elevated, but now you can throw him to another tier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: now says a wonder if business goes down further will still see executive producer Paul Vivek into the shows yeah and you know again i just want to reiterate we're not saying that their their businesses going down so much that a.w.s beating them we know that's not the case we're not stupid but it's worth talking about that after they were growing and growing and growing people were saying it was a boom period which i always said was ridiculous to call the boom period

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're making a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's metrics now, least watch raw ever, take it sales way down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's true that the business is coming down even so, yes, that is still way above a W numbers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We would expect that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a six year old company versus, like I said, a legacy brand, it's been around forever, has mainstream like name value.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knows WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although I did see a W Dynamite did get a shout out during the Brewers Cups and

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[SPEAKER_02]: which was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It came back after one of the commercial breaks and promote it because it's on TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was cool to see that on M.O.B.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Playoff game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have more one more thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Tuesday night dynamite this coming week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are going head to head with NXT on their normal night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ignore all the ratings BS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure a lot of people will really highlight that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, just put on a good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's title Tuesday, according to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all they have to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Their fans are going to be devoted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and a lot of the things I'm certain to notice to you is, I think a lot more people are watching on Macs than they are these days on TVS and yeah, TVS and or TNT.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, especially now that they put the paper views on there, and there's incentive to have max to get the $10 off, and also get all the max content.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think, I don't know what the number is, obviously, but it would make sense to me if I didn't already have max to get it, and I can watch all of a U there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right, guys, that's all we got for you this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a brief two-the-point show, as we sip on our coffee this Sunday morning, but it's been a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Justin is due to a little grilling today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sir.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got ribs on the smoker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll enjoy that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to enjoy a little red zone this afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, probably catch the end of the Vikings game here just so you can check it on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see where he's at on his time tables video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once that's done, we're moving on to, yeah, of the Vikings game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice, very nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right guys, episode 397 in the books closing in on episode 400, never a better time to support this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We come up on another milestone here in just a few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back with you real soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate your support everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Take care and enjoy what's left of your weekend, have a great week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Go Yankees!