Will Ospreay Faces Surgery, AEW Forbidden Door Thoughts

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ladies and gentlemen, it is no fun!

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Fettler is best of us at the Fettler will be, and you know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back here in my eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The boom of the clock, they're not rich enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: episode, three hundred and ninety four of top rope nation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am your host for this evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse Velaskas, Ryan Drossie is not with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will talk about that here momentarily, but my friend to the right of me, Thomas Frank, for life, aka Justin Join is with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am doing pretty darn good, Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, it's a little chaotic right now because school is starting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're just trying to get everything ready for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we are on, I get, I didn't tell you this, Prisha.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are in a little bit of a timeline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My wife set the, our washer to start with a delay of one hour in that washer is like twenty feet away from me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully we can wrap things up before then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Done and done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when is kids of first official day of school or was that today?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We met up with his teacher this evening and met her and got everything organized.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be interesting because unlike last year, the majority of his friends are in his class this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully he learns something, anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he will, but it also will depend on the attention span of his fellow friends too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just FYI, Thomas Frank is the current manager of Tottenham, and they are off to a rip-roaring start right now, which is why that is my tag line for the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, are they, I'm assuming they're unbeaten?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, they've won their first two matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now if they could just maybe, you know, do a transfer or something get some players in, that would be nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although I absolutely love what I'm seeing from Muhammad Kudu so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, exciting times roll with what you have for now and see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, man, I see your Vikings brought in Carson once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to say is that worry, some like maybe they're concerned about JJ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No concern with JJ McCarthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The concern was with Sam Howell, who they let exit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They traded him to Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted a veteran presence behind JJ McCarthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, the third string quarterback is an undrafted free agent from the University of Minnesota, Max Brosmer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the reason why Carson Wins was brought in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did not want Brosmer was going to be the backup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how good of a preseason he has had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they want that veteran presence to hopefully mentor Brosmer in case something happens and maybe in a year or two, he could be the backup to JJ.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm relieved to hear that because I'm rooting for JJ.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of my buddies has invested highly into card collecting JJ cards.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm hoping for a big year for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two weeks from tonight, the co-hosts of top prognation bowl week number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago bears Minnesota Vikings in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hot damn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to be a fun opening at Monday evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know off the top of your head real fast before we roll?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who the Forty Niners play opening weekend?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes me a while to get it into the NFL season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It helps if forty-nine are good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It will probably make a huge difference because my kid is obsessed with football.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's the start of the Premier League season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're months away from NBA season starting and those are kind of my two preferred sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know, we'll see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of just depends on if anything interesting is happening in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right now they have one healthy wide receiver besides Kittle to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Ricky Pierce all's your number one going into the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll you could be back in about six or seven weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Joanne Jennings should be ready to go and the sea hox is who they open with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hopefully Pierce all doesn't get shot this off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Happen right around this time last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to roll the patron scroll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patreon dot com slash top rope nation, which also is where you can find Ryan Drossie's forbidden door review from yesterday went on the air with Jeremy Lossam breach report tremendous stuff is just and reported to me this morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, I sent Ryan an angry message this morning that I wish I hadn't of listened to it because all of his talking or all of what we're going to be my talking points for for didn't door he basically knocked out of the park in the first ten minutes of their show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm you're going to be hearing a lot of me regurgitating what Ryan has already said on the bleachary board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how in sync we are as hosts I believe so patreon.com slash chop rope nation you can hear Ryan's thoughts on that you

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[SPEAKER_00]: For the YouTube, also the two ninety nine YouTube membership, you can check out the video there with Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His star ratings were also released to our patrons this morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I released a TR and unplugged on Friday previewing what we are going to talk about here today for bitten door from yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also halfway through the month of August in ECW, nineteen ninety five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to the turnings of September when we

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[SPEAKER_00]: see a couple of Hall of Famers enter the ECW promotion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So after I listened to Ryan's Bleach report review show for Bidendor, I went backwards because I had busy weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went backwards and listened to your preview show for Bidendor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a fun little back to back getting to hang out with my friends at work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and see how my predictions were not horribly wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're horrible at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you really nailed some of the major things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and most certainly did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just wrong on a couple of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I was shocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, neither, I suppose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both were probably the toss-ups of the evening, which we'll get into right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before we do that, how about just in your grade for a bit in Doria's today?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, whether it's fair or not,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough not to grade a w paper views against all the previous a w paper views.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And man, I got to say this this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This one was pretty just man for me, it's probably it's a lower tier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: paper view, it's still like from top to bottom, every match floated around three to three and a half stars for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately, every match floated around three to three and a half stars for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're unlike most AWS to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was not a match of the year contender on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The major talking point on your preview show that I agreed with going in

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[SPEAKER_02]: and bore out to be true is that this was just a really predictable show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, that's not always a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of felt like a little bit of a stepping stone to get to the next thing that'll be bigger and more important.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of hurt it for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll maybe talk about a little bit of the issues with just the whole

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[SPEAKER_02]: forbidden door, paper view in general.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a little bit of a mess right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although, you know, if you have banger matches to me, I don't really care about the fact that it's supposed to be integrated with other promotions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would say, I still had a good time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, BB- I would say, you know, I will take this over any WWE show of the year, but this is definitely, I think,

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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe neck and neck with dynasty for, you know, the quote unquote worst show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It still had highlights.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It had it, it absolutely amazing crowd in atmosphere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was so cool seeing the O-II center, just jam packed for this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a lot to like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be too down on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause like it's not like I had a bad time watching it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And our buddy John Hopes, they're watching in person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a great time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: by the sounds of it, but it just was a little lackluster for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The energy in that building, yeah, totally fed into the performers as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're right, I think this is one of those rare paper views where the floor and the ceiling for it were almost identical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of a match that was awful, or something that like fell below from a grade's perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And usually, I can pinpoint one or two where I'm like, oh, why was this on this show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything on it served its purpose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I toggled in between the B to be minus range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think as we talk about it, I'll give the definitive grade as we go on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, those peaks, they didn't quite have hit that note.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little higher on one match, I'd say than other people were where I would maybe go high threes, maybe the four range, but everything else was like three to three and a half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, there was definitely matches that I was really getting into and then there would just be something to pull me out of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like some outside interference or like, I don't know how I feel about Billy Starks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: yet but like that whole bit of the Athena and Tony Storm match that kind of pulled me out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to say one of my biggest pet peeves and professional wrestling is watching a wrestler who gets like knocked down or whatever on the mat and then you just kind of see them adjust their body to get into position for whatever the next thing is and there was a moment that were Tony Storm had to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't blame them but it is something that will take me out of a match and then man it felt like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of issues with Hangman in MJF that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there was moments and stretches in that match where I was really getting into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they would do something to completely pull me out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was just way too much gaga.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely hated the spot with Hangman's foot on the rope where Bryce Ramsburg made the three count.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a groggy three count and you know and then just minutes later he sees hangman's foot still on the rope with MJF trying to take it's just like what are we doing here these guys are too good for this you know I've talked many times how

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[SPEAKER_02]: some of Will Ospreys over indulgence in matches can kind of hurt his matches for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that same thing can apply to MJF, both performers who I absolutely love who are probably in my my Mount Rushmore of current professional wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, there's a little bit too much of your typical MJF Gaga in that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that one kind of kind of hurt that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Remsberg had zero energy after he hit that three count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that before where the ref just lays there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no bell that rings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's one of the rare unique spots in pro wrestling where I thought it was interesting, but you write all the gaga that led up to it was just yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do we want to approach this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Start from the top and go down or like do you have any big overarching thoughts on the show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, where should we?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think since from a viewership perspective, we're in the low end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start at the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I feel like the right team won, which is part for the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, basically, I wouldn't argue with anybody or any winner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if just was like, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little too, it got a little corny for a match that is to me, felt like it, you know, it's a grudge match that should have been leaned into the violence a little bit more or to the the grudge of it all considering everything that Moxley has done, but there was just too many like T. He moments with the gummy bears like with maybe that spot on a dynamite wouldn't bother me and I'd be able to enjoy more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the spot with them trying to stop time a Hashie from going up the ladder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just pulls me out of the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, it felt like the only person, you know, they talk about how in movies that actors like you might have one actor who is in a completely different movie than everybody else just by the way they're approaching the material.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of what this match was for me with like

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[SPEAKER_02]: the only person, one hundred percent in the right match was Derby Allen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was just moments where everybody else was, I mean, the death writer for the most part were in the right match, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was just like I said, a little bit of a disjointedness to it that would take me out of the match at moments when I was really getting into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even open up with the young bucks coming out to Hansen's Bob.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's before the match starts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, even then it's like, then you just kind of see Omega and Osprey dance along with and there's no there's

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing wrong with fun and comedy and professional wrestling, but when it's your unsanctioned lights out, steel cage mash, where you're going up against the death writers who've been, you know, reaping the landscape for almost a year now, and you're just doing the he-ha stuff is just, again, just kind of took me out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially when the flows at the two and a half minute long video of Will Osprey going to career in his fiancee just going through it and saying how proud he was of him and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you got ulterioried even before the match even started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the comedy hijinks didn't really serve the real correct way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, you know, I liked the ending angle, but why did the baby faces all of a sudden forget how to climb a cage?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just even then that just again, it takes me out of the moment where it's like, I like what they're doing with with mocks in Osprey, but you know, the stuff outside of it's just like, yeah, just kind of left me wanting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It took the heels, all of maybe ten seconds to crawl over the top of the cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's Marina Shafir and Wheeler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were both on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, like as they were doing the closing credits, which for those who didn't know, the faces emerge victorious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Hiroshi Tanahashi, that poor guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for his knees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just on his very last legs at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the high fly flow, which he ended up, so he ended up securing the victory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It took him a while to even get up there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it had its moments again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd probably put it around that three and I hate coming off so down on the show because it's not like I'm sitting here hate watching it or there was a lot to enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when it just comes down to it, it's hard not to look at the previous paper view or, you know, revolution or double or nothing, just like it just it all kind of left me wanting a little bit, but that's not saying I am very curious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to see where things go from here with a lot of these guys, because obviously, Osprey could be out a year with this next surgery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Swerve could be out a while from the sounds of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Anova, AW, could be looking very different heading into the fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: before we get into that, I need your thoughts on two specific spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with the most gruesome one of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Moxley, gouging, Darby Allen's ear with the fork.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're in the middle of a blood feud, and especially considering some of the violence we saw between hangman and mox.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bring it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How can we go to a fork in the ear to gummy worms?

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were two different matches going on simultaneously in this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other one was Moxley escaping to the outside, Darby following him, then him coming back and Gabe Kid gets up to the top of the cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do a coffin drop from the top through the double tables.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that spot, I don't know about you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it was wicked looking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I loved all the stuff that felt like the unsectioned lights out match, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they've set this precedent for what this match should be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And only half of this match felt like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Darby definitely knew his role like you said you was him and the Death Riders were in the correct movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the the other the other six men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a more so than anything so some other highlights actually I enjoyed Jim Ross's commentary with or just saying that John Moxley was channeling and Abdullah the butcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Darby and all things just looks directly at him after he does that and he spits on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Claudia, by the way, threw Darby into the cage, which was one of one of the better spots of the night as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just took him into, it would have been something from like ECW, ninety seven when Bam Bam Bigel, though, through Spike Dudley into the audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's about how high Claudia threw Darby into that cage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then Claudio slamming Darby with him being on the chair after Moxley had been taped to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sorry for this in advance, Ryan Drasty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marina, look, she fear looking directly at Kenny Omega and saying, fuck you, Kenny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's my job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm supposed to curse on this pod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I chuckled it that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big story here, as I mentioned, Tana Hashi did get the win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The matchman about a half hour, I think it was thirty-one or so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You ran around thirty-two minutes or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big thing afterwards was the face is all exit the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Osprey salutes the crowd just because he's probably acknowledging he's going to be gone for a little while, having neck surgery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Claudio comes out of nowhere as a credits are rolling with the European uppercut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Moxley hits Will Osprey about with about four or five paradigm shifts and they do the signature chair spot which they did to him at all in by the way in the middle of that main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and just completely sidelining him or just putting him out to pasture in character terms for who knows how long this is gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something that Brian Daniels in his gone through, I believe Kurt Angle has gone through the same next surgery, so we'll see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned this on unplugged by the way, what from a face perspective, who steps up and tries to, like slide into these roles that will aspirin some of Strickland are gonna be vacating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they almost went from having too many many event baby faces to possibly not enough if Osprey and Swerver both going to be gone for a while, especially when you consider, you know, the death rioters, the young bucks, the ever growing Don Callis family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there is just a death of heels that feels like right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be looking at Darby having a bigger role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Briscoe having a bigger role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get to it, but, you know, considering what's going on, I'm kind of shocked at the way they brought Wardlow back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, you know, it's like this roster is so deep, though, like I have no concerns that somebody will be able to step up and not necessarily replace Osprey or Swarve, but at least fill the gap for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot replace those two men.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're half of your four pillars, who sort of mentioned in an interview that they are half of the four pillars along with the two men who wrestle for the AW World Heavyweight Championships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think another guy that could've been slotted into that role will talk about him later is now a champion, which is really cool to see Brody King.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I'm just, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the positive thing, I'll show you a role into the Hangman MJF match now, is that the championship is on a baby face, and the heel side right now is a lot stronger than the face side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're looking at some secondary guys, like, a well, a Darby's gonna have to be for now, the de facto number two baby face, and it likely will be because he's chasing John Moxley down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know about, and here's another thing, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Omega, what type of conditioning is he in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is he going to be a full-time guy right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to be a part-time person?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He looked far from a hundred percent in the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, obviously, you know, even seventy percent of Kenny Omega is better than the majority of every other wrestlers, one hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's part of the story, too, is the only reason that he came back, just like, well, Ospreys, because this was a quote unquote unsection match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's going to be interesting, man, somebody's going to have to step up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love you bringing up hangments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's just he just needs to carry even more of a load and to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to get into the next match, the most interesting thing coming out of the show is what's next for Hangman, considering he basically conquered the MJF thing for now, because obviously MJF still has his cash in contract, but any guesses as to who Hangman's going to be facing that all out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All out, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did make a prediction for full gear, who I think it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't hate that prediction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When we bought, we have a lot to talk about with that guest too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We most certainly do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll all elude to that a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really looking, it's not bare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did mention Ricochet at one point in time, but for him to not be on this show was a little bit telling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the zero hour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going, obviously, he might be having something else on his plate right now, considering what happened in the tag match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that, you also, that doesn't feel like a many, that real title match for all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it fills up to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got to move hangman from feuding with the deathwriters to Don Calis family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because there are a couple guys in that group who I think could make for a good man event match at one of their biggest shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you that would be the obvious choice right now, however, in October.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be going for the IWGP heavyweight championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to pat yourself on the back right now, Justin?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're pretty much calling this exact thing to happen right around this time last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't feel like I was alone where we're all huge to catch the fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice that seeing this play out in this way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope it gets it done, man, because it benefits A, W for to catch to be a big deal in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're talking to, I mean, we need to talk about the issues with forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but that could make it all the much better by having a big start to Kesha as the world champion of New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because a hangman to Kesha to make event it all out would be fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got to go hangman Okada for all out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not a unification match or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just got to be for Hangman's World Championship because I, you know, as scared as I can get for the baby faces, Hangman has got to be the world champion for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's no reason for them to be taken the world title off of him anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they can't screw up and have him feuding with guys who don't really feel like they're on the, maybe on the level of a many event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, wishing a speedy recovery to Adam Cole, but that really hurt, hey, man, the first time around in his first reign.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you got to go big here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to keep giving him heavy hitters to knock out of the park.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was great, really seen him take it to MJF there at the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crowd love that final buckshot layer it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you got to go with a big one, like, Ocaada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ending sequence, I'm gonna pull this up real quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I recall, was he hit him with the contract, hit him with the dead eye, and then the bookshot lary it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got two out of the three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds about right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know there was so much gag I going on in that match that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because we mentioned the heat seeker with the three count when the when the ref was down and just laid there and mark brisco coming out of all people which obviously I think that's they're going to go to mjf mark brisco at all out which would be it's going to be an entertaining contest they got up so low blow directly to the nuts once again as mjf was hugging brice remberg which by the way like hangman or mjf was trying to kick hangman's foot off and

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[SPEAKER_00]: the ref just so happens to get up and see it that's where we're just kind of going to oo this wasn't good because the match is a hole but it's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my only, excuse me, my only other nitpick is I wish they would have leaned in earlier on MJF trying to get the count out and DQ finishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just seems like they had their normal main event, style A, W match for twenty minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're like, all right, let's work in this stipulation into the match, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish they would have just done that sooner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The match definitely felt too long, but I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough in the year, twenty twenty five with the level that hangmen are in MJF or at to call it a bad match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just they try to do too much and they probably won a little too long, but they're still not to like just didn't really hit it out of the park for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in that ending sequence, like you just mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yep, it was contract to the head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Followed by that I buckshot Larry at three count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman retains here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what was like I said other than those probably five minutes or so when they were trying to play around with the stipulation of title conchains hands on account order of the qualification and it up being a solid contest between the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some fantastic sweating from MJF too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to give my show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they both led quite a bit too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, MJF did specifically with that corner spot when the top turn buckle was removed as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman's just not a good leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Never has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always had an issue with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that when he held up the title at all in, it's just everything was completely dried up at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm going to tie into one of the, I'm going to tie into this one here in a couple of sequences, because I did hint at that earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will tie into that a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go in reverse order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony storm retaining her women's championship over Athena and my favorite spots of the match by far were Athena whipping Tony storm into the LED board at going out and the Tony storm whipping her about five minutes later into the LED board and it comes right back on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fun match though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was surprised by the winner, but now I'm thinking to myself, Tony's going to go on a mega run for a little while here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think it only went about sixteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like you a little shocked as to how decisive the victory was, but Tony works from underneath the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was basically getting her ass kicked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Athena looked great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think when you just when you think about Mercedes Monet and Tony storm and honestly dude, Tony storm, I don't she's not my favorite women's wrestler right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's just my favorite wrestler right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's how good she is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's just she's locked in with this character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: her in-ring work is exceptional.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really dug this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, just the outside interference stuff kind of pulled me out of it, but I thought this is really, really terrific.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right person one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's all I got on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did get the main event wrong, and I got this one wrong, and everything else was very predictable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think even to the average professional wrestling fan here, and I don't really have much either, although I think I'll go out on a limb and I'll say, I won't steal this, but I did hear this yesterday from Ryan and Jeremy, is that they think that Athena might be the one to take the title away from Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I agree with that, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the way it should be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Athena is quite there as world champion quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mercedes ends up at some point being the one to take the title from Tony Storm, which I completely agree with at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there is going to be another contender within that time built up strong enough to even think of taking that title away from Tony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who yes is one of the two best characters in professional wrestling now by a wide margin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just, yeah, she's the best.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Love Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Casuchko caught us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're of Strickland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you mentioned sixteen minutes for the Tony Storm Athena match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything from the top two that match was anywhere between eleven and sixteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was going out of good pace, and then they had to do the epic, main events that went over thirty minutes and just kind of took the show way past the amount of time that probably should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two went over, like Seth, I think it was thirty one in thirty two for those as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okada and Swerve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt for who was in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this would be a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I'm kind of torn because obviously it came out that swers been dealing with a, is it a misgist hair?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like twenty nineteen or some shit kind of weird to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously it doesn't affect him enough to hurt his match quality considering the number of great matches he's had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was something missing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it could just be this is the start of something and you don't want to put all your eggs in the basket, you know, to kick things off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's kind of the same way with Athena and Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had a great match, but they left a lot of room for improvement in the next one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that's kind of where this match was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't really kick into the next gear until the very end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it got excellent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of just like Athena and Tony Storm, not surprised by the winner, but surprised by how decisive it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, Ocada worked that knee over the entire match, so they have the out for Swerve taking the L.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, again, still enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd still put it around that three and a half to three and three quarter star level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were definitely moments in this match where you could see that these guys do have another level of magic that they could touch into together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just didn't get to it on that night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that was odd to me was Don Callis on commentary when I thought everybody supposed to be banned from ringside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, on commentary, I'm kind of okay with that little loophole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And rest, I'm not going to nitpick that too much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and shout out, Swarve, where in the Mr. Terrific Gear from the new Superman movie, which I watched for a second time this weekend, absolutely love that movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still have you have to see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude, got to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially, is it as it move now to Max?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was the last weekend before school starts for my kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just bought it on Amazon because I really wanted to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's available in the theater, I might go see it on Labor Day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd say theater or I mean, it's got to be coming to Max relatively soon in your boat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll watch it for quote unquote free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great, three or four transition sequence between these guys at the very end, with I believe Swerve missing a house call and transitioning directly into one rainmaker of all things to end this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, and I don't hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's important for big matches with main eventters to end with one finishing maneuver.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't need a thousand kickouts every match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I completely agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say this though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Billy Stark selling the storm zero for about five minutes on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah, why can't there be more of that when it comes to the finish?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, moving up the ladder, this one was interesting to say the least the triple threat or the, yeah, it was the three way for the AW tag team championships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Hertz Indicate taking on FTR and Bro Ditto, which ended up being another solid match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little bit confused with the inclusion of Ricochet and the gates of agony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to take out hurt syndicate in this in a way through me for a loop and how go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've been teasing it a little bit on on television with MJF going to Ricochet and stuff and obviously there is history between Ricochet and the hurts syndicate because when they first showed up Ricochet I think kind of insinuated that he wanted to join and they turned him down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there is history there but

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[SPEAKER_02]: got damn this this was heading towards match of the night for me and as soon as they showed up the matches completely fell apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ending.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In your preview, this was one of the things that you were spot on, is that you were talking, because you said FTR, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you thought they were going to beat Brodito, but also I guess at that time, you were under the impression it was going to be in elimination match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's how I saw it online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Multiple people had said it was supposed to be in elimination match and not this fatal three way that they've just been doing since the inception.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously the rumors have been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The hurts in the can't don't want to lose or don't want to lose to certain people or whatever all that is about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know like, fix and span and some other people were just absolutely losing their shit, calling for the Hertz and it get to be fired because they wouldn't eat the pen in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, man, if I had to like put money on it, I think my guess would be this was a, you know, Tony Khan call, not a Hertz and it could call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's probably protecting his investment in Bobby Lashley right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: think it can be saved by, you know, fuck, just do the tag team match it all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brodydovers hurts and to get let them get a clean victory over from or something like I think it's salvageable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just not all that bent out of shape about the hurt syndicate not being involved in the finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do think at some point, Brodydo need to beat them, but I'm okay with it not happening here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, love this match, absolutely fucking fall apart at the end, loved Brodito getting the win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Huge fan of both those guys, um, excited to see where it goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, and this, I guess this was the one time I was a little shocked that Brodito won, just because you would assume with, uh, cope kind of feuding with FTR and you assume the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The final destination for that is a tag title match against FTR, which is what you alluded to in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, you would think that would be the end game with the tag titles that go in from herd syndicate to FTR to cope and Christian.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, as much as the ending bunged me out, I'm still excited to see where we're going here and talking about maybe where MJF goes from here, you know, does he feud, you can keep feud with Mark Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's obviously still some stuff going on here with the hurts and to get who, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: talking about Brodito needing to get a win over them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're sure being displayed as baby faces, which they get baby face reactions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't necessarily know quite how that dynamic works.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I still love the Hertz indicate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love their presentation as fucking cool as hell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They look like bad asses coming out with their hats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to see where it's going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brody King is a tag team champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bandito is a tag team champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: LFG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thankful I was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted that's the team I wanted to ultimately win and they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't think they would pull the trigger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, the way they won it was just sloppy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Reft stops his count the rotation on Bandido's flip which had worked the other three times at Brody connected Didn't fall through so the Reft counted essentially twice For Bandido to pick up the pin and and get the win and then the chair shot from cash we learned a Brody king.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was wicked

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got smoked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so yeah finish it off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you agree with me that that's probably more of a Tony con call than it is a hurt syndicate you know Power struggle or meaning

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think based on the way the locker room has been over the last year, yeah, I think this is a Tony Con call.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like backstage morale for AW over the last ever since Phil Brooks left the promotion has just been improving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Leaps and bounds and you really haven't heard anything about any dissension and people refusing to job a bunch of that doesn't work for me brothers with like FTR as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that there's the occasional scuddle but that they refused to job to certain people but they were more than willing to put over Brody King in Bandito this evening or last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I guess the only curious thing is why MVP wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Curious if that is going to play into.

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[SPEAKER_02]: them losing, maybe they blame him for not being there, or that they're gonna play it off as to why that's why they lost.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, just very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we gotta rewind just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wardlow showing up at the end of Swirvo Cata.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did I omit that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a little disappointed in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, for one, like we talked about,

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[SPEAKER_02]: AW kind of needs some baby faces right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wardlow was a great baby face when he broke away from MJF.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know he can do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And frankly, his AEW career has been a little bit of a faction poison.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was in the pinnacle, that fellow part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was in whatever was that the undisputed kingdom or whatever that shit was that fellow part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously he got injured and

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[SPEAKER_02]: But so they just throw them into another faction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, to me, it immediately loses some of the luster of him coming back throwing them with the Don Calus family, which I'm very much enjoying the Don Calus family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think right now it's the best it's ever, ever has been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But gosh, I just would have preferred something different for him, especially since he didn't even touch swerve, you know, he didn't even just power bomb the security guys and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yep, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with, you know, listening to the bleacher report, Ryan's co-host Jeremy said, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: This kind of his last chance, you know, obviously it's Tony Collin, the book and everything, but for him to be something, they gotta do something this time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm, again, curious to see where things are going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His last match was a world title loss to Samoa Joe on March the thirteenth of two thousand and twenty four, the same night that Mercedes made her debut with the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have much prefer to see Wardlow in a baby face role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, where's he going to fit in with Don Calis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's already a ton of muscle there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He stared down to Keshita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So does that mean to Keshita?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he starts to kind of pull the trigger on a baby face turn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is like the opening segment of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things that you just have to wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, I'm not sure I buy Wardlow as a heal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's just some of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if his

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[SPEAKER_02]: his face or his aura, he just, I don't know, he just screams baby face monster to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So good luck to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they pull it off and, you know, I hope he finds his footing, but cash, I'm just not all that optimistic about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could totally get lost in in that faction because we got a guy we're going to talk about here towards the very end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did mention hangman challengers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I threw this out on unplugged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said Bobby Lashay would be a good opponent for MJF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a full gear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Go from hangman or caught it to hangman Lashley, but that's some good stuff right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you build a baby face champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the one thing I do believe that is going to be a positive from Swerve and Osprey leaving the promotion for a little bit is Hangman has a clear path to be the guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the one that you put your biggest villains against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Saber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nigel McGinnis, Excalibur saying the greatest rock and roll band of all time is Oasis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, can't agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, come on, Excalibur.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, let's be real here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nigel with the entrance and playing chess with Johnny St in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, loved all of both of their entrances.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This felt big to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wish it maybe been put on later in the show, you know, have my WGP champion in the middle of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think kind of heard it a little bit and

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked it because this match felt so different from everything else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so great seeing Nigel out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like one of those things where

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[SPEAKER_02]: You never know if this could be the last time we see Nigel McGinnis wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of has that feeling to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just very special to see these two going at it in their home country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I dug this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was anything special.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, just good old fashioned grabs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know Nigel was forty nine years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you just like forty three or forty four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I wouldn't have guessed that old either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked up his cage match day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just, he looks younger than that to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in great shape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Taking care of himself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Looks good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tremendous stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good technical wrestling pieces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of surprising.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your Garcia didn't pull the turn here and I was okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saved that for TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of down on Danny Garcia right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just hold off on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people were swerved a little bit by him coming out with a towel, maybe expecting a, you know, a Owen Hart moment from Survivor Series here, but that didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's fine by me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to give the New Japan World Champion a clean victory on this quote unquote, you know, shared show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of a handful of new Japan performers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one CMLL performer, which we're going to get to in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then one startup performer, which is the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that in a moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But outside of that, there was probably a half dozen people from New Japan, which we talked about earlier for Bittendor's likely going to be coming to an end here, I think, very, very soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got to come up with a new hook for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause obviously I think there's two big issues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One is that New Japan is not near as hard as they were the first time they did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all the guys who are big then are either gone or retiring like nighto and Tana Hashi or they're in AEW with Osprey and Okada and Jay White.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, New Japan is trying to build themselves back up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to feel lesser when that's the case, but also it's just like unlike the first time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We see these guys come in and pop up with surprise appearances all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Issues on AW television all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they need to do something different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My idea was do it in Mexico next time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Make CM LL a bigger part of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: try, um, of promotions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, I don't know, you gotta, I'm not, it's not someone going to get been out of shape over, but something's got to change with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this, this show essentially has just been a wrestling showcase for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was like one of the first times in a while, ashes might have been the first time where there was true circumstances to most of the matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, it's four of an Osprey at one point in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd rumored it to be Swerve and Yoda Suji, but they just felt that it'd be better off for an Osprey, but I think wanted to come in and put Swerve over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On this like in, you know, no shooter on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you know, you know, just seemed like there were some big names missing here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, and maybe it'll all change in a year, maybe to cash to solidify himself as a big new Japan name, maybe Gabe Kid levels up, you know, there's ways that this could feel different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would lean into the Mexico aspect of it for Ferdinandore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: hundred percent and the g one will not be the week before this event next year either that'll help big time that'll help big time yeah I would yeah I would just lean into the location of it all for forbidden door yeah I have a fun Mexico city in that arena just especially for that that dynamite we saw one of my favorites of the year absolutely

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fatal this was a fatal for way with four representatives from promotions in Mercedes, Monet defending the TBS title against Alex Windsor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bo Zilla, I'll get into her in a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know the lineage until it was mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have a horrible time pronounce this woman's name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm right there with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you attempted it not me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was calling her by the wrong name my entire unplugged show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go, oh man, I have not done that in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a foregone conclusion though that Mercedes Monet was going to win this Brittany great to see you in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for popping up in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bozilla is the daughter and this is where I get to use my ECW knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all of Herman, he was in ECW for about six months and late nineteen ninety eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like six, six, six, seven, two hundred and eighty pounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just brought in as enhancement talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him watching him wrestle RBD a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, his daughter Bozilla put on a pretty decent performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only twenty one years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Helia, yeah, she was the highlight of this match for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Perfectly acceptable match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it was anything special, but considering fatal four ways, I thought it was laid out really well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bozilla was the highlight back in time to happen when you really have no knowledge of a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the first time I've ever seen her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Got a lot of Vader vibes, which I absolutely loved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was a monster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, just this was just fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this was just a fun little match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was again, no surprise Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew she was going over here next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one might have been my favorite match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Kyle Fletcher Hiromotaka Hashie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're in a grants with me, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kyle flat your dude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the fucking man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wrestles like him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, Ryan and Jeremy brought up that he has a little bit of a reputation for getting people hurt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But God damn, do I love the way that dude wrestles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything feels so crisp and legit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, to get that kind of match out, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Taka Hashis Prime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is passed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is not what he once was, but that dude can still go in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's good enough to know where he's supposed to be at all times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just, yeah, man, I dug this one way more than I thought I would going into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are playing this Kyle Fletcher progression perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just let him keep putting on banger matches on paper views against legit talent and

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think a year and a half, you might have yourself a legit manufacturer because he's like, he's not perfect yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He still has some character stuff to figure out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He can't just be the guy with the dresses kind of weird with the funny sunglasses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's got to be more to him than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But God damn, I, you'll be hard pressed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for anybody I regularly enjoy more in-ring than Kyle Fletcher and I'd also probably put Mark Brisco in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fletcher had his suplex reversed on the apron into a D&A from Hiromu, then he came off the ropes and did a sunset with a power bomb that looked like it hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Danielson, which we didn't mention, was on commentary for most of this, was putting over Kyle Fletcher immensely, calling him the fastest rising star in AEW in a future world heavyweight champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought all night long Danielson was just making small points of simple moves and all of that makes it goes a long ways in educating fans, getting you more invested in the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: even like it was a small stuff like they were talking about how like watch the way that Kyle Fletcher does his body slams in the snappy puts into it's like I love those little details I thought the commentary like there were people kind of jumping in and out all night but I thought commentary was

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[SPEAKER_02]: really good on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For what I caught obviously, you know, I fucking prime missed ninety percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like two there was an instance where Fletcher hit Hiromu with a twisting tombstone and he got like a two and a half and Daniels and says, well, he left a left a little bit of space on Hiromu's left shoulder and didn't get the full impact of the move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just again, simple little things just to kind of point out that yeah, this is why the match didn't end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fletcher ends up winning it with a sheer drop brain buster directly in the center of the ring for the three count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think going back that might be to match the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was probably the the most predictable match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Easily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is ESJ over Nigel McGinnis, those two, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the one we're going to talk about to close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The return of Adam Copeland and Christian Cage is a tag team defeating Kip Sabian and Kill Switch or Luchasaurus, which the crowd was chanting for Luchasaurus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that they were at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was just a lot of singing and a lot of Gaga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna ask you this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From an Adam Copeland perspective, he's starting to remind me, and I'm gonna steal this a little bit from somebody online of J.U.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all entrants in minimal wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just because Copeland's a little bit older.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know if I want to put them into that box, but I know what you're trying to say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was fine for what it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the real money is in Copeland Christian being heels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is how they've always been at their best, whether it be his tag team or singles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I understand why you don't probably want to do that right away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This, this was fine, you know, it was nice seeing Kip have his, have his moment, uh, luchessourous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, my guess from that video package was brought back to life by Jack Perry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see if that actually plays out, possibly a reunion between those two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, fine way to start the show, nothing special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping they end up with a reunion with those two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when they were at their best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I rejuvenate the tag team division again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's forbidden door in a nutshell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Woo!

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got about two minutes left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dad, we are just awful at not going long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are fucking always like forty five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's we'll be good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we always go long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did a once double or nothing this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We I think we kept that one like forty five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one we just were we're just right at that hour mark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything else you want to say before we close the forbidden door talk?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know if I wanted to bring it up or touch on it, but the Roger Jackson stuff is pretty deplorable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't recommend anybody watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't seen it, maybe you have a weak stomach, but he takes advantage of a knocked-out wrestler and fucking pummelism until people pull him off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he's still trying to go off after this absolutely defenseless human being who apparently you know and what the other wrestler thought was part of the angle hit raja before this and then there's video before the incident of another wrestler tear telling jackson that he's got to go out there and give that wrestler his receipt and that is not a receipt

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[SPEAKER_02]: a receipt is like a one for one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the, you know, the thing about wrestling is like number one, it's about making money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Number two, it's being able to make the next show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about taking care of the person across from me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, I

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[SPEAKER_02]: I fake wrestle my son all the time and I always have to remind was like we're not actually trying to hurt each other but we're putting on a show we had to take care of each other you know that's what makes it cool that makes that's what makes it fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's all sorts of rumors out there as to what happened with Jackson and why he did what he did, but it's pretty fucking despicable if you ask me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And thank God, Bressor's ran out there because from the looks of it, he wasn't going to stop hitting that guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And best wishes to psychosid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he makes it not, you know, obviously not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the sad justice that we all associate psychosid with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, best wishes to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hope makes full recovery and everything's okay.

01:00:00.852 --> 01:00:08.056
[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, that is not what it recites beating the shit out of your opponent because they hit you once.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hundred percent true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think one thing that I hear the Sandman Jim Follington say all the time is, yeah, if it happens once, you just, you stiff him back and say, we're even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let it then then it just rolls along from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what a train MMA fighter and uneducated MMA fighter unfortunately didn't know or maybe he knew who the heck knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, now details are going to come out as as this story and roles and we'll probably might even talk about that this coming weekend because that's yeah, it's very, very tough to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to touch on it because of the whole receipt thing, which I think they're going to use that as a defense and it absolutely should not be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially, you know, whoever told him to do that, you can't be doing that to somebody who's not actually a professional wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they could truly grasp what that means.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, that does not defend what Jackson did at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hundred percent doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we are all good there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anything else you want to talk about, Justin, for we get out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gotta hate to end on such a bummer, but I feel good, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we hit everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to see what's coming up with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, we hold on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a whole another hour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's review heat wave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not fucking watching that shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about Ricky Saints going face to face with Oberfemi at the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, exciting.

01:01:52.012 --> 01:01:53.793
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Ricky, Starks, the glory days.

01:01:53.873 --> 01:01:54.674
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss him already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, goodness gracious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for all of your support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, chat.

01:02:04.259 --> 01:02:07.020
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we just kind of popped up on a Monday night.

01:02:07.140 --> 01:02:12.403
[SPEAKER_00]: We were going to Ryan did not want to go multiple like seven to nine hours straight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He started school today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't blame him there either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The shoot job has now begun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We might be back this weekend for, I believe it's WWE's Clash and App Paris.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But outside of that, if we are not, have a wonderful remainder of your weekend Labor Day weekend here in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Best of luck to your child going back to school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have been interrupted for one last thing, which is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did remove the California school that was involved in this incident yesterday from the WWE ID program.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really, just like since the incident happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did, yes, that did happen earlier this afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Brittany, thank you for pointing that out for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Always.

01:03:08.904 --> 01:03:14.786
[SPEAKER_00]: And that has been episode three hundred and ninety four of top prop nation for just enjoying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm dressed up Alaska as we will see you very very soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.

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[UNKNOWN]: We got one.

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[UNKNOWN]: We got one.